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Osas is true only for those for whom it really is true, meaning they will NEVER go back to their old life. They don't want to and they never will. They are tried and tested and found true. OSAS is true for them, not for all believers.
OSAS, where it resides, resides in the mature 4th type of soil believer "who have heard the word in an honest and good heart, and hold it fast, and bear fruit with perseverance. (Luke 8:15). Which, in all honesty, rules out about 90% of the believing church.
OSAS, where it resides, resides in the mature 4th type of soil believer "who have heard the word in an honest and good heart, and hold it fast, and bear fruit with perseverance. (Luke 8:15). Which, in all honesty, rules out about 90% of the believing church.
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Your statement here seems to contradict the following passages:
2 Thessalonians 2
[10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. [11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: [12] That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2 Thessalonians 2
[10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. [11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: [12] That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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The same reason a Christian should fear being banned from a chat board. 
Of course, we are all free to obey or disobey. But there are consequences....
Of course, we are all free to obey or disobey. But there are consequences....
How can that be?!
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1 Corinthians 2:14.
Read it very carefully and in context ... pay attention to the brilliant mind of Paul who was well aware of the philosophies in his day...
The comparison here is not natural man with the spiritual man ...
the contrast is between human wisdom and divine revelation.
He is stating if you rely on human wisdom (philosophies) you cannot understand the divine revelation.
You will deny this because it does not fit your schema and this Calvinist view is everywhere but the theme/context of this section of Paul’s letter is not “sinner” versus “saint,” or the “unregenerate” in contrast to the “regenerate.”
Your view makes God morally culpable... because it is God's fault if “unregenerate” man never accesses the things of God.
Here's God message to the Freegrace movement:
Do not trust in deceptive words and say, "This is the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord, the Temple of the Lord!"
Will you steal and murder, commit adultery and perjury, burn incense to Baal and follow other gods you have not known, and then come and stand before me in this house, which bears my Name, and say, "We are safe" -safe to do all these detestable things?"
Jeremiah 7:4,9-10
Do not trust in deceptive words and say, "This is the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord, the Temple of the Lord!"
Will you steal and murder, commit adultery and perjury, burn incense to Baal and follow other gods you have not known, and then come and stand before me in this house, which bears my Name, and say, "We are safe" -safe to do all these detestable things?"
Jeremiah 7:4,9-10
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Why does God have to give anyone a chance? What is in them that God should offer them salvation? If He saves by grace, then it is unmerited favor, meaning, there was nothing in the one He saved that caused Him to bestow His grace upon them. Yet, the other side keeps saying God must offer grace to everyone indiscriminately. If He must do this, then it’s an obligation not grace.
Let's also look at the contrast between the reprobate there, and those elect in the next portion by looking at the context of the passage. We have to only read a few more words to get the answer: God chose those whom he had written to, and saved them by the preaching of the Gospel.
"But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth.
To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ."
So we see God glorified in exercising justice and mercy. We should keep in mind the lost are not going to hell "for" rejecting the Gospel, they are already lost and worthy of damnation. The others were also called as well, but "many are called, few are chosen." If the lost aren't damned until "they reject" then we should leave them be so "they can go to heaven."
The text deserves a more complete look rather than just using a portion of it as a proof text to try and defeat a loathed biblical doctrine.
"But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth.
To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ."
So we see God glorified in exercising justice and mercy. We should keep in mind the lost are not going to hell "for" rejecting the Gospel, they are already lost and worthy of damnation. The others were also called as well, but "many are called, few are chosen." If the lost aren't damned until "they reject" then we should leave them be so "they can go to heaven."
The text deserves a more complete look rather than just using a portion of it as a proof text to try and defeat a loathed biblical doctrine.
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2 Thessalonians 2:10
[10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
I’m confused by your commentary.
This passage, along with others, are abundantly clear to me.
To each his own.
[10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
I’m confused by your commentary.
This passage, along with others, are abundantly clear to me.
To each his own.
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Well, naturally we should loath every false way, right?
Psalm 119:128
Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right; and I hate every false way.
I can accept that God knows who will believe and endure to the end. But I think we should exercise this principle:
Psalm 131:1
Lord, my heart is not haughty, nor mine eyes lofty: neither do I exercise myself in great matters, or in things too high for me.
We are told to preach the gospel to every creature. Having the attitude that God has already selected those who will be saved hinders that work in my estimation; in fact, it may hinder the believer’s own walk with the Lord.
It just seems strange to me. I continue reading the scriptures and I am not told by scripture to think that way.
I’ll keep searching though...
Psalm 119:128
Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right; and I hate every false way.
I can accept that God knows who will believe and endure to the end. But I think we should exercise this principle:
Psalm 131:1
Lord, my heart is not haughty, nor mine eyes lofty: neither do I exercise myself in great matters, or in things too high for me.
We are told to preach the gospel to every creature. Having the attitude that God has already selected those who will be saved hinders that work in my estimation; in fact, it may hinder the believer’s own walk with the Lord.
It just seems strange to me. I continue reading the scriptures and I am not told by scripture to think that way.
I’ll keep searching though...
It didn't hinder Paul, it motivated him:
Remember Jesus Christ, risen from the dead, the offspring of David, as preached in my gospel,
for which I am suffering, bound with chains as a criminal. But the word of God is not bound!
Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. - 2 Timothy 2:8-10.
Note Acts 18 as well, what God told Paul about Corinth. Look at 18:9-10 especially.
These truths should encourage not discourage.
Remember Jesus Christ, risen from the dead, the offspring of David, as preached in my gospel,
for which I am suffering, bound with chains as a criminal. But the word of God is not bound!
Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. - 2 Timothy 2:8-10.
Note Acts 18 as well, what God told Paul about Corinth. Look at 18:9-10 especially.
These truths should encourage not discourage.
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Note Acts 18 as well, what God told Paul about Corinth. Look at 18:9-10 especially.
These truths should encourage not discourage.
These truths should encourage not discourage.
I will continue to search the scriptures..,
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