Do You Love Me Peter

[BillG]

Consider that Peter denied Christ THREE TIMES when confronted by the Jews............. Christ posed His question THREE TIMES to Peter........ Not a coincidence IMO........

I agree with you.

Not sure what the coincidence is though.

Peter denied Jesus out of fear and weaknesses.

Part of me wonders if his response to Jesus asking him if he loved him whether he felt guilty.

After all just before the arrest of Jesus we see Peter saying

Matthew 26:35
35 “No!” Peter insisted. “Even if I have to die with you, I will never deny you!” And all the other disciples vowed the same.

Luke 22:31-34
Jesus Predicts Peter’s Denial
Luke 22:31-34; cp. Matt 26:31-35 // Mark 14:27-31; cp. John 13:36-38
31 “Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift each of you like wheat.
32 But I have pleaded in prayer for you, Simon, that your faith should not fail. So when you have repented and turned to me again, strengthen your brothers.”
33 Peter said, “Lord, I am ready to go to prison with you, and even to die with you.”
34 But Jesus said, “Peter, let me tell you something. Before the rooster crows tomorrow morning, you will deny three times that you even know me.”

I don't think Peters faith failed, just his love.
His love then moved from Phileo to Agape.

 

[BillG]

Another way of saying "forgiven".

Would you mind expanding for me please.

 

[garee]

Would you mind expanding for me please.

Thanks I can try,

We can like Peter deny Christ in unbelief. But because he cannot deny him self .He and the father having finished all the work needed for a our salvation . He calls us to return or reinstate in order to establish in us the first labor of His love. The first experience of His Spirit working in us giving us His understanding to beleive. and not that of our own self. (faithless)

A call or work of repentance comfort. . the chastening of the Lord.

One not accustomed or familiar with hearing the voice of another not seen. Hearing it it turns a person towards the voice who in turn works with the master to both will and do the good pleasure. (Phil 2:12-13)

The word of God that is foreign to us causes us to turn . Two turning or works of repentance. He does the first work moving to to work with him giving us ear to hear . Having been turn we can plow ahead plant the seed.

Jeremiah 31:18 I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the Lord my God.
Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth.

 

[tourist]

Proof positive that love is the essence of the Greatest Commandments.

I concur with your estimation. Glad to have you onboard with us. Welcome to CC.

 

[garee]

I agree with you.

Not sure what the coincidence is though.

Peter denied Jesus out of fear and weaknesses.

Part of me wonders if his response to Jesus asking him if he loved him whether he felt guilty.

After all just before the arrest of Jesus we see Peter saying

Matthew 26:35
35 “No!” Peter insisted. “Even if I have to die with you, I will never deny you!” And all the other disciples vowed the same.

Luke 22:31-34
Jesus Predicts Peter’s Denial
Luke 22:31-34; cp. Matt 26:31-35 // Mark 14:27-31; cp. John 13:36-38
31 “Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift each of you like wheat.
32 But I have pleaded in prayer for you, Simon, that your faith should not fail. So when you have repented and turned to me again, strengthen your brothers.”
33 Peter said, “Lord, I am ready to go to prison with you, and even to die with you.”
34 But Jesus said, “Peter, let me tell you something. Before the rooster crows tomorrow morning, you will deny three times that you even know me.”

I don't think Peters faith failed, just his love.
His love then moved from Phileo to Agape.

The faith of Christ that was in Peter's earthen body did not fail .Peter denied the power to both will and perform the good work of God. And rather did the will of the flesh .He was forgiven

 

[Benadam]

Part of me wonders if his response to Jesus asking him if he loved him whether he felt guilty.

After all just before the arrest of Jesus we see Peter saying

Matthew 26:35
35 “No!” Peter insisted. “Even if I have to die with you, I will never deny you!” And all the other disciples vowed the same.

Somewhere it says Jesus learned obedience. Obedience unto death is a threshold of obedience. Remember Jesus saying He came to die. He spoke His death yet at the hour He asked for it to not happen. Peter and the others aren't yet ready to back up their words. But they all face their own hours obediently. I dont know if guilt was involved.

 

[BillG]

The faith of Christ that was in Peter's earthen body did not fail .Peter denied the power to both will and perform the good work of God. And rather did the will of the flesh .He was forgiven

I agree. He was forgiven.

I do think his faith failed because he denied Jesus, but not to the extent unbelief.
But we know Jesus knew he would be restored because of his faith.

I think he was not aware at the time when he denied Jesus concerning to performing the good work of God until Jesus told him to feed his sheep.

 

[BillG]

Somewhere it says Jesus learned obedience. Obedience unto death is a threshold of obedience. Remember Jesus saying He came to die. He spoke His death yet at the hour He asked for it to not happen. Peter and the others aren't yet ready to back up their words. But they all face their own hours obediently. I dont know if guilt was involved.

Hello pleased to meet you.

I proffered guilt as a possibility.

One thing we do know is that Peter died for Jesus.
Phileo to Agape.

 

[Relic]

Thankyou so much for this. Was listening to this chapter today, & challenged ‘do I love Him, am I feeding His sheep’?...I often need this kind of humbling exhortation...every time I look at Jesus, I think ‘I cant get my head around His teaching-you can’t put Him in a box’ He’s so radical 🙏

Thanks for that comment and continuation on the journey to our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Relic]

Another way of saying "forgiven".

That was not my comment, it is directly from scripture from several different bibles.
Thanks for comment, God bless you.

 

[Relic]

Consider that Peter denied Christ THREE TIMES when confronted by the Jews............. Christ posed His question THREE TIMES to Peter........ Not a coincidence IMO........

Agreed and amen.

 

[Reformyourself]

Thanks for that comment and continuation on the journey to our Lord Jesus Christ.

After I became a Christian in 1998, I was still ‘struggling’ with sinful tendencies. I carried on drinking for another 16 years.

I’ve only ever dreamed about Jesus twice. The first time, He appeared and stopped me sinning in my tracks. I never saw His face, he was just present...
I stopped drinking six years ago. The second time I dreamed of Him was Shortly after.
I was in a pub eating and drinking to excess, then waiting for Jesus to arrive in an anti-room. There were three black dogs in the room with me & when I got up, one of the dogs jumped on my chair. Jesus entered, walked past, and entered a room. It was full of children waiting for Him. He closed the door behind Him. I didn’t see His face, but it was Jesus. I was outside with the dogs-(revelation 22:15)
He passed me by...
People say that it’s a sin to not accept that Jesus paid for our sins. I accepted His sacrifice in 1998.
I was outside. He passed me by & shut me out 😔

 

[garee]

I agree. He was forgiven.

I do think his faith failed because he denied Jesus, but not to the extent unbelief.
But we know Jesus knew he would be restored because of his faith.

I think he was not aware at the time when he denied Jesus concerning to performing the good work of God until Jesus told him to feed his sheep.

Yes to the extent of unbelief, foolish, no God in ones heart. Unbelief is the opposite of faith. Not doubt

Christ's faith that works in us could never fail . It is what we defend .Not as if it came from us. We put the armor on and keep it on .

When Peter like the foolish (no god in their heart) Galatians denied Christ The Lord called him back over and over giving them the strength to return Again as he works in them with them to both will and do His good pleasure. If we repent we are comforted . He cannot deny himself.

 

[garee]

That was not my comment, it is directly from scripture from several different bibles.
Thanks for comment, God bless you.

To reinstate is to restore (someone or something) to their former position or condition: Peter was simply forgiven over and over

 

[Prycejosh1987]

17 The third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?”

Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.”

Jesus said, “Feed my sheep.

I think Jesus was giving Peter retribution, for denying him 3 times. God has to be fair, and would judge Peter on his denial if Jesus didnt address it, Jesus was also making a point about as to what it is to truly love him. Caring for his people, Sheep and Lambs.

 

[BillG]

I think Jesus was giving Peter retribution, for denying him 3 times. God has to be fair, and would judge Peter on his denial if Jesus didnt address it, Jesus was also making a point about as to what it is to truly love him. Caring for his people, Sheep and Lambs.

Not sure I agree concerning retribution.

I think the 3rd concourse was reafirming Peter knowing he would move from Phileo to Agape. Peters love for Jesus was Phileo all 3 times.

Jesus asked twice do you Agape me? Then the third time do you Phileo me.
Peter gets upset and Jesus says go feed my sheep.

 

[SoulWeaver]

I do have one problem with the OP............ and that is this statement that "Jesus REINSTATES Peter"

Are you suggesting that Peter was LOST UNTIL Jesus spoke in the verses 15 thru 17?

The "reinstates" is curious language in my opinion

Reinstating may be the right choice if we are referring to office or calling that Jesus prepared for Peter.
By denying Jesus three times, Peter temporarily ran away from his calling or office in church, to be a steadfast leader in faith, that Jesus declared for him when He named him Cephas.
Jesus does reinstate him on this occasion in entrusting him again with taking care of the church.

 

[BillG]

Reinstating may be the right choice if we are referring to office or calling that Jesus prepared for Peter.
By denying Jesus three times, Peter temporarily ran away from his calling or office in church, to be a steadfast leader in faith, that Jesus declared for him when He named him Cephas.
Jesus does reinstate him on this occasion in entrusting him again with taking care of the church.

John 1:42
42 And he brought him to Jesus.
Now when Jesus looked at him, He said, “You are Simon the son of Jonah. You shall be called Cephas” (which is translated, A Stone).

I think for me I do not believe Peter was reinstated.
For me given the above Jesus gives him the new name which can be translated as stone or rock.

I don't think Peter knew at the time what Jesus meant and that was his calling.
I think he realised that when Jesus said to feed my sheep.

So he has not run away from his calling when his name was changed because he did not know his calling but then run for his calling when he knew he was called to do it.

I hope I make some sense here.

 

[SoulWeaver]

John 1:42
42 And he brought him to Jesus.
Now when Jesus looked at him, He said, “You are Simon the son of Jonah. You shall be called Cephas” (which is translated, A Stone).

I think for me I do not believe Peter was reinstated.
For me given the above Jesus gives him the new name which can be translated as stone or rock.

I don't think Peter knew at the time what Jesus meant and that was his calling.
I think he realised that when Jesus said to feed my sheep.

So he has not run away from his calling when his name was changed because he did not know his calling but then run for his calling when he knew he was called to do it.

I hope I make some sense here.

Okay, I see what you're saying.