My take on water baptism...
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So I think basically what you are trying to tell me is that, God's word has changed from the OT to the NT.
The moment one turns their bible, pass that blank page that separates Matthew to Revelations from the OT, all of God's word in that latter half are written to us.
Is that what you are trying to say?
The moment one turns their bible, pass that blank page that separates Matthew to Revelations from the OT, all of God's word in that latter half are written to us.
Is that what you are trying to say?
You do agree that, in the English language, "the days come" and "will make" must mean it is not made NOW correct?
Otherwise why would the author of Hebrews, who is writing to the Jews, use the words "will make"? You do agree that the book of Hebrews was written after the birth of the church in Acts?
As I said, you have to be willing to read the KJV English literally, to understand what I am saying.
Otherwise why would the author of Hebrews, who is writing to the Jews, use the words "will make"? You do agree that the book of Hebrews was written after the birth of the church in Acts?
As I said, you have to be willing to read the KJV English literally, to understand what I am saying.
Let me ask you this, Does the holy spirit come into an unrepented heart? Of course I am not saying we do not need to repent my question was to what he meant as I misunderstood him, He seemed to be say that our sins are washed away in water baptism and I asked him is that not what the blood of Jesus did, repentance is of the heart but water baptism is more of a declarion of repentance and dedication to God
Are you being deliberately obtuse? Nothing changed the "tense" of what was said, because it was a PROPHECY. It was spoken in future tense, because it had not happened yet, and would NOT happen until Jesus established his church. That quotation will always be in future tense, because of when it was written........ just like ALL prophecies are written. This isn't difficult... at least it shouldn't be.
No, when you replied to my post, I thought you were following up with the point I made about future tense, apparently you are not.
So you do agree that the new covenant has not come to pass as of now, since the nation Israel is currently blinded by God, as stated in Romans 11:25?
Or unless you believe in the doctrine of replacement theology, that us the Body of Christ has now become the house of Israel and the house of Judah?
So you do agree that the new covenant has not come to pass as of now, since the nation Israel is currently blinded by God, as stated in Romans 11:25?
Or unless you believe in the doctrine of replacement theology, that us the Body of Christ has now become the house of Israel and the house of Judah?
I've never given it any thought. On the surface, it sounds like Paul is saying that many of the Jews will not accept Jesus as the Messiah, and will hold onto their ethnic and spiritual "roots". Which, while sad, has no impact on the new Israel, or covenant participants... the symbolic "israel". All Israel.... the church, will be saved... Jews and Gentiles alike
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So you don't agree that the term Israel there in vs 25 refers to the nation Israel?
Acts 7 tells us Israel's leaders rejected the Holy spirit by killing Stephen.
And in the eyes of God, as the nation leaders go, so goes the entire nation.
2 Chronicles 12:1 – But when Rehoboam was firmly established and strong, he abandoned the Law of the Lord, and all Israel followed him in this sin.
1 Kings 15:33-34
In the third year of Asa king of Judah, Baasha the son of Ahijah became king over all Israel in Tirzah, and reigned twenty-four years. He did evil in the sight of the Lord, and walked in the way of Jeroboam, and in his sin by which he had made Israel sin.
Acts 7 tells us Israel's leaders rejected the Holy spirit by killing Stephen.
And in the eyes of God, as the nation leaders go, so goes the entire nation.
2 Chronicles 12:1 – But when Rehoboam was firmly established and strong, he abandoned the Law of the Lord, and all Israel followed him in this sin.
1 Kings 15:33-34
In the third year of Asa king of Judah, Baasha the son of Ahijah became king over all Israel in Tirzah, and reigned twenty-four years. He did evil in the sight of the Lord, and walked in the way of Jeroboam, and in his sin by which he had made Israel sin.
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Jesus from the tribe of Judah was used to represent the new order of a kingdom of priest (Melchizedek.) Previously the tribe of Levi.. . they died
Water is still used. We have a better high Priest one without beginning or end of days
The unbelieving faithless Jew wanted to know why Jesus was baptizing.
John3:25-26 Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying. And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.
They were unaware of the purpose of the order of Melchizedek.
Psalm 110:4 The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
We must look to the foundation of doctrines. Like David said.; If we destroy them how could we find the doctrines of our living God?
Water Baptism has its foundation in the old order it was a applied to a person who had a desire to serve the gospel .It was not what some call a "sign gift" of self edifying. Many try to use it in that way as self evidence .
Aaron's two son the first to have that honor of serving the gospel using water as a metaphor . They added a little self edifying personal touch and were consumed while the ceremonial clothing suffered no harm .
No such thing as a sign gift. Not with tongue or water baptism .We walk by faith the unseen eternal.
God is not concerned with the pollical nation of this world under the control of the evil one. One world government.
Christians do not wrestle against flesh and blood the temporal things seen. And neither are they supported by the temporal things seen as if His kingdom did come by out of sight out of mind, observation. Paganism
God does not save whole nations or families. He walks individually with each person as two walking together..
Christians do not wrestle against flesh and blood the temporal things seen. And neither are they supported by the temporal things seen as if His kingdom did come by out of sight out of mind, observation. Paganism
God does not save whole nations or families. He walks individually with each person as two walking together..