The Mark Of The Beast Won't Be Forced, But Willfully Received, By Deception In False Miracles

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Truth7t7

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Many falsely teach the mark of the beast and his image worship will be forced?

100% False, it will be willfully received by those deceived through (False Miracles) performed by the (False Prophet)

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Revelation 13:11-14KJV
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles
which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
 

Truth7t7

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Many falsely teach the mark of the beast and his image worship will be forced?

100% False, it will be willfully received by those deceived through (False Miracles) performed by the (False Prophet)

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Revelation 13:11-14KJV
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles
which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Yes scripture silences the false claims, that all the world will be forced into taking the mark, (Wrong) :)
 
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Many falsely teach the mark of the beast and his image worship will be forced?

100% False, it will be willfully received by those deceived through (False Miracles) performed by the (False Prophet)

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Revelation 13:11-14KJV
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles
which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
The mark of the beast will not be forced but received willingly, for if it is forced it would not count to condemn them, but when that time comes there will only be a separation of those that follow the beast, and those that follow God, so the only people that could be forced is the saints but it would not count to condemn them for they did not want the mark.
 

Truth7t7

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The mark of the beast will not be forced but received willingly, for if it is forced it would not count to condemn them, but when that time comes there will only be a separation of those that follow the beast, and those that follow God, so the only people that could be forced is the saints but it would not count to condemn them for they did not want the mark.
Your 100% correct, a person must receive it without force, for God's righteous judgement to apply.

Many falsely teach this mark is (Forced) with a threat of death.

This drama was part of the 70's/80's church movie series played every weekend, Christian's running around, with Antichrist death squads in pursuit, fear, fear, fear

"Big Smiles"!

Movies:
1) A thief in the night
2) A distant thunder
3) Mark of the beast

100% Propaganda
 

JaumeJ

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We are foretold that a spirit of delosion will fall upon the world causing those who loved evil *past tense( to believe lies. In part I believe this is one reason people will gladly take the mark. They loved evil in the first place and believe lies that suit their fancy.

No one in Jesus, Yeshua, will take the mark, nor will they believe the lies for they love, we love, Yeshua....
 

Truth7t7

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We are foretold that a spirit of delosion will fall upon the world causing those who loved evil *past tense( to believe lies. In part I believe this is one reason people will gladly take the mark. They loved evil in the first place and believe lies that suit their fancy.

No one in Jesus, Yeshua, will take the mark, nor will they believe the lies for they love, we love, Yeshua....
I agree 100%

The world is currently evil, killing 60 million unborn (Abortion) annually, homosexuals in marriage, Defund the police in the USA

Setting the stage for the future Man of peace, AKA (The Antichrist/Man Of Sin) in Jerusalem.
 

JaumeJ

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Yes, the Jerusalem of this age must be the stgin goun for all ent time events. The Two Ovive Trees will witness to all the world and be slain in the city of Jerusalem, and after their bodies lay three days while the world celebrated their deths, a voice will call to them from above sayiny, :come upj." and dthey will do just that.

The world will have hated them for the havoc they did wreak on the inhabitants of the earth, whil the few remaining who believe will rejoice for their works.
 

Dino246

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Many falsely teach the mark of the beast and his image worship will be forced?

100% False,
Which part is "100% False"? The "Many falsely teach" part? Do all falsely teach that? Or perhaps nobody falsely teaches that. Can a question be 100% false?

it will be willfully received by those deceived through (False Miracles) performed by the (False Prophet)
You have demonstrated that you are resistant to using punctuation properly, but to illustrate, here is what your second line actually says:

"It will be willfully received by those deceived through performed by the."

Does that make any sense? No. Brackets are not for emphasis.
 
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Yes scripture silences the false claims, that all the world will be forced into taking the mark, (Wrong) :)
That would seem to support a lying wonder. The mark is the mark of Cain 666. Natural unconverted mankind. No sabbath rest. Not yoked with Christ like that of Abel

Its not something you take. It is something mankind is born with . It is removed and replaced with a seal that cannot be broken

The difference with marks and seals .One can be temporal.

Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. . . . (The mind of Christ)
A
fter that they can buy the truth of the gospel and not sell it.

Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.

Those who are not sealed keep the mark identified as 666, they look to worldly goods as if we did wrestles against flesh and blood political governments. They receive a famine for hearing the gospel of our born seal

Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
 

Nehemiah6

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Many falsely teach the mark of the beast and his image worship will be forced
Of course it will be forced. Whether or not deception is involved is not even the issue. The Antichrist issues an edict which demands that all the inhabitants of the world should (1) worship him, (2) worship his image, and (3) take the Mark under pain of death. Read and study Revelation 13.

And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. (v 15)

If you are given a choice to do something or be killed for refusing to do it, what do you call that? You dig yourself deeper and deeper into holes of false doctrine with all your threads. It's time to repent.
 

Dino246

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Yes scripture silences the false claims, that all the world will be forced into taking the mark, (Wrong) :)
Perhaps you could give me a straight answer to this question:

Do you believe that those who hold to incorrect views of end-time events will end up under wrath?
 
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Perhaps you could give me a straight answer to this question:

Do you believe that those who hold to incorrect views of end-time events will end up under wrath?
I would offer. . .As unbelievers (666) they are already under the wrath being revealed from heaven. Mankind who suppress the truth of the gospel Not buying its truth but selling it seeing no profit in the unseen spiritual things of God.. Not being sealed in the forehead. Not having the mind of Christ. They exchange the unseen glory of God into image made like to corruptible man, the Son of man, Jesus the apostle and prophet sent with the words of Hiss father. . who lived in a body of sin but did not do the desires of the flesh but rather the desires of the unseen father. they became fools no God in their hearts. Like that of Esau who sold is birth rite for a cup of goat soup

Romans1: 22;23 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
 

Dino246

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I would offer. . .As unbelievers (666) they are already under the wrath being revealed from heaven. Mankind who suppress the truth of the gospel Not buying its truth but selling it seeing no profit in the unseen spiritual things of God.. Not being sealed in the forehead. Not having the mind of Christ. They exchange the unseen glory of God into image made like to corruptible man, the Son of man, Jesus the apostle and prophet sent with the words of Hiss father. . who lived in a body of sin but did not do the desires of the flesh but rather the desires of the unseen father. they became fools no God in their hearts. Like that of Esau who sold is birth rite for a cup of goat soup

Romans1: 22;23 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Thanks, but the question was directed to Truth7t7.
 
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Many falsely teach the mark of the beast and his image worship will be forced?

100% False, it will be willfully received by those deceived through (False Miracles) performed by the (False Prophet)

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Revelation 13:11-14KJV
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles
which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
11And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

It seems to me that the great wonders that he does will deceive them as in they will believe the miracles are a sign of his supernatural power and yet they are probably not so supernatural. I mean the deception here seems to be specific to the miracles which would suggest they are not really miracles.

Now the worship of the image is indeed forced as we can see by verse 15 and the whole passage from 11 to 17 seems to suggest a dictatorial administration of some sort and a "forcing" upon the people the rules of said administration. It is the plain tenor of the reading of the passage and I have not seen any movies that you mentioned.
 

Truth7t7

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Perhaps you could give me a straight answer to this question:

Do you believe that those who hold to incorrect views of end-time events will end up under wrath?
Dino I'm not the Judge :)

Those who hold to incorrect views could very well be part of the (Deceived)

Example: It's my belief that the false teaching of a future Millennium, where Jesus Christ returns to earth, and takes a throne of David in Jerusalem?

Beware of the future Antichrist/Man Of Sin, who will claim to be Messiah/Jesus returned.

Just one example of incorrect views, that could end up in the (Wrong Camp) taking a mark, and worshipping an image?
 

Truth7t7

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11And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

It seems to me that the great wonders that he does will deceive them as in they will believe the miracles are a sign of his supernatural power and yet they are probably not so supernatural. I mean the deception here seems to be specific to the miracles which would suggest they are not really miracles.

Now the worship of the image is indeed forced as we can see by verse 15 and the whole passage from 11 to 17 seems to suggest a dictatorial administration of some sort and a "forcing" upon the people the rules of said administration. It is the plain tenor of the reading of the passage and I have not seen any movies that you mentioned.
Absolutely the Antichrist will desire all to follow him, just as Satan the Devil currently desires the same.

The (Two Witnesses) will be running the tribulation show, plague after plague!

A complete remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

How many plagues fell upon the Hebrews, how many Hebrews were running in terror from Pharaoh?

(Nada/None) (y)

The tribulation is gonna be a Jesus is in control show, it's those that follow the false teachings in dispensationalism, Darby & Scofield that elevate Satan, they give (Total Disregard) to those guys on team Jesus, the (Two Witnesses)

(All Plagues As Often As They Will)!
(All Plagues As Often As They Will)!
(All Plagues As Often As They Will)!


Revelation 11:3-6KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
 

Dino246

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Dino I'm not the Judge :)

Those who hold to incorrect views could very well be part of the (Deceived)

Example: It's my belief that the false teaching of a future Millennium, where Jesus Christ returns to earth, and takes a throne of David in Jerusalem?

Beware of the future Antichrist/Man Of Sin, who will claim to be Messiah/Jesus returned.

Just one example of incorrect views, that could end up in the (Wrong Camp) taking a mark, and worshipping an image?
Your answer is evasive.
 
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Dino I'm not the Judge :)

Those who hold to incorrect views could very well be part of the (Deceived)

Example: It's my belief that the false teaching of a future Millennium, where Jesus Christ returns to earth, and takes a throne of David in Jerusalem?

Beware of the future Antichrist/Man Of Sin, who will claim to be Messiah/Jesus returned.

Just one example of incorrect views, that could end up in the (Wrong Camp) taking a mark, and worshipping an image?
So let me get this right? You are suggesting that those who believe that the prophets prophesied a literal Kingdom of Israel with Jesus on the throne in Israel might be satan worshippers? That is your opinion of those who are more comfortable with a heremeneutic of a literal 1000 year reign over a spiritualizaion of just a "long time" and a spiritual invisible kingdom. Their more natural interpretation is satanic? And yours does not reek of fanaticsim in the slightest? Is that what you are saying in a subtle sort of way?:unsure:
 

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So let me get this right? You are suggesting that those who believe that the prophets prophesied a literal Kingdom of Israel with Jesus on the throne in Israel might be satan worshippers? That is your opinion of those who are more comfortable with a heremeneutic of a literal 1000 year reign over a spiritualizaion of just a "long time" and a spiritual invisible kingdom. Their more natural interpretation is satanic? And yours does not reek of fanaticsim in the slightest? Is that what you are saying in a subtle sort of way?:unsure:
Your Catching On (y)

Yes The False Teachings In Dispensationalism Has A Literal Jesus, Returning To A Literal Throne In Jerusalem On Earth, And Yes This Will Be The Antichrist, Good To See Your Waking Up To Truth.

Jesus Christ Warned The Believers, He Ain't Gonna Be Found (No Place) On This Earth In A Tangible Body.

Behold, He Is On A Throne Of David In Jerusalem?

Believe It Not, Go Not Forth!

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
 

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Not everyone believes the mark of the beast on the hand and forehead are literal devices or marks such as computer chips, implants, bank cards, or anything similar, and there are Scriptural reasons to believe they are not... much in the same way we would not accept that just because people were trying to build the tower of Babel meant we think they could have actually reached God that way, through their human means and/or effort, or that the laws written on our hearts are literally etched/chiseled there.

The forehead very much represents a person's thinking and beliefs, out of which arise
the actions anyone takes and the things we do and what we serve with our hands.


Revelation 14:1 says, Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion,
and with him 144, 000 who had His name and His Father's name written on their foreheads.


Revelation 22:4 says: They will see His face, and His name will be on their foreheads.

I believe the mark is meant to be symbolic of Whom we have pledged our allegiance.

Fix these words of mine in your hearts and minds; tie them as reminders on your hands and bind them on your foreheads.
Deuteronomy 11:18

Deuteronomy 6:5-8 ~ Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads.

Hebrews 10:16 ~ “This is the covenant I will make with them after those days,
declares the Lord. I will put My laws in their hearts and inscribe them on their minds.”


:)