Is YOUR church doctrinal statement ONE with SATAN?

[biker]

And we wonder why we're under the judgement of God. SMH
KJV doubters this is exactly the type of "scholarly" people who TAUGHT God's people that their bibles are full of errors. Nobody ever read the bible and said "oh this is a mistake, my bible has errors in it" everybody who believes that was TAUGHT to believe it.

How do you explain this, though?


PAY SPECIFIC ATTENTION TO VERSE 7:

From the KJV:
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.


Now, look at verse 7 in the Aramaic, the Greek, the Latin Vulgate which are all at least 1,100 years OLDER than and written BEFORE the KJV:

1 John 5:6-8
Aramaic:
ܗܢܘ ܕܐܬܐ ܒܝܕ ܡܝܐ ܘܕܡܐ ܝܫܘܥ ܡܫܝܚܐ ܠܐ ܗܘܐ ܒܡܝܐ ܒܠܚܘܕ ܐܠܐ ܒܡܝܐ ܘܕܡܐ
6 This is The One who came by means of The Water and The Blood; Eshu Meshikha {Yeshua, The Anointed One}. It wasn't of The Water alone, but rather, by The Water and The Blood.

ܘܪܘܚܐ ܡܣܗܕܐ ܕܗܝ ܪܘܚܐ ܐܝܬܝܗ ܫܪܪܐ
7 And The Rukha {The Spirit} testifies; because that One, The Rukha {The Spirit}, is The Truth.

ܘܐܝܬܝܗܘܢ ܬܠܬܐ ܣܗܕܝܢ ܪܘܚܐ ܘܡܝܐ ܘܕܡܐ ܘܬܠܬܝܗܘܢ ܒܚܕ ܐܢܘܢ
8 And there are three testifying: The Rukha {The Spirit}, and The Water, and The Blood. And these three are in One.
^
nowhere is the Father-Son-Holy Spirit listed like the English add in.


Greek:
6 This is He Who is coming through water and blood and spirit - Jesus Christ - not in the water only, but in the water and in the blood. And the spirit it is which is testifying, for the spirit is the truth,
7 seeing that three there are that are testifying,
8 the spirit, and the water, and the blood, and the three are for the one thing."
^
nowhere is the Father-Son-Holy Spirit listed like the English add in.


Latin Vulgate:
6 hic est qui venit per aquam et sanguinem Iesus Christus non in aqua solum sed in aqua et sanguine et Spiritus est qui testificatur quoniam Christus est veritas

This is he that came by water and blood, Jesus Christ: not by water only but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit which testifieth that Christ is the truth.

7 quia tres sunt qui testimonium dant

And there are Three who give testimony

8 Spiritus et aqua et sanguis et tres unum sunt

the spirit and the water and the blood. And these three are one.
^
nowhere is the Father-Son-Holy Spirit listed like the English add in.


If these Manuscripts came before the KJV, why doesn't the KJV say specifically the same thing from what it was translated from?




In verse 7, the older versions do not mention Heaven/Father/Son/Holy Spirit like the KJV.

So, if the KJV was using these to translate from, how did the KJV writers come up with Heaven/Father/Son/Holy Spirit when the OLDER versions do not mention anything of the sort?

 

[jaybo]

Abortion is not provided for in the Constitution. Just what did they teach you in school anyway? Anything about the Constitution?

You really have drunk deep of the kool aid.

The left's only agenda is grab power any ole way you can and get rid of Trump because we cannot blackmail him into doing our will because he does not have roots in government and has not soiled himself like the rest of us.

Do you know anything about Communism? People should not have ownership, nor should they take away, what others have worked for or even inherited. Just take away all the means people have to defend their lives and property and bingo...you have Communism which is like a pyramid scheme with only the elitists, for example Nancy and Chuckie, on the top and the base a broad base of workers with no rights other than obedience. (note: a very light rendering of the operation the leftists would like to evolve this country into)

It seems to be a little late for your education now though.

I have a Master's degree and am in the top 1% of general intelligence. I have been been a Christian for many years, read the Bible daily, pray daily, and speak in tongues. I was an elder in my church for years until I retired. I have lived through a lot and have always stood on the side of human rights, just as Jesus did. I know a lot about Communism, socialism capitalism, and other economic systems. Of these systems, the one that comes the closest to the Bible teachings is communism: holding everything in common, to be used proportionally for the benefit of all.

It is apparent to me that you know nothing about Communism. That's especially apparent when you include Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer. You are just writing unfounded political propaganda, a favorite tactic of the Right.

I will not respond any longer to your extremely biased, irrational posts, based on ignorance instead of facts.

 

[jaybo]

I used the History Channel that is fact-based and non-biased.

The History Channel? Ha Ha ha ha ha!!!

 

[jaybo]

And we wonder why we're under the judgement of God. SMH
KJV doubters this is exactly the type of "scholarly" people who TAUGHT God's people that their bibles are full of errors. Nobody ever read the bible and said "oh this is a mistake, my bible has errors in it" everybody who believes that was TAUGHT to believe it.

Ha ha ha. The KJV is full of errors; just admit it.

 

[biker]

The History Channel? Ha Ha ha ha ha!!!

The History Channel I am not able to edit like wiki. Therefore, it is more credible than wiki because not just anyone has access to it.

 

[lenna]

I have a Master's degree and am in the top 1% of general intelligence. I have been been a Christian for many years, read the Bible daily, pray daily, and speak in tongues. I was an elder in my church for years until I retired. I have lived through a lot and have always stood on the side of human rights, just as Jesus did. I know a lot about Communism, socialism capitalism, and other economic systems. Of these systems, the one that comes the closest to the Bible teachings is communism: holding everything in common, to be used proportionally for the benefit of all.

It is apparent to me that you know nothing about Communism. That's especially apparent when you include Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer. You are just writing unfounded political propaganda, a favorite tactic of the Right.

I will not respond any longer to your extremely biased, irrational posts, based on ignorance instead of facts.

Yes? I don't know who you are. I can only learn about you from your posts and saying things like abortion is a Constitutional right, does not bode well for the education you received that appeared to leave out the actual Constitution.

I am not impressed by 'tongues' either because I have been unimpressed by those who speak in tongues to the point where I wish they would just get alone with God and ask Him if they have 'the real thing'. I guess you think I should be impressed with all your achievements, but again, I can only go by what you have posted.

If you no longer care to respond to what I post, that's fine, but I suspect it is because you cannot actually refute the truth regarding the KKK and Trump's father's supposed connection to the KKK (which has been proven to be false) as well as the leftist agenda.

I have 0 respect for liars which means I have 0 respect for Nancy, Chuckie and the other folks in that party who could not string together two sentences of actual truth.

Again, I just go by what people post and your accusations are meaningless to me and probably others who have questioned you on your lack of credible evidence for what you post. Sometimes the kitchen gets hot and if it is too hot, then perhaps seek out some AC

 

[lenna]

There is nothing in the Bible about performing medically-necessary surgery to save a woman's life. All life is precious to God, including the Mother's. Many children were destroyed under God's orders, or did you forget that?

The Bible freed people from being under the Law if they have been born of the Spirit.

The Constitution guarantees personal freedoms; it doesn't give the Federal government the right to dictate a woman's choice of health care (or any other right). It's supposed to be a free country.

If there is no more law, then there are no consequences. Read Revelation. There seems to be consequences.

Abortion is not a freedom nor is it a right. Is an unborn baby an insect of some kind? You refer to God instructing the Israelites to kill children. Was there a reason for that? Did it perhaps have something to do with the demonic nations around them?

Free country. Right. So then God should just ignore the sin that is leading to judgement and all the ripped apart babies that are tossed out like garbage. We should also then ignore all police who are violent and murderous and in fact, if you choose to loot and kill, it's ok because this is a free country.

Which church were you an elder in that you believe such lies and are fallen into deception to believe abortion is ok with God?

 

[biker]

I have a Master's degree and am in the top 1% of general intelligence. I have been been a Christian for many years, read the Bible daily, pray daily, and speak in tongues. I was an elder in my church for years until I retired. I have lived through a lot and have always stood on the side of human rights, just as Jesus did. I know a lot about Communism, socialism capitalism, and other economic systems. Of these systems, the one that comes the closest to the Bible teachings is communism: holding everything in common, to be used proportionally for the benefit of all.

It is apparent to me that you know nothing about Communism. That's especially apparent when you include Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer. You are just writing unfounded political propaganda, a favorite tactic of the Right.

I will not respond any longer to your extremely biased, irrational posts, based on ignorance instead of facts.

Are you trying to say, you're Book Smart but don't have much common sense?

I can tell by your answers you go off memory, which unrealistically enables a higher IQ. I can also tell your answers are from someone else's thoughts. This alerts me that Discernment and Common Sense you weren't blessed with.

Do you have a Psychological Disorder like Aspergers, maybe a deeper form of Autism?

 

[fredoheaven]

Fred the KJV translators didn't know which way to go with many of the things they translated but the words that ended up in scripture are ones God intended on being there. The translators were just earthly vessels used by God to pen the translations, they weren't the authors. They were the penman, just like the original writers were only penman and not authors.

God's will gets done no matter who does the writing.

Hi KJV1611 and good morning here from the Philippines,

Umm, this may sound good why the KJV has its Marginal Notes, however, the KJV as indicated, in the marginal note with a mark of a ‘parallel lines’ ║ and with corresponding ‘or’ simply means it is to be an “alternative” reading and the meaning of this alternative reading is not as supposed to be an “interchange” but rather “a statement or offer of two things of which maybe either agreed to but not both”. Of two things: such that one or the other thing maybe be chosen, the choice of either involving the rejection of the other.” That is the reason why I am on the emphasis of ‘final analysis’. This is what the very definition of the Alternative reading as used prior to the KJV translation or as commonly used on the late 16 CE. (see The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary p.54). The supposed definition of ‘interchange’ or the ‘remaining course’ of which is what I am reading and understanding from you is a post KJV definition. So we may seeing a different view.

True the KJV translators were never the authors of the Bible, they were only instruments to give light what is hidden to the many people especially on the English-speaking world. Well, I just don’t believe that the KJV translators are ignorant of such thing in translating the Greek word anothen in John 3:3 and 7.

Translation is not about the inspiration though It seems you are in the reference of the so-called confluent inspiration which is one of the aspects of inspiration of the Bible, that is the aspect of human penmanship. Translation of the Bible on the other hand is the act of rendering into something into another language. It is a work that requires great skill, intimate knowledge of at least two languages and when it comes to translating the scripture it requires the providential guidance by the Author himself.

God bless,

 

[jaybo]

The History Channel I am not able to edit like wiki. Therefore, it is more credible than wiki because not just anyone has access to it.

a) You can't just edit Wikileak entries. All edits are done and reviewed by experts; it's not open to just anyone, including religious fanatics.

b) The History Channel is primarily entertainment. It is not a reliable source of accurate information, but the result of writers' and editors' whims.

 

[tourist]

The word, as the KJV defines, represents a days wage.

I thought that was a denarius.

 

[fredoheaven]

I

Go ahead, read your beloved, antiquated translation, with its errors and contradictions. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that in 1611 somebody will make the perfect English translation. If the Bible doesn't say that, why should anyone believe you?

This is considered a circular reasoning...

 

[jaybo]

Are you trying to say, you're Book Smart but don't have much common sense?

I can tell by your answers you go off memory, which unrealistically enables a higher IQ. I can also tell your answers are from someone else's thoughts. This alerts me that Discernment and Common Sense you weren't blessed with.

Do you have a Psychological Disorder like Aspergers, maybe a deeper form of Autism?

Are you feeling okay? I've never read such tripe in my life.

Unlike yourself, my thoughts are my own. I know it's difficult for you to comprehend plain facts, but again, here they are...

I have a Master's degree and am in the top 1% of general intelligence. I have been been a Christian for many years, read the Bible daily, pray daily, and speak in tongues. I was an elder in my church for years until I retired. I have lived through a lot and have always stood on the side of human rights, just as Jesus did. And also, now that you mention it, I have both common sense and discernment -- "in spades". I was elected to be an elder at my church for a very good reason.

What are your credentials, biker? A motorcycle?

 

[fredoheaven]

When the same reasoning is rejected for modern translations, it is inadmissible for the KJV. There shall be ONE standard against which ALL translations are measured.

The KJV as indicated, in the marginal note with a mark of a ‘parallel lines’ ║ and with corresponding ‘or’ simply means it is to be an “alternative” reading and the meaning of this alternative reading is not as supposed to be an “interchange” but rather “a statement or offer of two things of which maybe either agreed to but not both”. Of two things: such that one or the other thing maybe be chosen, the choice of either involving the rejection of the other.” That is the reason why I am on the emphasis of ‘final analysis’. This is what the very definition of the Alternative reading as used prior to the KJV translation or as commonly used on the late 16 CE. (see The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary p.54)

 

[biker]

a) You can't just edit Wikileak entries. All edits are done and reviewed by experts; it's not open to just anyone, including religious fanatics.

b) The History Channel is primarily entertainment. It is not a reliable source of accurate information, but the result of writers' and editors' whims.

There is a man named bloke who was in charge years ago. Not sure if he was ever charged with actual pdiphilia but he definitely liked them way too young. Is he still around? If so, I can promise you those in charge are far from experts.

 

[biker]

Are you feeling okay? I've never read such tripe in my life.

Unlike yourself, my thoughts are my own. I know it's difficult for you to comprehend plain facts, but again, here they are...

I have a Master's degree and am in the top 1% of general intelligence. I have been been a Christian for many years, read the Bible daily, pray daily, and speak in tongues. I was an elder in my church for years until I retired. I have lived through a lot and have always stood on the side of human rights, just as Jesus did. And also, now that you mention it, I have both common sense and discernment -- "in spades". I was elected to be an elder at my church for a very good reason.

What are your credentials, biker? A motorcycle?

I have a B.A. in Science and Mathematics. I generally work in the fields related to Neuroscience.

 

[Dino246]

The KJV as indicated, in the marginal note with a mark of a ‘parallel lines’ ║ and with corresponding ‘or’ simply means it is to be an “alternative” reading and the meaning of this alternative reading is not as supposed to be an “interchange” but rather “a statement or offer of two things of which maybe either agreed to but not both”. Of two things: such that one or the other thing maybe be chosen, the choice of either involving the rejection of the other.” That is the reason why I am on the emphasis of ‘final analysis’. This is what the very definition of the Alternative reading as used prior to the KJV translation or as commonly used on the late 16 CE. (see The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary p.54)

Two things, Fredo:

You're responding to evidence that I did not present directly to you.

You don't seem to hold the position for which I presented the evidence.

John146 continually claims that "every word" is important, and that if we don't know which words are right, we are in doubt, or made the final arbiters of God's word. KJV1611 continually claims that the words of the KJV are the words that God "inspired" the translators to use. Both positions are refuted by the actual evidence of the 1611 KJV, which shows that the translators themselves could not come to a final, exclusive decision regarding the best words in John 3:3 and 7. If you don't share either of these positions (or anything similar) you have no concern.

 

[tourist]

If there is no more law, then there are no consequences. Read Revelation. There seems to be consequences.

Abortion is not a freedom nor is it a right. Is an unborn baby an insect of some kind? You refer to God instructing the Israelites to kill children. Was there a reason for that? Did it perhaps have something to do with the demonic nations around them?

Free country. Right. So then God should just ignore the sin that is leading to judgement and all the ripped apart babies that are tossed out like garbage. We should also then ignore all police who are violent and murderous and in fact, if you choose to loot and kill, it's ok because this is a free country.

Which church were you an elder in that you believe such lies and are fallen into deception to believe abortion is ok with God?

Abortion is cold blooded murder.

 

[jaybo]

I have a B.A. in Science and Mathematics. I generally work in the fields related to Neuroscience.

Wow, I am so impressed! A B.A? That means close to nothing. When you criticize my credentials, yours compare very, very poorly.

 

[biker]

Wow, I am so impressed! A B.A? That means close to nothing. When you criticize my credentials, yours compare very, very poorly.

Thank You, I am impressed you held back an entire 7 minutes before revealing how much you literally lack.