All nations shall flow unto it

[JaumeJ]

In the Kingdom according to Yeshua-Jesus.

Mat 22:28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

 

[JaumeJ]

It seems that when the enemy is cast into the pit for a thousand years, this will be the thousand years of peace on the earth, after which he will be released and attempt to wage war on all. Of course that is his delusion for he will not even begin to prevail...........Praise Yah, amen.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

It seems that when the enemy is cast into the pit for a thousand years, this will be the thousand years of peace on the earth, after which he will be released and attempt to wage war on all. Of course that is his delusion for he will not even begin to prevail...........Praise Yah, amen.

I don't think Satan wages war on all at that time. Rather, he gathers the nations surrounding Israel to rebel against The King once again. He doesn't war against people, he deceives them to join him in challenging the Kingship of Yeshua. This is the way of mankind. Even after experiencing 1000 years on a peaceful earth the Gentile nations will join a rebellion against The Righteous King of the earth.

The adversary is imprisoned permanently after that, then The Lord gives us a new heavens & earth, The New Jerusalem and a new order where there is no more chance of being deceived into rebellion.

 

[p_rehbein]

Luke 24:36-43 (KJV)
36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

we will be like Him:

My point exactly!

He appeared to THEM in THIS INSTANCE in a way that THEY could understand...........NOT AS THE ETERNAL SPIRIT HE IS..............which they could not understand.........

Now, IF you want to believe you will have a flesh and bone body in Heaven, that's fine with me.......Oh, but wait, you won't be in Heaven right? You will be on the New Earth? Well, in that case, you may well have a flesh and bone body. For (IMO) this New Earth is reserved for the "carnal believer" that Paul spoke of, and Heaven for the Spiritual believer.......... and in Heaven, we will be like Him........

GOD IS A SPIRIT, AND TO WORSHIP HIM, WE MUST WORSHIP HIM IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH!

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

This Gospel of The Kingdom
- will be preached in all the earth. Then the end will come. (Math 24)

Look at this deteriorating earthly system of governance. We are the only ones who have an adequate answer.
This Gospel of The Kingdom.
This fair and righteous warrior king whose return we await! His work as a suffering servant sacrifice is complete.
He returns to us MIGHTY to save.
The apostles longed to see the time of his earthly kingship.


How do we tell them? How do we make those who are left unsaved believe our message? I can feel the world growing harder, more resistant to the good news of the kingdom. Yet they need him more than ever. And this is our assignment. To tell them.

 

[luigi]

Many speak of the Reign of Christ as being a spiritual happening but it is going to be a physical experience.


Isaiah 2 (KJV)


2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

The reason the nations shall flow to mountain of the Lord's house is that when the Lord comes like a thief and removes his spirit from unbelievers, while rewarding the saints, the results will then be those described in Isaiah 60:1-2, where the faithful will be fully enlightened, while the faithless will be in total darkness. The faithless who are in darkness will then have to go to the enlightened faithful for direction (Isaiah 60:3 & 2:3).

Isaiah 60:1 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee. 2 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee. 3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.

 

[Guojing]

This Gospel of The Kingdom
- will be preached in all the earth. Then the end will come. (Math 24)

Look at this deteriorating earthly system of governance. We are the only ones who have an adequate answer.
This Gospel of The Kingdom.
This fair and righteous warrior king whose return we await! His work as a suffering servant sacrifice is complete.
He returns to us MIGHTY to save.
The apostles longed to see the time of his earthly kingship.


How do we tell them? How do we make those who are left unsaved believe our message? I can feel the world growing harder, more resistant to the good news of the kingdom. Yet they need him more than ever. And this is our assignment. To tell them.

The Kingdom was only promised to Israel. The nation has already rejected their King.

 

[rhern]

My point exactly!

He appeared to THEM in THIS INSTANCE in a way that THEY could understand...........NOT AS THE ETERNAL SPIRIT HE IS..............which they could not understand.........

Now, IF you want to believe you will have a flesh and bone body in Heaven, that's fine with me.......Oh, but wait, you won't be in Heaven right? You will be on the New Earth? Well, in that case, you may well have a flesh and bone body. For (IMO) this New Earth is reserved for the "carnal believer" that Paul spoke of, and Heaven for the Spiritual believer.......... and in Heaven, we will be like Him........

GOD IS A SPIRIT, AND TO WORSHIP HIM, WE MUST WORSHIP HIM IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH!

The thousand year reign is not in heaven.

Matthew 19: (KJV)

27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?

28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

.......if this is a spiritual world, why would Jesus need help controlling the masses.

a physical throne

Romans 15:8 (KJV)

8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:


... The Jews anticipated the coming of the Messiah and a Kingdom, ruled by the King especially after the Crucifixion

They weren't looking for a spiritual heavenly life, they were looking for the promised Kingdom.


Acts 1:6 (KJV)

6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

The Kingdom was only promised to Israel. The nation has already rejected their King.

What kind of a weird Gospel message is that?

Israel are being chastised unto redemption for our benefit. But that is beside the point.


The Lord's message was a covenant of Kingdom. We are saved into his kingdom.

Mathew 24
14 This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.

Mathew 6:10

"Your kingdom come.
Your will be done,
On earth as it is in heaven"

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

My point exactly!

He appeared to THEM in THIS INSTANCE in a way that THEY could understand...........NOT AS THE ETERNAL SPIRIT HE IS..............which they could not understand.........

Now, IF you want to believe you will have a flesh and bone body in Heaven, that's fine with me.......Oh, but wait, you won't be in Heaven right? You will be on the New Earth? Well, in that case, you may well have a flesh and bone body. For (IMO) this New Earth is reserved for the "carnal believer" that Paul spoke of, and Heaven for the Spiritual believer.......... and in Heaven, we will be like Him........

GOD IS A SPIRIT, AND TO WORSHIP HIM, WE MUST WORSHIP HIM IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH!

All that is true but it's not right to focus on one aspect of redemption but neglect the rest of his plan.
How can there be a resurrection without bodies of matter? God didn't make us to be incorporeal spirits.
His message has always been one of the restoration of all things. Can these bones live? (Ezekiel)

Romans 8:23 Specifies that we await the redemption OF OUR BODIES. This is our adoption as sons.


Romans 8 (NASB)
21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now.
23 And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body.
24 For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for who hopes for what he already sees?
25 But if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it.

 

[Guojing]

What kind of a weird Gospel message is that?

Israel are being chastised unto redemption for our benefit. But that is beside the point.


The Lord's message was a covenant of Kingdom. We are saved into his kingdom.

Mathew 24
14 This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.

Mathew 6:10

"Your kingdom come.
Your will be done,
On earth as it is in heaven"

Those are all written to Israel

The gospel that saves now is found on 1 cor 15:1-4.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Those are all written to Israel

The gospel that saves now is found on 1 cor 15:1-4.

We are all one. There is one Gospel of The Kingdom. First to the Jew then to the Gentile.
To suggest that Jesus preached a different gospel to Paul is wrong.
Jesus had the same message as the prophets of Israel and the apostles whom he taught.


Galatians 1

6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel;
7 which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!
9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

 

[Guojing]

We are all one. There is one Gospel of The Kingdom. First to the Jew then to the Gentile.
To suggest that Jesus preached a different gospel to Paul is wrong.
Jesus had the same message as the prophets of Israel and the apostles whom he taught.


Galatians 1

6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel;
7 which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!
9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

But in the kingdom gospel, water baptism is required for salvation (mark 16:16)

You hold on to that doctrine?

 

[JaumeJ]

The Gospel of our Savior is one Gospel, there is no other. It was given first to Abraham...

 

[rhern]

We are all one. There is one Gospel of The Kingdom. First to the Jew then to the Gentile.
To suggest that Jesus preached a different gospel to Paul is wrong.
Jesus had the same message as the prophets of Israel and the apostles whom he taught.


Galatians 1

6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel;
7 which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!
9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

You need to study much deeper to see what God has promised the Jews.

If you don't look at the big picture how do you expect to be able to explain it.

you can start here, then go into the Old Testament.

Acts 3:24-25 King James Version (KJV)
24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Ephesians 3
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

 

[JaumeJ]

When God promised the Jews He was promising all who believe for all who belive Jesus-Yeshua are Jews by the translation of the word, Yehuda.

Until people understand what a true Jew is, they will never understand that all who believe are Israel..................

The Original Flock and that other Flock are made One by the Good Shepherd.

 

[rhern]

We are all one. There is one Gospel of The Kingdom. First to the Jew then to the Gentile.
To suggest that Jesus preached a different gospel to Paul is wrong.
Jesus had the same message as the prophets of Israel and the apostles whom he taught.


Galatians 1

6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel;
7 which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!
9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

Saved by Grace through faith only

Ephesians 2:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:



1 Corinthians 1:23 King James Version (KJV)
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;


Peter, who believe in the Law of Moses, of whom the crucifixion was a stumbling block to them said this:

Acts 2:38 King James Version (KJV)
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

...

 

[garee]

But in another thread you have vehemently maintained that it is a "Spiritual Kingdom" and that a literal Kingdom is false teaching.

And you quote the end of Isaiah Chapter 2 to invalidate verses 1-5. But the prophet clearly speaks of TWO different times. Verses 1-5 concern the "latter days" (lit. Heb.). Verses 6 to the end of the Chapter speak of the PRESENT. Isaiah first COMFORTS with a future solution to Israel's chastisement. Then, in verse 6 he turn to what they are DOING THEN.

But consider this,
2 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it."

How will the nations flow to the Lord's House if they have no breath?

3 "And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem."

Who are the "many people" who need to be taught the Lord's way? The Church is taught already. Israel will not need to be taught (Jer.31:31-33). That only leaves the Nations of verse 2. But you say they are all dead.

4 "And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."

Who are these NATIONS? They are rebuked by the Lord. Are dead men rebuked? They "beat". Do dead men change swords into agricultural implements? And who are the NATIONS (plural) who will not cause war anymore? Dead men? I think not.

Isaiah 2:2-4 shows a literal period of time when the God of Jacob will dwell in a literal House in ZION and teach literal Nations who, because war is forbidden by this God of Jacob, reform their weapons into agricultural implements because the harvests are so big (Amos 9:11-13).

Yes we are in the latter days they began when the veil was rent it signified the flesh of the first born called our bloody husband . The sign of circummsion had come.

Acts 2:16-18 King James Version (KJV) But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

Twice to emphasize the timing.

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists (plural) ; whereby we know that it is the last time.

 

[Corban]

Which is why I posted those Scriptures. IF you are speaking of the New Earth after Judgement, then read the Scriptures again, because that is what I believe.

As I said, I have no problem with you believing as you wish......BUT.......when that last Trump sounds, and the Eastern Sky splits, and Christ descends in all His Glory with the Saints that have gone before, I'm gonna be "changed in the blink of an eye, and caught up to be with Him forever in Heaven."

So, I will not be on that New Earth, but if that is where you want to spend eternity, that's ok with me.

Thank you for your reply. Fair enough. Your belief is noted. Take care brother and God bless.

 

[Corban]

It is a literal, tangible, yet 100% a (Spiritual Kingdom)

The angels that destroyed Sodom were tangible and eternal, and they ate physical earthly food, yet "Spiritually Eternal"

The word "spiritual" has tow meanings:

1. It is spirit in substance - like God is a Spirit (Jn.4:24)
2. It has its ORIGIN in the Holy Spirit - that is, the Holy Spirit was its Maker - like the spiritual gifts of 1st Corinthians 12

If you say a Kingdom is spiritual, and mean that it was created and sustained by the Holy Spirit (point # 2 above), you are correct and we agree. But then you also have to agree that the 1,000 years is a literal and physical time initiated and sustained by the same Holy Spirit. Either the coming Kingdom is physical and all that pertains to it is physical and thus literal, or it is ALL allegorical.