This Corona virus pandemic could be the weapon that takes our liberties away , all in the name of saving lives?

[iamsoandso]

I don't even get why all of this is being discussed in this much detail. Research, no research. Antibodies, no antibodies. Pre-existing conditions, no pre-existing conditions. It doesn't matter. COVID is present and is doing damage to people of all ages, young and old. Regardless of what it shows, there is a chance you, your kids, your parents, your nieces, your nephews, your spouses will get it. And the outcome may not be great. So just do your part to prevent it and avoid that situation for yourself and other people.

I am not denying fact-checking and looking into the stats/research yourself ~ I am just saying that it shouldn't matter what it says, because regardless it exists everywhere. And people need to be cautious, no matter what the websites say.

I know the media is crazy, but for those of you saying this is hysteria and being played up, MY GOSH. Go say that to children who have lost parents or grandparents over this disease. Go say that to nurses who have watched people die on their shift time. Go tell that to the family of the young lady who committed suicide because the overwhelming number of it all stressed her out too much. I am amazed when people think the numbers are fake and not real. Do you think this is a joke? Lives are serious.

THIS ISNT FAKE. THIS ISNT HYPE. IT IS REAL. Take it seriously.

IF it causes permanent damage even in the young and healthy and our antibodies don't cause herd immunity then everyone will catch it and recover or die. Then if it causes damage to our internal organs and there's no herd immunity we will catch it again but that time we have c-19 caused preexisting conditions from the first time we caught it and it will be worse. If we make it through the second time our organs will be damaged even more and that will happen until we die from it. That may take years to play out, it depends on how well you protect yourself but it will eventually kill everyone who repeatedly catches it. I said this because you said you didn't see the importance of why we were discussing antibodies,herd immunity ect. so not to scare you but to explain why. Be careful,don't catch it.

 

[tourist]

lol, so you want them to do an autopsy on an asymptomatic patient who is still alive?

It would be a learning experience for sure.

 

[tourist]

If a gunshot victim who tested positive for corona was admitted and subsequently died in the hospital from the sustained injuries would that patient then be classified as a victim of coronavirus?

 

[iamsoandso]

If a gunshot victim who tested positive for corona was admitted and subsequently died in the hospital from the sustained injuries would that patient then be classified as a victim of coronavirus?

George Floyd tested positive in his autopsy.

 

[iamsoandso]

It would be a learning experience for sure.

I felt ashamed after I posted that and stopped. The next morning after thinking things through I realized that I should post studies of those cases i was ask about.

 

[tourist]

George Floyd tested positive in his autopsy.

I wonder if his death was misclassified as a coronavirus death?

 

[iamsoandso]

I wonder if his death was misclassified as a coronavirus death?

Well as far as we are told it was murder.

 

[tourist]

Well as far as we are told it was murder.

It most certainly was murder.

 

[iamsoandso]

It most certainly was murder.

Seeing things biblical led me to research the death toll of the 1918-1919 pandemic. The actual death toll ranges between 50 million to 250 million it just depends on who and how the numbers are being spoken of. That did not make sense at first but what was taking place during ww1 had many soldiers in the hospitals from wounds from action. There were many civilians being wounded and killed also and so the hospitals were being overrun.

Then the pandemic broke out and those patients were put in the hospitals that were already filled with soldiers,civilians ect. with different ailments. Then they all became ill from the swine flu and the the war ended. At that time mankind's technology(ships) enabled them to ship infected troops back to the nations they were from and so it spread everywhere. If you look at those numbers they know about 250 million people died in that time span worldwide but from what?

They seem to have done just what your thinking,,"did they die two months after being wounded in action or would they have been fine but caught the swine flu? Did they have a heart attack and die from it or did they have one go to the hospital and catch swine flu?" It seems anytime an event like a pandemic takes place the causes of death are difficult to keep track of.

 

[soggykitten]

Just happened on these updates to share. Vaccine Nationalism. What a phrase.
USA Today 'No one is safe until everyone is safe': Vaccine nationalism threatens global coronavirus effort

Politico Vaccine makers' 'no profit' pledge stirs doubts in Congress

 

[StrugglingTilMyReward]

Just search the www for what your asking but look at the sources(shy away from conspiracy sites)
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea...s/coronavirus-kidney-damage-caused-by-covid19

This is the most perplexing aspect of this virus, especially for those who believe decisions on things like public policy need to be based on evidence.

Your quoted article says this:

"Some people suffering with severe cases of COVID-19 are showing signs of kidney damage, even those who had no underlying kidney problems before they were infected...."

And therein lies the problem, most people don't suffer severe cases. Studies done in numerous US states and in several countries show that the number of people infected with SARS-Cov-2 is exponentially higher than the identified case number because most never get tested for the simple reason that the virus doesn't make them sick. The actual infection rate has been shown to be typically 10 to 20 times higher than the number identified through testing.

I think what needs to happen is for health authorities to develop a spectrum of risk, you've probably seen something similar that is done to determine a person's risk of developing diabetes. Just spit ballign I've come up with this:

Age factors:

Under 40 - 0 points. 40-60 years = 1 point. 60-70 = 3 points 80+ = 8 points

Minor Health factors:

Type A blood = 2 points Clinically obese = 3 points Asthma = 3 points Vitamin D deficient = 5 points

Major Health factors

Diabetes = 5 points, Cardiovascular disease 10 points, Cancer = 10 points, Chronic Kidney Disease = 10 points, Autoimmune disorders like Lupus = 10 points.

You get the idea....as I say, I'm just spit balling this idea and it needs more informed research, but then a model that would say those who are at 5 or less points, the risk is very low, 5-10 low, 10-15 high and anything 15 or higher extremely high.......

 

[Nehemiah6]

I think what needs to happen is for health authorities to develop a spectrum of risk...

You should be aware by now that the health authorities have been THOROUGHLY CORRUPTED AND COMPROMISED regarding Wuhan virus.

They are colluding with the conspirators to prevent the truth from coming out. Take some time to investigate ALL the conservative news sources and what they have published since January 2020. Everything that has been said by the so-called *medical experts* has been bogus.

On top of that they have DELIBERATELY lied about the effectiveness of HCQ/erythromycin/zinc sulfate and the non-effectiveness of Remdesivir. Billions of dollars are involved. Supposedly reputable medical journals such as the Lancet and the New England Medical Journal (NEJM) have published rubbish. Lancet had to retract their garbage regarding HCQ. So please do not expect the health authorities to give you any truth.

Now it is up to individuals to investigate how seriously the Trump administration was compromised from the get-go, so that fear-mongering and panic would result in the total collapse of society. I have written about the Tyranny of Masking in the Christian Family Forum, and it has been generally ignored. The masks in general use are TOTALLY USELESS. Furthermore masking is not for those who are healthy. And the highest quality anti-viral masks are not generally available.

Traditionally ordinary citizens have treated doctors as gods (more or less). And that attitude continues against the best interests of the general public. Doctors and Big Pharma are colluding to keep cheap and effective drugs from reaching those who need them. Therefore HCQ has been under severe attack.

 

[iamsoandso]

This is the most perplexing aspect of this virus, especially for those who believe decisions on things like public policy need to be based on evidence.

Your quoted article says this:

"Some people suffering with severe cases of COVID-19 are showing signs of kidney damage, even those who had no underlying kidney problems before they were infected...."

And therein lies the problem, most people don't suffer severe cases. Studies done in numerous US states and in several countries show that the number of people infected with SARS-Cov-2 is exponentially higher than the identified case number because most never get tested for the simple reason that the virus doesn't make them sick. The actual infection rate has been shown to be typically 10 to 20 times higher than the number identified through testing.

I think what needs to happen is for health authorities to develop a spectrum of risk, you've probably seen something similar that is done to determine a person's risk of developing diabetes. Just spit ballign I've come up with this:

Age factors:

Under 40 - 0 points. 40-60 years = 1 point. 60-70 = 3 points 80+ = 8 points

Minor Health factors:

Type A blood = 2 points Clinically obese = 3 points Asthma = 3 points Vitamin D deficient = 5 points

Major Health factors

Diabetes = 5 points, Cardiovascular disease 10 points, Cancer = 10 points, Chronic Kidney Disease = 10 points, Autoimmune disorders like Lupus = 10 points.

You get the idea....as I say, I'm just spit balling this idea and it needs more informed research, but then a model that would say those who are at 5 or less points, the risk is very low, 5-10 low, 10-15 high and anything 15 or higher extremely high.......

Don't take this wrong but any type of chart of risk factors would be a moving target. What I mean is it might be accurate and apply for the first time a person catches c-19 but if we catch it over and over then each time we catch it it will damage our internal organs. So how long it will take to kill everyone would be dependent on how much damage is done each time we catch it.

Please see post #1341 and note that I am saying "if" in bold because if these studies are correct and our antibodies fall off in a few months and it damages our internal organs each time we catch it then over the next ten or more years it will reduce the earths population from 8-9 billion into the millions and then because those few people will be more spread out it will go away.

 

[StrugglingTilMyReward]

Don't take this wrong but any type of chart of risk factors would be a moving target. What I mean is it might be accurate and apply for the first time a person catches c-19 but if we catch it over and over then each time we catch it it will damage our internal organs. So how long it will take to kill everyone would be dependent on how much damage is done each time we catch it.

Please see post #1341 and note that I am saying "if" in bold because if these studies are correct and our antibodies fall off in a few months and it damages our internal organs each time we catch it then over the next ten or more years it will reduce the earths population from 8-9 billion into the millions and then because those few people will be more spread out it will go away.

I haven't seen any research showing that with each infection that there is organ damage....the only things I've seen is the complications in the minority of people for whom Covid is either serious or deadly, not on the asymptomatic or even those with only mild symptoms.

I do agree there is still a lot we don't know, I've said before that we're punching blind....now I don't think we're completely in the dark but there is a lot we don't know. There has been some research done that some asymptomatic carriers experience temporary lung damage, similar to what happens with other respitory infections....

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsa...-dont-fully-understand-the-label-asymptomatic

I wonder if I myself may have already had it.....50+ and a smoker, but with no underlying health issues of which I'm aware. This pandemic has made me far more cognizant of getting exercise, eating right and getting plenty of sunshine for Vitamin D.

 

[iamsoandso]

I haven't seen any research showing that with each infection that there is organ damage....the only things I've seen is the complications in the minority of people for whom Covid is either serious or deadly, not on the asymptomatic or even those with only mild symptoms.

I do agree there is still a lot we don't know, I've said before that we're punching blind....now I don't think we're completely in the dark but there is a lot we don't know. There has been some research done that some asymptomatic carriers experience temporary lung damage, similar to what happens with other respitory infections....

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsa...-dont-fully-understand-the-label-asymptomatic

I wonder if I myself may have already had it.....50+ and a smoker, but with no underlying health issues of which I'm aware. This pandemic has made me far more cognizant of getting exercise, eating right and getting plenty of sunshine for Vitamin D.

Yes it's the things we don't yet know about this, antibodies,herd immunity,amount of damage after recovery ect. but there are the ones who currently have caught it in this upswing in cases and so afterwards they will have them to examine.

Remember that just like touching your mask and then your face could spread this smokers touch their mouth every time they puff and it is the same as the mask touching issue so be careful.

 

[StrugglingTilMyReward]

Yes it's the things we don't yet know about this, antibodies,herd immunity,amount of damage after recovery ect. but there are the ones who currently have caught it in this upswing in cases and so afterwards they will have them to examine.

Remember that just like touching your mask and then your face could spread this smokers touch their mouth every time they puff and it is the same as the mask touching issue so be careful.

I was against mandatory masking for this very reason, but it became mandatory in my area starting on Monday....in spite of the fact that my region has zero active identified cases. Up until yesterday masking was voluntary, and my own best guess is that no more than 25% chose to wear them in places like the grocery store. Just about a week ago I saw a lady with glasses on, she lowered her mask to read the expiry date on a loaf of bread, then put it back....ugh. I also saw a person reach under their mask to wet their fingers in order to open one of those annoying plastic produce bags....

Now with masks required where I live indoors I think we're going to see outbreaks......this is a virus and there are just too many vectors for transmission.

 

[iamsoandso]

I was against mandatory masking for this very reason, but it became mandatory in my area starting on Monday....in spite of the fact that my region has zero active identified cases. Up until yesterday masking was voluntary, and my own best guess is that no more than 25% chose to wear them in places like the grocery store. Just about a week ago I saw a lady with glasses on, she lowered her mask to read the expiry date on a loaf of bread, then put it back....ugh. I also saw a person reach under their mask to wet their fingers in order to open one of those annoying plastic produce bags....

Now with masks required where I live indoors I think we're going to see outbreaks......this is a virus and there are just too many vectors for transmission.

Yes proper donning of a medical mask is something the average person knows very little about. There are many I have noticed that snatch them off and shove them in their pockets/purse ect. as soon as they come out of the stores. I think "wow they believe it's on the mask but aren't smart enough to realize they shoved c-19 in their pocket". Now when they reach in there to get their keys they will put it on the door,the steering wheel, shifter ect. and in short order in their nose and mouth.

For the most part anyone who is defiant over the mask order's are going to do as you described and pull them down in spite without paying attention to what they are doing. Me and my wife take a washrag and dip it in bleach/h20 and carry it with us so we can wipe our hands and only touch the ear straps. we put the mask into a gallon baggy and bleach them when we get home. I feel sorry for them when I see them doing what you described because I realize that they will most probably be in the second or third waves of death but maybe a few of them will come around.

 

[soggykitten]

This should probably go here. Today.

 

[Absolutely]

Yes proper donning of a medical mask is something the average person knows very little about. There are many I have noticed that snatch them off and shove them in their pockets/purse ect. as soon as they come out of the stores. I think "wow they believe it's on the mask but aren't smart enough to realize they shoved c-19 in their pocket". Now when they reach in there to get their keys they will put it on the door,the steering wheel, shifter ect. and in short order in their nose and mouth.

For the most part anyone who is defiant over the mask order's are going to do as you described and pull them down in spite without paying attention to what they are doing. Me and my wife take a washrag and dip it in bleach/h20 and carry it with us so we can wipe our hands and only touch the ear straps. we put the mask into a gallon baggy and bleach them when we get home. I feel sorry for them when I see them doing what you described because I realize that they will most probably be in the second or third waves of death but maybe a few of them will come around.

There is no virus on the mask unless you are sick.

Healthy people with masks is a placebo.

 

[iamsoandso]

There is no virus on the mask unless you are sick.

Healthy people with masks is a placebo.

I'll be as patient with you my friend as I can at the moment. I live in Tyler county county Texas My children live in Montgomery county Texas,Harris county,Brazoria county and Polk county. So far three members are positive and six are being tested. I suppose this has not yet knocked on your front door and so you still have the luxury of pretending it is not real but I no longer have that luxury. All I can do is suggest you rethink your position about this and if you take it good, but if not well I'm telling you it will knock on your front door too.