The truth about tongues: a DIVISIVE force in Christianity today

[lenna]

You are looking at the terms from the exoteric perspective. That whole song is about pagan god worship.

In ancient Rome the first day of May fell during the festival of Floralia, named in honor of Flora, the goddess of springtime and flowers. It was a time of singing, dancing, and flower-decked parades, and also to hang flowers on a loved one's door. Roman prostitutes especially enjoyed the festival, for they considered Flora their patron goddess.

The New Funk & Wagnalls Encyclopedia says on page 8294:

“May Day festivals probably stem from the rites practiced in honor of a Roman goddess, Maia, who was worshiped as the source of human and natural fertility.” A conspicuous feature of this celebration has been (and still is, especially among school children) the dancing around the Maypole.

The same encyclopedia states: “This Maypole is believed by most scholars to be a survival of a phallic symbol formerly used in the spring rites for the goddess Maia.”

According to the polemic anti-Catholic pamphlet, The Two Babylons, the origin of the maypole dance began in ancient Babylon during sex worship and fertility rites. The church of St. Andrew Undershaft in the City of London is named after the maypole that was kept under its eaves and set up each spring until 1517 when student riots put an end to the custom. The maypole itself survived until 1547 when a Puritan mob seized and destroyed it as a "pagan idol".

So now you want to debate the song? LOL! Most people are aware of the leanings of Pink Floyd but they still used common words found in use to this day in the English vernacular of people who are actually from England.

A copy/paste does not reassure me you actually grasp what you are posting about.

You do understand, for example, that the Maypole is still enacted in Jolly Ole England and other European locations?

None of this gives evidence for your interpretation of 'tongues' but it is amusing

 

[notuptome]

Trying to explain things to you, garee, Nehemiah, and a few others is an exercise in futility.

You cannot persuade without scriptural evidence. Reading the bible to make it say what you want in place of what God really sid is not going to cut it. You cannot argue against Gods word

I give up, for now. But I'll leave with this:
1 Cor 14:5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

Context my dear man will clarify the issue. You continue to use a very elastic definition for the word tongues. You refuse to distinguish between the polluted definition and the specific definition found in the bible.

You're as blind as a bat.

You are immature and judgmental. You lack spiritual maturity and a willingness to hear what Gods word is teaching so you shut out the truth in favor of the deception that is tongues in todays church.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[lenna]

You are looking at the terms from the exoteric perspective. That whole song is about pagan god worship.

Actually, you have it reversed. Esoteric would be reserved for those who have the pagan leanings of Pink Floyd.

 

[Angela53510]

Here’s a worldly message of speaking in an unknown tongue. A hidden message is being conveyed to those that have ears to hear. Almost all pop and rock songs are written in an unknown tongue, and this is why those lyrics make no sense to those who don’t have ears to hear.

If there's a bustle in your hedgerow
Don't be alarmed now
It's just a spring clean for the May queen
Yes, there are two paths you can go by
But in the long run
There's still time to change the road you're on
And it makes me wonder
Your head is humming and it won't go
In case you don't know
The piper's calling you to join him
Dear lady, can you hear the wind blow?
And did you know
Your stairway lies on the whispering wind?
And as we wind on down the road
Our shadows taller than our soul
There walks a lady we all know
Who shines white light and wants to show
How everything still turns to gold
And if you listen very hard
The tune will come to you at last
When all are one and one is all
To be a rock and not to roll
And she's buying a stairway to Heaven

The Bible is written in this same unknown tongue so that only those who have ears to hear can receive the message.

Oh wow! Stairway to Heaven! There was that guy in the 1980s - Bob Larson I believe, who played this part backwards and claimed it said "Worship Satan" or "God is dead" or something. I listened to those recordings over and over and over, and I could NOT hear any of that stuff. I was recently out of the world of being a professional musician, and played this song - I did the flute part, and back up singing. I wanted to find out what evil I had been singing and repent of it. Which would have been the right thing to do, had it actually said those things.

My current theory is the lack of sense of the lyrics is probably a lot simpler. Like, these are not 18th or 19th Romantic poets with a huge command of English. These are a bunch of guys just trying to finish a long song, and filling in the spots with nonsense where there were blanks that they couldn't fit anything reasonable. Been there, done that, although not this badly! Probably the booze and drugs didn't help them in picking out words that actually made sense.

It was the top song of the 1970s. My opinion is its popularity is accounted for by using some different music forms, such as the harmonic minor, adding in some country medieval music, recorders, etc, and going from pianissimo in the beginning, and ending with triple fortissimo by the end, as well as the length and a rather confusing "mystical" words, (in the loosest use of the word), lyrics also helped. Better than the 3 chord R &R that was mostly going on, esp. by the end of the 70s.

 

[lenna]

My current theory is the lack of sense of the lyrics is probably a lot simpler. Like, these are not 18th or 19th Romantic poets with a huge command of English. These are a bunch of guys just trying to finish a long song, and filling in the spots with nonsense where there were blanks that they couldn't fit anything reasonable. Been there, done that, although not this badly! Probably the booze and drugs didn't help them in picking out words that actually made sense.

Actually that is not true. Please do some research on it before making such a sweeping generalization.

Not meaning to be insulting, but this whole Pink Floyd thing is getting beyond silly.

You simply wrote an opinion piece with no reason other than your own opinion. You might be or have been a pro musician, but one does not have to be such to gain a better understanding.

 

[KJV1611]

The Bible says the exact opposite.

But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort... Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

You are so biblically inept Nehemiah. I was quoting scripture that said the greater gift was TONGUES INTERPRETED. Why do you resist the Holy Ghost?

You’re posting a verse written in tongues to disprove my verse that’s NOT written in tongues.

TEN THOUSAND is tongues language for those of us who have PRESENTLY entered into the millennial kingdom where CHRIST is ruling and reigning in our hearts and MINDS. Get it? The 10000 words are for those of us in the millennial reign, not for those WAITING for a false millennial reign that comes in the future.

 

[KJV1611]

So now you want to debate the song? LOL! Most people are aware of the leanings of Pink Floyd but they still used common words found in use to this day in the English vernacular of people who are actually from England.

A copy/paste does not reassure me you actually grasp what you are posting about.

You do understand, for example, that the Maypole is still enacted in Jolly Ole England and other European locations?

None of this gives evidence for your interpretation of 'tongues' but it is amusing

Oh my gosh lol. Continue with your version of tongues please.

 

[KJV1611]

Actually, you have it reversed. Esoteric would be reserved for those who have the pagan leanings of Pink Floyd.

Oh my gosh lol. EXO means OUTSIDE. ESO means inside.

 

[lenna]

Oh my gosh lol. Continue with your version of tongues please.

I don't have a version. Just simply the biblical record. I would ask what else you think is esoteric in scripture but I most likely don't really want to know

 

[KJV1611]

Oh wow! Stairway to Heaven! There was that guy in the 1980s - Bob Larson I believe, who played this part backwards and claimed it said "Worship Satan" or "God is dead" or something. I listened to those recordings over and over and over, and I could NOT hear any of that stuff. I was recently out of the world of being a professional musician, and played this song - I did the flute part, and back up singing. I wanted to find out what evil I had been singing and repent of it. Which would have been the right thing to do, had it actually said those things.

My current theory is the lack of sense of the lyrics is probably a lot simpler. Like, these are not 18th or 19th Romantic poets with a huge command of English. These are a bunch of guys just trying to finish a long song, and filling in the spots with nonsense where there were blanks that they couldn't fit anything reasonable. Been there, done that, although not this badly! Probably the booze and drugs didn't help them in picking out words that actually made sense.

It was the top song of the 1970s. My opinion is its popularity is accounted for by using some different music forms, such as the harmonic minor, adding in some country medieval music, recorders, etc, and going from pianissimo in the beginning, and ending with triple fortissimo by the end, as well as the length and a rather confusing "mystical" words, (in the loosest use of the word), lyrics also helped. Better than the 3 chord R &R that was mostly going on, esp. by the end of the 70s.

Did you ever wonder why Sammy Paige bought Aliester Crowleys old house?

 

[lenna]

Oh my gosh lol. EXO means OUTSIDE. ESO means inside.

Can you be honest now that you know you don't understand what you are trying to teach others about?

This is what you posted:

You are looking at the terms from the exoteric perspective. That whole song is about pagan god worship.

Looks far more like a misspelling of the word esoteric and since the song fits that description with its occult leanings, maybe don't try to come off as so smart.

 

[KJV1611]

I don't have a version. Just simply the biblical record. I would ask what else you think is esoteric in scripture but I most likely don't really want to know

Every thing in the Bible is esoteric except that we are sinners and we need Jesus. The rest is hidden from the world.

 

[lenna]

Did you ever wonder why Sammy Paige bought Aliester Crowleys old house?

I am sure it keeps her up at night. Was a documentary on tv last year. Probably where you got your information from .

 

[lenna]

Every thing in the Bible is esoteric except that we are sinners and we need Jesus. The rest is hidden from the world.

I see. So that means you must be a full blown Preterist. LOL! Got it now

Never mind then. Anything you write will have that perspective and it explains what you have written so far.

Next

 

[KJV1611]

Can you be honest now that you know you don't understand what you are trying to teach others about?

This is what you posted:



Looks far more like a misspelling of the word esoteric and since the song fits that description with its occult leanings, maybe don't try to come off as so smart.

ex·o·ter·ic
/ˌeksəˈterik/
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adjectiveFORMAL
(especially of a doctrine or mode of speech) intended for or likely to be understood by the general public.
"an exoteric, literal meaning and an esoteric, inner teaching"

 

[KJV1611]

I see. So that means you must be a full blown Preterist. LOL! Got it now

Never mind then. Anything you write will have that perspective and it explains what you have written so far.

Next

I don’t want to argue with you, I really don’t care what you believe, that’s between you and God. I’m just giving the truth to counter the tongues babbling crews lies.

 

[lenna]

Preterism holds that Ancient Israel finds its continuation or fulfillment in the Christian church at the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. The term preterism comes from the Latin praeter, which is a prefix denoting that something is "past" or "beyond". Adherents of preterism are known as preterists.

I really don’t care what you believe

I would think a Christian would care about what others believe. Your insults about tongues are duly noted by all. Moving on

Cheers

 

[KJV1611]

Preterism holds that Ancient Israel finds its continuation or fulfillment in the Christian church at the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. The term preterism comes from the Latin praeter, which is a prefix denoting that something is "past" or "beyond". Adherents of preterism are known as preterists.

Oh my gosh another antichrist Jew worshipper. The flesh descendants of Israel are not, have not, and never will be Gods chosen people. SMH

 

[Angela53510]

Well of course Angela, but I did post a link. The link is the blue clickable type in my first sentence.

My apologies for saying the link was not there. I confess I have never seen such a long sentence with an embedded link, but that is on me.

However, a link to some iffy Pentecostal site, (which is exactly what I said in my last posts) is simply not a serious source. I want to see the quote within the actual manuscript, or some kind of comparison to the Greek. Plus, they really didn't quote any reputable source. Sadly, some fly by night website from someone with a very definite viewpoint on tongues is simply not going to convince me of anything, although it many confirm your biases.

And I did dig deeper and find a link to an actual book written by a Greek scholar, which was clear that none of the Church Fathers were referring to themselves, or tongues being spoken in their time, but as a part of the book of Acts, and in other places like 1 Cor. I don't think anyone on this thread disagrees that some kind of language was used in the book of Acts, although someone put forward an interesting theory about it being just Aramaic and Greek that was spoken on the day of Pentecost. If that was true, why would anyone be excited about the normal empire languages, which everyone used being the languages? But, nice to read a different theory, even if it is not right!

 

[biker]

Did you ever wonder why Sammy Paige bought Aliester Crowleys old house?

Jimmy Paige?