Walking By The Spirit

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Blain

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What are these spirit things that are inside of us?

Some teach they are little seeds waiting for the return of Christ and others teach they are full grown all over the cells of our bodies. In the Scriptures we see they are referred to as spirit, holy spirit, comforter, and Christ in us. And that kind a makes me wonder whatever these spirit things are, they do seem to be tied close to the Christ.

I was taught they are what God is... only with a small "s" because they are part of what He is. Therefore, we can say "greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world." So what are these holy things that are able to give us everlasting life?

Also a lot is said about people who had these things or were filled with them or were able to talk by them, such as speaking by the spirit. Well, then who was speaking? The human or these things? I was taught God or Christ was showing me something when I walk by the spirit. Maybe it's the spirit showing me something when I walk by the spirit.

In Romans 8:4, it's suggesting we walk after or by this spirit. In Romans 8:9, it calls this spirit the spirit of Christ. In Romans 8:11, it calls this spirit the spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead and that it dwells in us.

In 1 Corinthians 3:16, it calls it the spirit of God that dwells in us. In Galatians 4:6, it's called the spirit of his son. And in Galatians 5:16, it talks about walking in this spirit.

Very few Christians know who they are in the spirit because most of us have been taught by our religious leaders that we are sinners by nature. And in my view that is just the opposite of what the Scriptures teach.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
If you speak by the spirit it is his tongue, if you see by the spirit it is his eyes, if you walk by the spirit it is by his feet. Who we are in the spirit is really how willing we are, it is by the same spirit that all gifts are given and done and he uses those who are willing.

Saying most don't know who they are in the spirit is not just presumptious but not true at all especially if the reasoning is teachers leaders or man in general because there are actually some amazing ones out there but not only that we are formed and made in him by him and for him his spirit speaks and our hearts hear it his hands mold and our souls are formed by it.
 

Nehemiah6

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Very few Christians know who they are in the spirit because most of us have been taught by our religious leaders that we are sinners by nature. And in my view that is just the opposite of what the Scriptures teach.
You continue to flounder around in confusion, even after the truth is shown to you. How do you know "very few Christians know who they are in the spirit"?

You have been shown several times from Scripture that even after a sinner is saved by grace, and has received the gift of the Holy Spirit, the old Adamic sin nature (called "the flesh") is NOT eradicated. But those who are saved are saints, not sinners, and nobody teaches the nonsense you are claiming is being taught by "our religious leaders".

As to the indwelling Holy Spirit, you must always capitalize Spirit when it refers to God the Holy Spirit. At the time that one receives the Holy Spirit, the Spirit quickens (or brings to life) our dead spirits, and dwells within the spirit. But the spirit is not the soul, neither is the soul the spirit. But they are very closely joined together. The flesh is within the soul (or "the heart of man") but the Holy Spirit is within the spirit.

Furthermore there is a CONFLICT between the indwelling Spirit and the flesh. And this is clearly explained in Galatians 5. However, you have been on a crusade to claim that you are sinless, and do not have the flesh within yourself. That is called DELUSION. Even Paul never made the claim that he was sinlessly perfect.

To "walk in the Spirit" is to be totally under the control and direction of the indwelling Holy Spirit, which then results in the fruits of the Spirit and the manifestation of the gifts of the Spirit. But the supreme gift of the Spirit is agape love -- divine love in action.
 
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When I came here I thought I could handle the meat of the Word with folks. But they keep dragging me back down to the milk. And that's what is taking so much time.
I do not believe you understand what is milk of the word.

According to 1 Cor 3:1-2 and 1 Cor 2:1-2, the milk of the Word is Jesus Christ and Him crucified.



 
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n the new covenant, we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ, who entered into heaven itself to appear in the holy of holies, the sacred chamber of the heart of God’s glorious presence for us. Jesus Christ is the promised seed and faithful High Priest, who fulfilled all the law, and is set between God and us—because he is connected to both sides, and thereby he is able to work with God and with us. My mind boggles over God’s heart of love, His compassion, and the tenderness to have Jesus Christ, who is the greatest food of all time, the bread of life, to establish a true and vital spiritual relationship between God and us.
I understand we enter into the heavenly Holy of Holies ... the true tabernacle the Lord pitched and not man ... and we come boldly before the throne of grace that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

The new covenant also states (from your Post #15):

"I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts."

What laws does God put into the mind and write in the heart of the born again one?

And how does that truth square with 1 Tim 1:9 where God tells us knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient?



 

Prycejosh1987

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I think spirit is related to conscience, it is conscience that is designed for our good and morals. The spirit wills against the flesh, which is the heart which is desperately evil.
 
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I understand we enter into the heavenly Holy of Holies ... the true tabernacle the Lord pitched and not man ... and we come boldly before the throne of grace that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

The new covenant also states (from your Post #15):

"I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts."

What laws does God put into the mind and write in the heart of the born again one?

And how does that truth square with 1 Tim 1:9 where God tells us knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient?
Throughout the Old Testament a temporary atonement for sins had been made available by way of the death of animals sacrificed annually by the High Priest. He was the only one allowed to enter into the holiest part of the Temple that symbolized the very heart of God’s presence. The High Priest would make the atonement with blood for the sin offering upon the horns that were on the altar in the most sacred chamber of the Temple. It was the holiest ceremony performed annually and carried out in service to the Lord.

Hebrews 9:8-9
The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

The offering of the animals under the Old Testament Law had only temporary effects, and thereby had to be offered year after year. In the new covenant, we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ, who entered into the holy of holies, the glorious presence of God’s heart once and for all.

Hebrews 9:10
Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

Hebrews 9:11-14
But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Hebrews 9:15-21
And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.

For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,

Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

Moreover he sprikled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.

Hebrews 9:22
And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

It's the blood that was used on the altar to make the atonement for their souls because the life of the flesh is in the blood. And since the covenant with Israel was a covenant of blood that made the atonement for the soul, it put Israel into the category where God said He would protect them, and He would not be the one who would break the covenant of blood. There are certain universal immutable laws that were established by God for the legal requirement of the shedding of blood for redemption. Since human blood had become corrupt, it was necessary that blood be shed for remission of sin, and this is why it's a legal requirement set forth in God’s Word.

Hebrews 9:23-10:4
It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats should take away sins.

Righteousness could have come by the Old Testament Law if there had been a law given that would have given life. But the Bible clearly teaches that everyone was under sin, without God and without hope, until “the promise” that came by the faith of Jesus Christ was made available to us who believe. God never really had any pleasure in burnt offerings and sacrifices, but there was just no other way at the time to cover up for the nature of human sin.

But now in the new covenant, we are not just covered up, but we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ, who entered into the holy of holies, the glorious presence of God’s heart once and for all. Jesus Christ in being the ultimate sacrificial lamb had only to fulfill God’s specifications for the Passover.

The High Priest was the head of the priesthood, functioning as the head of the Temple, and the official representative between God and Israel. To carry out such a responsibility he was forbidden any impure contact that might defile him. Only he could enter once a year in the innermost part of the sanctuary of the Temple, known as the holy of holies where the sacred Ark of the Covenant was kept, to proclaim divine revelations, having the exclusive privilege of consulting God directly. Appeal to him could be made in any matter because he exercised supreme authority over the worship and the Temple, as the mediator between God and Israel.

Jesus Christ is the perfect High Priest, who took upon himself the sins of the entire world, and is the mediator of the new covenant between God and us. The Temple was a temporary place where one would go for divine blessing in building form, but now it is in Christ, who is a permanent place, where one needs to go for divine blessing because of the new covenant God has with Christ.

In the new covenant, we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ, who entered into heaven itself to appear in the holy of holies, the sacred chamber of the heart of God’s glorious presence for us. Jesus Christ is the promised seed and faithful High Priest, who fulfilled all the law, and is set between God and us—because he is connected to both sides, and thereby he is able to work with God and with us. My mind boggles over God’s heart of love, His compassion, and the tenderness to have Jesus Christ, who is the greatest food of all time, the bread of life, to establish a true and vital spiritual relationship between God and us.
 
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I do not believe you understand what is milk of the word.

According to 1 Cor 3:1-2 and 1 Cor 2:1-2, the milk of the Word is Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
Babes have to be fed with milk because they can't handle the strong meat was the Scripture I was thinking of.
 
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Babes have to be fed with milk because they can't handle the strong meat was the Scripture I was thinking of.
I understand that. And I showed you what Scripture tells us is the milk of the word ... Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

We were not discussing Jesus Christ and Him crucified. I replied to a message wherein you claim you did not read all of Post #3 because as you stated in Post #6, you "did not read any further than what [Deurteronmy] wrote about Jews and Greeks because [you're] neither of those two groups".

It turns out that you would have totally agreed with Deuteronomy if you had read his full reply ... see your Post #10.

You then claimed that your un-Christ-like reply to Deuteronomy was because you receive too many messages (your Post #16) which is due solely to the fact that you start new threads without waiting for discussion to develop in the prior thread. So you are the source of your own dilemma about which you complain.

Now you claim that you can't discuss with believers here on CC because you "thought [you] could handle handle the meat of the Word with folks. But [we] keep dragging [you] back down to the milk. And that's what is taking so much time" ... which is nothing but hogwash because all of the threads you start go beyond the scope of Jesus Christ and Him crucified.



So, you state that the "strong meat" you were referring to was:

Hebrews 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.


Do you know what are the first principles of the oracles of God??? ... and, fyi, I believe all the threads you start go beyond the scope of this issue as well.

In addition, believers here are more than capable of discussing the strong meat you would like to discuss ... if you would fully read replies to your points, you just might find yourself enjoying ongoing discussion of the strong meat (and learning a great deal from your wonderful brothers and sisters in Christ).



 

Blain

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Babes have to be fed with milk because they can't handle the strong meat was the Scripture I was thinking of.
Yeah that is true but you seem to think you are the one who eats the meat and we drink the milk.
Do you have any idea how arrogant you sound saying how you thought you could enjoy the meat of the word with people here but we keep bringing you down to the milk?

How can you claim to be able to chew meat when you think you have graduated from the bible? how can you claim not be able to have anything other than milk when you spout your own truth insight knowledge and ability yet plug your ears to scripture wise council and truth?

At least babes who require milk take wise council from others, at the very least they do not think they are more insightful wise or better than others in that respect you are less than a babe.
Who are you to judge anyone elses heart? what makes you qualified to think yourself higher than anyone else?

The Pharisees were the exact same, they thought themselves more knowledgable and more insightful than anyone else, they taught the scriptures but were blind to their own folly they looked down on Jesus because he called them out on their folly and even then when he spoke the truth the scriptures gave them wise council that had they taken it to heart might have changed but no they refused to listen and kept doing all of this.

They too were arrogant prideful and oblivious to their lack of understanding they were teachers but not learners they were speakers but not listeners.

You need to stop passive aggresively belittling and speaking ill of everyone here because I will not stand for it, it is one thing to be unlearned and ignorant but in every thread you make you do this in some way or another you lift yourself up and belittle anyone who doesn't agree with you.

If you are going to continue to do this and will not listen listen then point all your accusations and remarks at me and leave everyone else out of it.
There are many very wise amazing and insightful people on here, people who have shown the spirit in their words who have spoken love wisdom and sound teaching many who I can never imagine reaching their level and you are always acting as if you are any better than anyone else and your not.

I do not want to report you as I have enjoyed some of the things you have said but if you continue to keep attacking everyone in the guise of teaching I will
 
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Throughout the Old Testament a temporary atonement for sins had been made available by way of the death of animals sacrificed annually by the High Priest. He was the only one allowed to enter into the holiest part of the Temple that symbolized the very heart of God’s presence. The High Priest would make the atonement with blood for the sin offering upon the horns that were on the altar in the most sacred chamber of the Temple. It was the holiest ceremony performed annually and carried out in service to the Lord.

Hebrews 9:8-9
The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

The offering of the animals under the Old Testament Law had only temporary effects, and thereby had to be offered year after year. In the new covenant, we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ, who entered into the holy of holies, the glorious presence of God’s heart once and for all.

Hebrews 9:10
Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

Hebrews 9:11-14
But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Hebrews 9:15-21
And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.

For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,

Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

Moreover he sprikled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.

Hebrews 9:22
And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

It's the blood that was used on the altar to make the atonement for their souls because the life of the flesh is in the blood. And since the covenant with Israel was a covenant of blood that made the atonement for the soul, it put Israel into the category where God said He would protect them, and He would not be the one who would break the covenant of blood. There are certain universal immutable laws that were established by God for the legal requirement of the shedding of blood for redemption. Since human blood had become corrupt, it was necessary that blood be shed for remission of sin, and this is why it's a legal requirement set forth in God’s Word.

Hebrews 9:23-10:4
It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats should take away sins.

Righteousness could have come by the Old Testament Law if there had been a law given that would have given life. But the Bible clearly teaches that everyone was under sin, without God and without hope, until “the promise” that came by the faith of Jesus Christ was made available to us who believe. God never really had any pleasure in burnt offerings and sacrifices, but there was just no other way at the time to cover up for the nature of human sin.

But now in the new covenant, we are not just covered up, but we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ, who entered into the holy of holies, the glorious presence of God’s heart once and for all. Jesus Christ in being the ultimate sacrificial lamb had only to fulfill God’s specifications for the Passover.

The High Priest was the head of the priesthood, functioning as the head of the Temple, and the official representative between God and Israel. To carry out such a responsibility he was forbidden any impure contact that might defile him. Only he could enter once a year in the innermost part of the sanctuary of the Temple, known as the holy of holies where the sacred Ark of the Covenant was kept, to proclaim divine revelations, having the exclusive privilege of consulting God directly. Appeal to him could be made in any matter because he exercised supreme authority over the worship and the Temple, as the mediator between God and Israel.

Jesus Christ is the perfect High Priest, who took upon himself the sins of the entire world, and is the mediator of the new covenant between God and us. The Temple was a temporary place where one would go for divine blessing in building form, but now it is in Christ, who is a permanent place, where one needs to go for divine blessing because of the new covenant God has with Christ.

In the new covenant, we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ, who entered into heaven itself to appear in the holy of holies, the sacred chamber of the heart of God’s glorious presence for us. Jesus Christ is the promised seed and faithful High Priest, who fulfilled all the law, and is set between God and us—because he is connected to both sides, and thereby he is able to work with God and with us. My mind boggles over God’s heart of love, His compassion, and the tenderness to have Jesus Christ, who is the greatest food of all time, the bread of life, to establish a true and vital spiritual relationship between God and us.
None of what you have written answers the question, Peterlag.

Again, I ask:

The new covenant also states (from your Post #15):

"I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts."

What laws does God put into the mind and write in the heart of the born again one?

And how does that truth square with 1 Tim 1:9 where God tells us knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient?



Clearly, those who partake of the new covenant are righteous. God gives us a new heart, replacing our heart of stone with a new heart. We have the mind of Christ. In new covenant, God puts His laws into our minds and writes them in our hearts.

And yet, in 1 Tim 1:9 God says the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient. It's a really interesting conundrum, wouldn't you say?



 
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You continue to flounder around in confusion, even after the truth is shown to you. How do you know "very few Christians know who they are in the spirit"?

You have been shown several times from Scripture that even after a sinner is saved by grace, and has received the gift of the Holy Spirit, the old Adamic sin nature (called "the flesh") is NOT eradicated. But those who are saved are saints, not sinners, and nobody teaches the nonsense you are claiming is being taught by "our religious leaders".

As to the indwelling Holy Spirit, you must always capitalize Spirit when it refers to God the Holy Spirit. At the time that one receives the Holy Spirit, the Spirit quickens (or brings to life) our dead spirits, and dwells within the spirit. But the spirit is not the soul, neither is the soul the spirit. But they are very closely joined together. The flesh is within the soul (or "the heart of man") but the Holy Spirit is within the spirit.

Furthermore there is a CONFLICT between the indwelling Spirit and the flesh. And this is clearly explained in Galatians 5. However, you have been on a crusade to claim that you are sinless, and do not have the flesh within yourself. That is called DELUSION. Even Paul never made the claim that he was sinlessly perfect.

To "walk in the Spirit" is to be totally under the control and direction of the indwelling Holy Spirit, which then results in the fruits of the Spirit and the manifestation of the gifts of the Spirit. But the supreme gift of the Spirit is agape love -- divine love in action.
If the old Adamic sin nature (called "the flesh") is NOT eradicated and this is believed by most Christians. Then I rest my case. Most Christians do not understand who they are in Christ.
 
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If you speak by the spirit it is his tongue, if you see by the spirit it is his eyes, if you walk by the spirit it is by his feet. Who we are in the spirit is really how willing we are, it is by the same spirit that all gifts are given and done and he uses those who are willing.

Saying most don't know who they are in the spirit is not just presumptious but not true at all especially if the reasoning is teachers leaders or man in general because there are actually some amazing ones out there but not only that we are formed and made in him by him and for him his spirit speaks and our hearts hear it his hands mold and our souls are formed by it.
Most Christians believe the spirit of Christ makes their flesh spiritual. Yes that is a true statement. They then go ahead and try to clean up their flesh daily believing that they still have a sin nature. That's what I'm hearing from everyone here. And so since that is not true that we still have a sin nature is why I can say most Christians do not know who they are in Christ.
 
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None of what you have written answers the question, Peterlag.

Again, I ask:

The new covenant also states (from your Post #15):

"I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts."

What laws does God put into the mind and write in the heart of the born again one?

And how does that truth square with 1 Tim 1:9 where God tells us knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient?


Clearly, those who partake of the new covenant are righteous. God gives us a new heart, replacing our heart of stone with a new heart. We have the mind of Christ. In new covenant, God puts His laws into our minds and writes them in our hearts.

And yet, in 1 Tim 1:9 God says the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient. It's a really interesting conundrum, wouldn't you say?
I can't answer your question because I don't see one. It appears to always be 5 questions at once and I only answer one. And so you say I don't answer the question. Can you ask them one at a time?
 

Blain

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Most Christians believe the spirit of Christ makes their flesh spiritual. Yes that is a true statement. They then go ahead and try to clean up their flesh daily believing that they still have a sin nature. That's what I'm hearing from everyone here. And so since that is not true that we still have a sin nature is why I can say most Christians do not know who they are in Christ.
That is what you hear because you are not listening. There is a difference between hearing what someone says and listening.

Yes many here do believe that we being born again still struggle against sin but everyone here has also made it clear that it is not by their efforts that they overcome. We can try all we want to purge our bodies of sin but especially if it is by our own efforts we cannot hope to try, the body is not the body we were meant to have because it is only a temporary vessel
 
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I understand that. And I showed you what Scripture tells us is the milk of the word ... Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

We were not discussing Jesus Christ and Him crucified. I replied to a message wherein you claim you did not read all of Post #3 because as you stated in Post #6, you "did not read any further than what [Deurteronmy] wrote about Jews and Greeks because [you're] neither of those two groups".

It turns out that you would have totally agreed with Deuteronomy if you had read his full reply ... see your Post #10.

You then claimed that your un-Christ-like reply to Deuteronomy was because you receive too many messages (your Post #16) which is due solely to the fact that you start new threads without waiting for discussion to develop in the prior thread. So you are the source of your own dilemma about which you complain.

Now you claim that you can't discuss with believers here on CC because you "thought [you] could handle handle the meat of the Word with folks. But [we] keep dragging [you] back down to the milk. And that's what is taking so much time" ... which is nothing but hogwash because all of the threads you start go beyond the scope of Jesus Christ and Him crucified.



So, you state that the "strong meat" you were referring to was:

Hebrews 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.


Do you know what are the first principles of the oracles of God??? ... and, fyi, I believe all the threads you start go beyond the scope of this issue as well.

In addition, believers here are more than capable of discussing the strong meat you would like to discuss ... if you would fully read replies to your points, you just might find yourself enjoying ongoing discussion of the strong meat (and learning a great deal from your wonderful brothers and sisters in Christ).
I get a few good replies every now and again but not any lately.
 
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That is what you hear because you are not listening. There is a difference between hearing what someone says and listening.

Yes many here do believe that we being born again still struggle against sin but everyone here has also made it clear that it is not by their efforts that they overcome. We can try all we want to purge our bodies of sin but especially if it is by our own efforts we cannot hope to try, the body is not the body we were meant to have because it is only a temporary vessel
I don't have an once of struggling against sin. None.
 

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I don't have an once of struggling against sin. None.
Not that you are aware of, do you think the Pharisees saw sin in themselves? They were blind to their own folly they were sinful but they thought themselves to be pure. Just because you don't see it or believe you don't sin doesn't mean you don't.

The enemy is crafty like that he will make you think you are not in fault and will blind you to your own folly it is a common tactict of his he wants us to to think we are without sin he wants us to not be aware of our mistakes so that we will not repent of them.

The heart is a tricky thing it can become prideful not even on purpose and when a prideful heart comes so does the unrepentant heart, the humble in heart are aware of their sins and folly they search their hearts daily.

Do you recall how Jesus spoke of the pharisee and tax collecter? the Pharisee said to god how he thanked him he was not like everyone else but the tax collecter dared not even look to the sky in his tears said forgive me for I am a sinner only the humble tax collecter was seen as good and rightous because he was humble he admited he was a sinner
 
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I can't answer your question because I don't see one. It appears to always be 5 questions at once and I only answer one. And so you say I don't answer the question. Can you ask them one at a time?
The new covenant also states (from your Post #15):

"For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts."

What laws does God put into the mind and write in the heart of the born again one?



 
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Most Christians believe the spirit of Christ makes their flesh spiritual. Yes that is a true statement.
No, that is not a true statement.

What is a true statement is that you believe most christians believe the spirit of Christ makes their flesh spiritual. That is what you believe. That is not what most christians believe. I have known many christians over many decades and I have never heard any one say what you have posted.

And to be honest, I thought you thought your flesh was spiritual in all your yammering about how you don't sin (or maybe it's can't sin) ...




Peterlag said:
They then go ahead and try to clean up their flesh daily believing that they still have a sin nature. That's what I'm hearing from everyone here. And so since that is not true that we still have a sin nature is why I can say most Christians do not know who they are in Christ.
I think it is more a matter of not really understanding that our being tempted is not sin. The systems of this world are set up to constantly and continually bombard us (tempt us) with things that serve only to stir up our fleshly desires (lusts of the flesh).

God warns us over and over in His Word about this and He tells us He is with us always, He never forsakes us, He gives us all we need to overcome. :cool:

However, sometimes we stumble and fall. :cry:

And then we are reminded what man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it? And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing :love::love::love:




 
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No, that is not a true statement.

What is a true statement is that you believe most christians believe the spirit of Christ makes their flesh spiritual. That is what you believe. That is not what most christians believe. I have known many christians over many decades and I have never heard any one say what you have posted.

And to be honest, I thought you thought your flesh was spiritual in all your yammering about how you don't sin (or maybe it's can't sin) ...





I think it is more a matter of not really understanding that our being tempted is not sin. The systems of this world are set up to constantly and continually bombard us (tempt us) with things that serve only to stir up our fleshly desires (lusts of the flesh).

God warns us over and over in His Word about this and He tells us He is with us always, He never forsakes us, He gives us all we need to overcome. :cool:

However, sometimes we stumble and fall. :cry:

And then we are reminded what man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it? And when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders, rejoicing :love::love::love:
Most believers have been taught it's them, their mind, and therefore their flesh that should be involved in renewing their mind. I'm thinking it's the spirit of my mind that comes with a bit of an already renewed mind as I just get out of the way. Perhaps this is why a guy like Paul could say...

"I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me:"