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Or more. Or, maybe evento, less. What do you think on this subject? 
God speaks to us about work we should do to help others, , what causes we should donate time/money, too, uh, well, He does speak to me anyway in that way, I guess I won't speak for you.
Speak. Speak.
Ok, so, speak
God speaks to us about work we should do to help others, , what causes we should donate time/money, too, uh, well, He does speak to me anyway in that way, I guess I won't speak for you.
Speak. Speak.
Ok, so, speak
God tells us in Malachi - to tithe into the store house and I believe tithe also means 1/10 I think..So i do believe we should be tithing - whether monthly or weekly (depending on our pay-pattern).
I do also believe we should be giving offerings into the church - because our pastors have to live on the tithes and offerings as well as paying for running the church etc etc, so really our pastors may not always have a "well-off" life as many believe so. I personally believe it is our job to look after our pastors, and I know from personal experience, that our pastor does SOOOO much for us and also - our tithes and offerings are seeds from which God can bless and grow you from - He doesn't need them, but He wishes to see our obedience
My Dad is an ordained financial pastor--he and my Mom teach the Crown Ministries (Dave Ramsey) financial management course to every church they attend... I have always been taught that if you are earning an income, God gets 10%. Yes, there is also our time and talent, but if you have money coming in, God gets the first fruits of it (look at what happened to Cain when he didn't bring his tithe to God with the right heart.)
I know this is deeply personal, but it works for me. If I get $10 in a birthday card, $1 goes to church. If I earn $6 worth of interest at the bank (a near miracle nowadays!), my offering for the week includes an extra 60 cents. And, the tithe from my paychecks is based on my full income (before taxes), not what I actually take home (after the government and everyone else has their fill.)
I heard an excellent sermon about the fact that Jesus always raised the standards. Murder is a sin. But Jesus said anyone who hates his brother is a murderer. Adultery is a sin as well. But Jesus said anyone who looks at someone with lust in their heart commits adultery.
Doggone it all, I just read a devotional a few weeks ago that stated when Jesus talked to the Pharisees and religious leaders, they wanted to be complimented for paying their tithes--but Jesus told them they should do that and more as well, from the heart, out of gratitude toward God. (I should have written down the Scripture reference...)
Do I always want to do it? NO!!! Have I sometimes witheld what should rightly be God's? YES!!! Am I trying to get better? I sure hope God doesn't give up kicking me along!! (That's just how I roll.)
I know this is deeply personal, but it works for me. If I get $10 in a birthday card, $1 goes to church. If I earn $6 worth of interest at the bank (a near miracle nowadays!), my offering for the week includes an extra 60 cents. And, the tithe from my paychecks is based on my full income (before taxes), not what I actually take home (after the government and everyone else has their fill.)
I heard an excellent sermon about the fact that Jesus always raised the standards. Murder is a sin. But Jesus said anyone who hates his brother is a murderer. Adultery is a sin as well. But Jesus said anyone who looks at someone with lust in their heart commits adultery.
Doggone it all, I just read a devotional a few weeks ago that stated when Jesus talked to the Pharisees and religious leaders, they wanted to be complimented for paying their tithes--but Jesus told them they should do that and more as well, from the heart, out of gratitude toward God. (I should have written down the Scripture reference...)
Do I always want to do it? NO!!! Have I sometimes witheld what should rightly be God's? YES!!! Am I trying to get better? I sure hope God doesn't give up kicking me along!! (That's just how I roll.)
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My Dad is an ordained financial pastor--he and my Mom teach the Crown Ministries (Dave Ramsey) financial management course to every church they attend... I have always been taught that if you are earning an income, God gets 10%. Yes, there is also our time and talent, but if you have money coming in, God gets the first fruits of it (look at what happened to Cain when he didn't bring his tithe to God with the right heart.)
I know this is deeply personal, but it works for me. If I get $10 in a birthday card, $1 goes to church. If I earn $6 worth of interest at the bank (a near miracle nowadays!), my offering for the week includes an extra 60 cents. And, the tithe from my paychecks is based on my full income (before taxes), not what I actually take home (after the government and everyone else has their fill.)
I heard an excellent sermon about the fact that Jesus always raised the standards. Murder is a sin. But Jesus said anyone who hates his brother is a murderer. Adultery is a sin as well. But Jesus said anyone who looks at someone with lust in their heart commits adultery.
Doggone it all, I just read a devotional a few weeks ago that stated when Jesus talked to the Pharisees and religious leaders, they wanted to be complimented for paying their tithes--but Jesus told them they should do that and more as well, from the heart, out of gratitude toward God. (I should have written down the Scripture reference...)
Do I always want to do it? NO!!! Have I sometimes witheld what should rightly be God's? YES!!! Am I trying to get better? I sure hope God doesn't give up kicking me along!! (That's just how I roll.)
I know this is deeply personal, but it works for me. If I get $10 in a birthday card, $1 goes to church. If I earn $6 worth of interest at the bank (a near miracle nowadays!), my offering for the week includes an extra 60 cents. And, the tithe from my paychecks is based on my full income (before taxes), not what I actually take home (after the government and everyone else has their fill.)
I heard an excellent sermon about the fact that Jesus always raised the standards. Murder is a sin. But Jesus said anyone who hates his brother is a murderer. Adultery is a sin as well. But Jesus said anyone who looks at someone with lust in their heart commits adultery.
Doggone it all, I just read a devotional a few weeks ago that stated when Jesus talked to the Pharisees and religious leaders, they wanted to be complimented for paying their tithes--but Jesus told them they should do that and more as well, from the heart, out of gratitude toward God. (I should have written down the Scripture reference...)
Do I always want to do it? NO!!! Have I sometimes witheld what should rightly be God's? YES!!! Am I trying to get better? I sure hope God doesn't give up kicking me along!! (That's just how I roll.)
You're SSSOOO right, Nuke... I am definitely living the good life. I mean... when I go to McDonald's, I get one of the regular VALUE MEALS, not just things off the dollar menu!
If I'm feeling ESPECIALLY affluent, I also indulge in a shake or apple pie. It's tough having so much money! HA HA HA. NOT.And, PPKid, you are absolutely right... God owns 200% and then some of everything we have!
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You're SSSOOO right, Nuke... I am definitely living the good life. I mean... when I go to McDonald's, I get one of the regular VALUE MEALS, not just things off the dollar menu! If I'm feeling ESPECIALLY affluent, I also indulge in a shake or apple pie. It's tough having so much money! HA HA HA. NOT.
If I'm feeling ESPECIALLY affluent, I also indulge in a shake or apple pie. It's tough having so much money! HA HA HA. NOT.
It's not biblical to "ostracize" someone who isnt tithing, but i believe when God gives a command, He provides a way for all of His people to obey. I see no exceptions to the 10% commitment, so i dont believe there are exceptions. However, I am not responsible for my fellow believer's tithe - I am only responsible for my own. Whether someone chooses to tithe or not is for them to deal with in their own heart. God makes it clear that NOT tithing is stealing from Him, so.... a non-tither should decide for themselves if they are okay with stealing from God, and if God is okay with them doing that. However, i dont see it in the Word as a reason to ostracize them.
I believe that God does want us to tithe, but it doesn't have to be to one church. I don't believe that we should do that week after week after week. If you do, then it is a chore, not obedience. God doesn't give us chores. We choose what we do and what we don't. Me personally I like to donate my money to different things. If there is a week that I can't do it financially then I donate my free time. I don't feel that God DEMANDS that we give only money. We have so much more to offer as Christians than money. How many people can we reach if we all just donate some of our personal time? Which is more pleasing in the eyes of God? Giving a few bucks on Sunday out of habit, or going out during the time you normally do something else (watch tv, play video games, online chatting, etc.) and trying to reach people? Just my thoughts....God bless
It's not biblical to "ostracize" someone who isnt tithing, but i believe when God gives a command, He provides a way for all of His people to obey. I see no exceptions to the 10% commitment, so i dont believe there are exceptions. However, I am not responsible for my fellow believer's tithe - I am only responsible for my own. Whether someone chooses to tithe or not is for them to deal with in their own heart. God makes it clear that NOT tithing is stealing from Him, so.... a non-tither should decide for themselves if they are okay with stealing from God, and if God is okay with them doing that. However, i dont see it in the Word as a reason to ostracize them.
I understand what you're saying. My post was meant to clarify that we aren't ostracizing people who do not tithe, because it is between them and the Lord. I got my reference for my example of stealing from God in Malachi. I don't believe God threw out the Old Testament - even while He gives us freedom with the new covenant - but since it's all the Lord's anyway, giving 10% should be just a basic starting point. I am by no means wealthy in American terms; however, in the world's terms, I'm up in the top percentage of the wealthiest people in the world. I don't see any people in the United States or other wealthy countries that have a good enough biblical reason to NOT be tithing. This is my personal opinion gathered from what's found in the Bible. Again, it's all a matter of the heart, and i believe that a heart that is completely trusting God will have no qualms about tithing.
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I agree with PartyPoisionKid.... you should tithe 10%...
sometimes, that can be all the money you have. But there's something special about tithing..its being faithful and God will give you what you need
We tithe because God wants to see our faithfulness, it is also contributing to ministry and funds in the church
Believe me, God doesn't need our money.
He just wants to see our faithful we are, as he has been to us. Afterall, he helped us get what we have in the 1st place.
sometimes, that can be all the money you have. But there's something special about tithing..its being faithful and God will give you what you need
We tithe because God wants to see our faithfulness, it is also contributing to ministry and funds in the church
Believe me, God doesn't need our money.
He just wants to see our faithful we are, as he has been to us. Afterall, he helped us get what we have in the 1st place.
Hehe, kind of weird, I had a sermon quite related to this topic tonight. Quite challenging and I have been personally challenged in this area.
Agreed we definitely should not ostracize them, I don't think we should judge them either, however.
I think that there are reasons people do not tithe or give, sometimes it might be greed, other times however it might not be and they may have decent reasons. I don't think that we can, however, or should, be calling it stealing from god.
I believe in the old testament times it may be clear that god considers it stealing, (I haven't looked closely into it but your reading is probably right) however Christ fulfilled the law and the prophets so I do not believe that we are under it's rules and regulations. I don't believe that we should ignore it - indeed it teaches us so much about Jesus and who god is. However, given Jesus' death on the cross fulfilled the law, I think we have to look at it in a different light, which, just re-reading what you just said I believe you are doing.
I can see some - supporting needy friends or family, for example, I would consider more important than tithing, a few other things like this, although I suppose these could be considered a tithe of sorts. Also if you could only find part time work and were struggling to feed and shelter yourself I think that not tithing would be better than to be a burden upon others.
Our sermon tonight was on 1 Corinthians 16ish. I'll quote a little bit from it Corinthians 16 here.
"Now about the collection for God's people: Do what I told the Galatian churches to do. on the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made."
This here is talking to a non Jewish Church and it says to set aside money in keeping with his income, it doesn't talk about a 10% tithe but rather to set aside money in keeping with what they earn. I'm not entirely sure but I believe that other New Testament books would support this.
I definitely agree with a lot of what you said though, god gave us everything so it is all gods anyway. We should give as much as we can afford and often we can afford far more than we think we can! 10% is definitely not enough for most people in western countries I would guess. I think that people can give in other ways though, for example uni students and poorer people may have more time on their hands, so can give more of their time. God owns our time as well after all .
What do you think about it all this here?
I think students can also in an interesting position. I might post my situation in a different thread - essentially my parents are supporting me to study at the university and they are not happy for me to be giving my money away. (My parents are not christian) Quite an interesting situation in that they are happy for me to spend money on myself, but not for me to spend money on others.
Agreed we definitely should not ostracize them, I don't think we should judge them either, however.
"God makes it clear that NOT tithing is stealing from Him, so.... a non-tither should decide for themselves if they are okay with stealing from God, and if God is okay with them doing that. However, i dont see it in the Word as a reason to ostracize them. "
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I believe in the old testament times it may be clear that god considers it stealing, (I haven't looked closely into it but your reading is probably right
) however Christ fulfilled the law and the prophets so I do not believe that we are under it's rules and regulations. I don't believe that we should ignore it - indeed it teaches us so much about Jesus and who god is. However, given Jesus' death on the cross fulfilled the law, I think we have to look at it in a different light, which, just re-reading what you just said I believe you are doing. I can see some - supporting needy friends or family, for example, I would consider more important than tithing, a few other things like this, although I suppose these could be considered a tithe of sorts. Also if you could only find part time work and were struggling to feed and shelter yourself I think that not tithing would be better than to be a burden upon others.
Our sermon tonight was on 1 Corinthians 16ish. I'll quote a little bit from it Corinthians 16 here.
"Now about the collection for God's people: Do what I told the Galatian churches to do. on the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made."
This here is talking to a non Jewish Church and it says to set aside money in keeping with his income, it doesn't talk about a 10% tithe but rather to set aside money in keeping with what they earn. I'm not entirely sure but I believe that other New Testament books would support this.
I definitely agree with a lot of what you said though, god gave us everything so it is all gods anyway. We should give as much as we can afford and often we can afford far more than we think we can!
10% is definitely not enough for most people in western countries I would guess. I think that people can give in other ways though, for example uni students and poorer people may have more time on their hands, so can give more of their time. God owns our time as well after all .What do you think about it all this here?
I think students can also in an interesting position. I might post my situation in a different thread - essentially my parents are supporting me to study at the university and they are not happy for me to be giving my money away. (My parents are not christian) Quite an interesting situation in that they are happy for me to spend money on myself, but not for me to spend money on others.
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I don't have too much to say on this topic except James said to be 'doers' of the Word.
What does that mean?
I am fully into a personal relationship with Jesus Christ ways, God's Old Testament teachings, and
, as I believe from my personal experience from simply asking the Holy Spirit in to my life 15 years ago, His prompting.
Remember, God just will correct us with loving means, his Love, which is not human agape or eros its a an inexplicably loving-us Love that's best example is Jesus' dying on the cross for doing acutely NOTHING ever wrong. (Jesus never sinned on Earth in 33 years of living).
Tithing is something I've done both biblically 10% and also based on prayer and the Lord's leading.(Both those two ways of giving were me following His will best I knew how).
It does say, as 'PartyPoisoned' aptly pointed out, bring your tithe to the storehouse of the Lord. My question then is this: Is the storehouse your church or is it just not mattering where you give your tithe, whether its church, a children's organization.
YOU think about that, please, that is, the incisive posts of what blindingchick said, orchidfloweringbeauty said, billy the kid too, about giving tithe, and, Julieanne's always Wisdomic thoughts.
And...give credit to Llamason , too, while you are thinking, I'm still lazy some, but I do now click 'preview post' before submitting post replies or edit more after submitting And , yes, that fascinating young man just aforementoned herded me to do that.
Meanwhile, as all you mares and fillies are playing UP with more thoughts on this sensitive subject, I am going to go to Paypal.com and give to where God right this second is prompting me to bump UP that last seen $1410 certain donation dollar SOME MORE. Sounds like a sweet, salty thing to do, huh like peas and carrot sampling or, hey, howaboutit? Graham crackers, marshmallows and, chocolate bar smoothed all together.
God bless every singles one of you, for however you're giving, for giving to Him And, I speak from personal experience, like blindingchick just said, I know He does bless us for giving, for, ultimately, what we get and what we got is simple to explain: God gave it to us.
What does that mean?
I am fully into a personal relationship with Jesus Christ ways, God's Old Testament teachings, and
, as I believe from my personal experience from simply asking the Holy Spirit in to my life 15 years ago, His prompting.
Remember, God just will correct us with loving means, his Love, which is not human agape or eros its a an inexplicably loving-us Love that's best example is Jesus' dying on the cross for doing acutely NOTHING ever wrong. (Jesus never sinned on Earth in 33 years of living).
Tithing is something I've done both biblically 10% and also based on prayer and the Lord's leading.(Both those two ways of giving were me following His will best I knew how).
It does say, as 'PartyPoisoned' aptly pointed out, bring your tithe to the storehouse of the Lord. My question then is this: Is the storehouse your church or is it just not mattering where you give your tithe, whether its church, a children's organization.
YOU think about that, please, that is, the incisive posts of what blindingchick said, orchidfloweringbeauty said, billy the kid too, about giving tithe, and, Julieanne's always Wisdomic thoughts.
And...give credit to Llamason , too, while you are thinking, I'm still lazy some, but I do now click 'preview post' before submitting post replies or edit more after submitting And , yes, that fascinating young man just aforementoned herded me to do that.
Meanwhile, as all you mares and fillies are playing UP with more thoughts on this sensitive subject, I am going to go to Paypal.com and give to where God right this second is prompting me to bump UP that last seen $1410 certain donation dollar SOME MORE. Sounds like a sweet, salty thing to do, huh like peas and carrot sampling or, hey, howaboutit? Graham crackers, marshmallows and, chocolate bar smoothed all together.
God bless every singles one of you, for however you're giving, for giving to Him
And, I speak from personal experience, like blindingchick just said, I know He does bless us for giving, for, ultimately, what we get and what we got is simple to explain: God gave it to us.
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I generally overtithe when I tithe, but that's because I tithe with cash rather than a check.
Recently I've been sponsoring a child through compassion international, and I do that as my tithe. It's amounts to about 18% of what I'm making right now. When I start working full time I'll start paying the difference so that I'm tithing at least 10% total.
Recently I've been sponsoring a child through compassion international, and I do that as my tithe. It's amounts to about 18% of what I'm making right now. When I start working full time I'll start paying the difference so that I'm tithing at least 10% total.
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Wow, monkey, and, shhhhhhh, pipe down. Please. For your own sake, a heart benevolent like that in addition to giving to God tithe in church will make you stay single, perhaps, a lot less longer than you think.
I've given to God too in different ways and my life is His for me, I do not worry about others giving to God , for, as I said before, my doings unto God are between He and I (a personal relationship) and judging others is what you are doing if you tell me to give to God any different than I already am. I am sorry too if I sound weird here, but, ultimately, how we use our talents and, yes, money is between you and God. And, trust me on this, if you are being chincy and cheap (ex: maybe you are tithing but not the amount you are being convicted by God to give), God will enter your life and show you His way lovingly, but disciplining because God DOES discipline His children).
But, yeah, monkey, giving in ways you're doing monthly to Compassion org. will make you blessed, so blessed, 'you, you will blessed,' as Elton John sings. So blessed for giving to God, especially helping children, so dear to God's heart are all the little children in the world
I've given to God too in different ways and my life is His for me, I do not worry about others giving to God , for, as I said before, my doings unto God are between He and I (a personal relationship) and judging others is what you are doing if you tell me to give to God any different than I already am. I am sorry too if I sound weird here, but, ultimately, how we use our talents and, yes, money is between you and God. And, trust me on this, if you are being chincy and cheap (ex: maybe you are tithing but not the amount you are being convicted by God to give), God will enter your life and show you His way lovingly, but disciplining because God DOES discipline His children).
But, yeah, monkey, giving in ways you're doing monthly to Compassion org. will make you blessed, so blessed, 'you, you will blessed,' as Elton John sings. So blessed for giving to God, especially helping children, so dear to God's heart are all the little children in the world