Will we, in Heaven, see the God the Father in Heaven?

[Hungry]

I have repeated my learning from the Word in my own words, bringing up/to/the/day the language.

Everlasting Father is the Father. Comforter and Counselor are the Holy Spirit. Ruler of Peace is our Savior in the flesh, Jesus-Yeshua.

You KNOW this is correct so why are you splitting words by feigned scholarly wording which will only confuse the lesser educated_

You know what I have posted is according to understanding of the Word..now you wish to split hairs. This is not my calling, allow me to understand after reading all of the Word dozens of times in prayer, and aloud for the creation to hear.

In the Strongs translator it gives you the Greek version that the KJV was translated from. Father is added to the original Greek. Only everlasting was there. That’s my point.

 

[breno785au]

I can't look up the verse now I have in my head but it speaks of seeing His glory, but not exactly His face.

I know we will see the Son, Jesus, but will we have access to or see the Father's Face?

Don't worry about WHAT you will see, know that you will see His face as foretold. As our minds are unable to fathom, nor words could describe what we will see.
Nothing excites me more than when I think that I will one day see His face. I can't wait!

 

[JaumeJ]

In the Strongs translator it gives you the Greek version that the KJV was translated from. Father is added to the original Greek. Only everlasting was there. That’s my point.

We all read many versions of the Word without the need of Strong whose translations have proven to be aging and faulty from thei4r inception.
When reading the Word we should rely on the Holy Spirit and not some referenced scholar, for they are no longer here to respond to our queries Because of this, it is like etching all repeated from them in stone and not on our hearts..

 

[Hungry]

How is that not what it says if I pulled the quote directly out of a KJV Bible? Do you mean that you prefer a different version? If so that's cool. Which one did you quote from?

No worries. When I read it from the Strongs, KJV, it stated “Christ appears”.

I think it’s interesting the only visible description of the One on the Throne is

We all read many versions of the Word without the need of Strong whose translations have proven to be aging and faulty from thei4r inception.
When reading the Word we should rely on the Holy Spirit and not some referenced scholar, for they are no longer here to respond to our queries Because of this, it is like etching all repeated from them in stone and not on our hearts..

I do rely on the Holy Spirit. That’s why when somebody posts something that is different than what i understand to be accurate, I check the original Greek manuscript. Often the word that was used in Greek has other meanings that make better sense. For example, at the beginning of John.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

In
Ἐν (En)
Preposition
Strong's Greek 1722: In, on, among. A primary preposition denoting position, and instrumentality, i.e. A relation of rest; 'in, ' at, on, by, etc.

[the] beginning
ἀρχῇ (archē)
Noun - Dative Feminine Singular
Strong's Greek 746: From archomai; a commencement, or chief.

was
ἦν (ēn)
Verb - Imperfect Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's Greek 1510: I am, exist. The first person singular present indicative; a prolonged form of a primary and defective verb; I exist.

the
ὁ (ho)
Article - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's Greek 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.

Word,
Λόγος (Logos)
Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's Greek 3056: From lego; something said; by implication, a topic, also reasoning or motive; by extension, a computation; specially, the Divine Expression.

and
καὶ (kai)
Conjunction
Strong's Greek 2532: And, even, also, namely.

the
ὁ (ho)
Article - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's Greek 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.

Word
Λόγος (Logos)
Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's Greek 3056: From lego; something said; by implication, a topic, also reasoning or motive; by extension, a computation; specially, the Divine Expression.

was
ἦν (ēn)
Verb - Imperfect Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's Greek 1510: I am, exist. The first person singular present indicative; a prolonged form of a primary and defective verb; I exist.

with
πρὸς (pros)
Preposition
Strong's Greek 4314: To, towards, with. A strengthened form of pro; a preposition of direction; forward to, i.e. Toward.

God,
Θεόν (Theon)
Noun - Accusative Masculine Singular
Strong's Greek 2316: A deity, especially the supreme Divinity; figuratively, a magistrate; by Hebraism, very.

and
καὶ (kai)
Conjunction
Strong's Greek 2532: And, even, also, namely.

the
ὁ (ho)
Article - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's Greek 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the.

Word
Λόγος (Logos)
Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's Greek 3056: From lego; something said; by implication, a topic, also reasoning or motive; by extension, a computation; specially, the Divine Expression.

was
ἦν (ēn)
Verb - Imperfect Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's Greek 1510: I am, exist. The first person singular present indicative; a prolonged form of a primary and defective verb; I exist.



God.
Θεὸς (Theos)
Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's Greek 2316: A deity, especially the supreme Divinity; figuratively, a magistrate; by Hebraism, very.


See the difference? Many people when reading just the KJV don’t realize that God was used for two different Greek words. It actually states that the Logos (the divine expression, not an utterance) was divine (theos) not God the Father (Theon).

 

[Benadam]

This passage expresses the mystery of the vision of God and the height God lifts man by means of our likeness to Him.
Also expressed is the transformative power of this vision.

As counterintuitive as it is.

We will be like Him..How? Because we will SEE Him as He is.

We are created in His likeness and that is natural to us.

 

[JaumeJ]

When a person claims to learn of the Holy Spirit but needs to translate fro foreign languages in order to be certain or to correct his or her understanding, it is not of the Holy Spirit. Do not confuse the children with verifications from languages they cannot understand nor probably ever will. Their understanding is in faith not in words of linguistic interpreters of the Bible. God has provided translations for all languages.

 

[MattforJesus]

I can't look up the verse now I have in my head but it speaks of seeing His glory, but not exactly His face.

I know we will see the Son, Jesus, but will we have access to or see the Father's Face?

Contrary to what some people believe Jesus is the only visible manifestation of God we will see.

The Father told the Jews in Isiah 52 that in the future He will speak to them, and reveal His new name to them.

Which Jesus told Philip that if he has seem Him, he has seen the Father, and the works that He does is not His own, but the Father that dwells in Him, He does the works, John 14.

Jesus said He came in His Father's name, John 5.

Hebrews 1 says the Son inherited the name from the Father.

In John 14 the Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.

Jesus at the right hand of God does not mean Jesus is on a throne next to the Father.

The Bible says there is only one throne in heaven, and one who sits on that throne.

Which is the throne of God and the Lamb, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

God's right hand represent power, wisdom, and salvation, which Jesus is the power and wisdom of God, and our Savior.

Jesus said all power is given to Him in heaven and earth.

There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, for only a sinless man can reconcile the world unto God, and God reconciled the world unto Himself in the person of Jesus Christ, God and man in harmony, and all who have the Spirit are one with God.

David said the LORD said unto my Lord, sit at my right hand until your enemies become your footstool.

Which the Son must reign until His enemies are conquered, and all the saints are with Him, be at the right hand of God, exercise the throne of power, and when that happens then the Son shall cease to reign, stop being at the right hand, that God may be all in all.

God exalted the man Christ Jesus to be at His right hand, reign, until His enemies are conquered, and then He shall cease being at the right hand for His mediator role is complete, and God will be all in all.

There is only one throne in heaven, and Jesus is the only visible manifestation of God we will see, and if you have seen Jesus you have seen the Father.

Which Jesus said to the disciples that the Comforter shall come to them, and said I will not leave you comfortless, but I will come to you, so to see Jesus is to see the Holy Spirit.

 

[Hungry]

When a person claims to learn of the Holy Spirit but needs to translate fro foreign languages in order to be certain or to correct his or her understanding, it is not of the Holy Spirit. Do not confuse the children with verifications from languages they cannot understand nor probably ever will. Their understanding is in faith not in words of linguistic interpreters of the Bible. God has provided translations for all languages.

You are exactly wrong. We are supposed to search the scriptures. If Jimmy the preacher is saying something contrary to what the Holy Spirit explains then it is our due diligence to find the Truth in the matter. How is one to know if indeed Jimmy is in error, or you are? Maybe Jimmy also thinks that the Holy Spirit told him that. Because the Bible in its original text refutes your belief, you dismiss it? It’s not supposed to be a contest of who is right and wrong. However, I do train like it’s a contest. It’s not to defeat fellow brothers in a BDF. If the word of God is in fact our sword against the dark powers then I’m going to master my weapon. I want to learn it in English, Greek and Hebrew. If the Holy Spirit tells me to reread something a hundred times then I’m going to reread it until I get it.

 

[JaumeJ]

Unless we turn and become as a child we cannot enter the Kingdom.

 

[JeremiahsCup]

At the end God will resurrect everyone and his face will be Revealed and the earth and heaven will melt away with fervent fires at the glory of his face. Every person that ever lived will see the face of Lord God, every eye will behold him and every knee will bow and every spirit will have to confess that he is the Lord God.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Contrary to what some people believe Jesus is the only visible manifestation of God we will see.

Since Scripture reveals God the Father taking human form and the appearance or likeness of a Man while seated on His throne (Scriptures already posted) you are refusing to accept what the Bible has to say. We should take revealed truth for what it says, no matter how contrary to human reasoning.

 

[Scribe]

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

We don't know what it will look like exactly. If you imagine it, that's not it.

 

[Scribe]

You posted a very good excerpt as your signature. It reads;


“There's a way to preach the Bible unbiblically...You can use the Bible as the springboard for all kinds of ideas, can't you? Look around in here and find something that fits your fancy and then launch a rocket off it. People say, 'That was amazing, wasn't it? Remarkable what he got out of that.' Well of course it is, because he put it in before he got it out.”
― Alistair Begg

Now, put it into practice, just for you. Where is a single verse that says we are going to heaven? Oh, I know that there are some verses that if you add and subtract a little, you can make them mean that we go to heaven, but that is what your excerpt says. Ask yourself, is there a set of verses with which to build a doctrine of men going to heaven and seeing God? I mean verses like "you shall not murder", or "you are the Temple of God". And then comes another difficult question. If Christ is returning to earth, what are you going to be doing in heaven? This is followed by an even more difficult question. In 1st Thessalonians 4:16-17 it says that at the coming of the Lord, the dead RISE. And then TOGETHER with the living are "caught UP". How could they if they were already in heaven.

Then, on examination of the dead, we see, in every case in scripture, the dead RISE. On top of this, God has never ever made a statement that He either made men for heaven, or that heaven was the goal. In Genesis 1:26-28 God specifically says that men are made for the earth.

I think it is worth an investigation. If I were a detective looking at a crime scene, the facts would count - not a preconceived idea. What say you my esteemed brother?

The way of the righteous is above to depart from the hell beneath.
You will keep me in the way of righteousness and afterwards receive me to glory.

The New Jerusalem comes down out of heaven and sets on a newly created earth. This New Jerusalem is already populated because after all where were the people at while old earth burned up and the new earth was created. At any rate the New Jerusalem coming down from heaven to earth creates a heaven and earth merge. So it is ok to call it heaven.

 

[Blade]

YES YES YES! Now? NO! We would POOF be gone. What is so blinding now will not be there. We need to remember our desire to see Him? Dose not even come close to His desire to see hold us...and He will never let go! Hes going through all this so we never will leave Him

 

[kaylagrl]

If they are one and the same, why when someone told Jesus He was good. He corrected him by saying only God is good. There is a plethora of verses that distinguish the Father from the Son. The only verse that loosely backs that assumption is when Jesus says, “The Father and I are one.” This isn’t a confirmation. My wife and I are one. That doesn’t mean we are a single entity.

Jesus said that whoever had seen Him had seen the father. Jesus asked why the Jews wanted to stone Him and they said it was because He claimed to be God. The Scripture is clear about the trinity and that Jesus is God. If you don't believe that you're believing a false doctrine. I pray you will find the truth.

 

[kaylagrl]

That is incorrect. They are not one and the same. The Father is distinct from the Son, but also resembles His appearance. This is clearly brought out in Daniel 7:13: I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of Man [Christ] came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of Days [the Father], and they brought Him [the Son] near before Him [the Father].

We see this distinction in Revelation also.

They are all one is what I was saying. "Three coeternal consubstantial persons", clear enough?

 

[Nehemiah6]

They are all one is what I was saying. "Three coeternal consubstantial persons", clear enough?

No, that is not clear enough. Yes, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all God (co-eternal and con-substantial). But they are three DISTINCT divine Persons at the same time (as seen clearly in the baptism of Jesus of Nazareth, where the Holy Spirit took the form of a dove, but the Father simply spoke from Heaven).

When we come to the throne of God, it is God the Father who is seated on His throne, and He is also depicted as taking the likeness or appearance of a Man. At the same time Jesus is indeed the Man Christ Jesus in Heaven (in His glorified body). They both resemble each other in appearance, yet they are distinct.

THE GLORIOUS APPEARANCE OF THE FATHER ON HIS THRONE (EZEK 1:26-28)
26 And above the firmament that was over their [THE CHERUBIMS'] heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a Man above upon it.
27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of His loins even upward, and from the appearance of His loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.
28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I sawit, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.

We know from Daniel 7 that this is the Father on His throne (called the Ancient of Days) whereas the Son of God is called "the Son of Man" (as Jesus called Himself over and over again), who comes to the Ancient of Days.

THE GLORIOUS APPEARANCE OF THE SON (REV 1:12-18)
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
14 His head and His hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and His eyes were as a flame of fire;
15 And His feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and His voice as the sound of many waters.
16 And He had in his right hand seven stars: and out of His mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and His countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. And He laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell [HADES] and of death.

This description of Christ resembles that of the Father in Daniel 7:9: I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of Days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of His head like the pure wool: His throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

 

[kaylagrl]

No, that is not clear enough. Yes, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all God (co-eternal and con-substantial). But they are three DISTINCT divine Persons at the same time (as seen clearly in the baptism of Jesus of Nazareth, where the Holy Spirit took the form of a dove, but the Father simply spoke from Heaven).

When we come to the throne of God, it is God the Father who is seated on His throne, and He is also depicted as taking the likeness or appearance of a Man. At the same time Jesus is indeed the Man Christ Jesus in Heaven (in His glorified body). They both resemble each other in appearance, yet they are distinct.

THE GLORIOUS APPEARANCE OF THE FATHER ON HIS THRONE (EZEK 1:26-28)
26 And above the firmament that was over their [THE CHERUBIMS'] heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a Man above upon it.
27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of His loins even upward, and from the appearance of His loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.
28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I sawit, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.

We know from Daniel 7 that this is the Father on His throne (called the Ancient of Days) whereas the Son of God is called "the Son of Man" (as Jesus called Himself over and over again), who comes to the Ancient of Days.

THE GLORIOUS APPEARANCE OF THE SON (REV 1:12-18)
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
14 His head and His hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and His eyes were as a flame of fire;
15 And His feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and His voice as the sound of many waters.
16 And He had in his right hand seven stars: and out of His mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and His countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
17 And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. And He laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell [HADES] and of death.

This description of Christ resembles that of the Father in Daniel 7:9: I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of Days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of His head like the pure wool: His throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

Sigh, I already said that. Why do you insist on arguing even with people who agree with you? You seem like a very angry person, and I'm saying that as a person who agrees with much of what you say. One God, three persons. We even sing a hymn about it. Simple.

 

[Hungry]

Jesus said that whoever had seen Him had seen the father. Jesus asked why the Jews wanted to stone Him and they said it was because He claimed to be God. The Scripture is clear about the trinity and that Jesus is God. If you don't believe that you're believing a false doctrine. I pray you will find the truth.

First of all you have to keep reading. You can’t just stop at John 14:9. It states He is in the Father and the Father is in Him. The Father works through Christ but is not Christ. They are two working together as one but not one. My phone and my router work together to give my wifi but my phone is not my router. They are connected but not one. Scripture is clear about Christ being divine (theos), not Jehovah (Theon). The KJV did a great disservice by using the word “God” for both from the original Greek. I believe no false doctrine. I believe what is written. Christ never said He was the Father. What He said was, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10Do you not believe thatI am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.11Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.
12“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. 13And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may beglorified in the Son. 14If you [c]ask anything in My name, I will do it.

Once again, He doesn’t go to Himself. He will go to the Father. When the Holy Spirit dwells in us, and our attitude is changed, and possibly miracles happen, are we then the Holy Spirit, or is it just the Holy Spirit working through us? It’s the same thing.

 

[Prycejosh1987]

I can't look up the verse now I have in my head but it speaks of seeing His glory, but not exactly His face.

I know we will see the Son, Jesus, but will we have access to or see the Father's Face?

The spirit is the one i am looking forward to seeing. The bible says we will see him and know him as he is in eternity. The some of angels can see God although there isn't many references on that. I can conclude that as there will no sin in heaven and on the new earth, we will be "worthy" enough to see his face.