Sex before marriage follow up. Practical reasons why I dont fornicate

[Jullianna]

If your Lord thinks that I can't be my boyfriend's equal then yes, I'll be disrespectful to this character. I don't have respect for people who don't respect my right to be an equal member of society or a relationship.

And yet others should for some unknown reason be concerned about your being "appalled" or "insulted" by our beliefs when you came to our turf, not vice versa? Since you are so concerned with equality, why are your sensibilities more important than ours?

There are atheists who do not troll our threads, but have respectful, intelligent conversations with believers. We enjoy sharing with them. But we are not here to do battle with those who simply choose to be their own gods. That battle belongs to God. How could such a one ever hope to understand the beauty of submission, no matter how many ways or times it was explained?

You are young yet. There is hope for you. You have a bright, inquiring mind. You simply lack Light. This is my prayer for you.

 

[RanShaTo84]

There's no question that every single human being is hard-wired biologically to desire sex ESPECIALLY once we hit those crucial teen years. Not to sound arrogant or anything but I consider myself a pretty handsome fella with a good heart and interesting personality. The fact that there are 5 million females in The Big Apple and this July I'll become a 27-year-old virgin is ABSOLUTELY the Hand of God at work. He kept me shielded from that kinda activity all thru-out HS and college. How I've made it this far only God knows. It simply won't happen until marriage for me.

 

[xphineasx]

And yet others should for some unknown reason be concerned about your being "appalled" or "insulted" by our beliefs when you came to our turf, not vice versa? Since you are so concerned with equality, why are your sensibilities more important than ours?

There are atheists who do not troll our threads, but have respectful, intelligent conversations with believers. We enjoy sharing with them. But we are not here to do battle with those who simply choose to be their own gods. That battle belongs to God. How could such a one ever hope to understand the beauty of submission, no matter how many ways or times it was explained?

You are young yet. There is hope for you. You have a bright, inquiring mind. You simply lack Light. This is my prayer for you.

You realize that instead of addressing the issue, you just threw up a straw man right? I'm not choosing to be "my own God".

And honestly? "The beauty of submission"<- Look at that phrase. How can you type that in all seriousness, and not see how it would offend anyone who believes in equality?

 

[xphineasx]

You can be equal, it is not the same thing. You're assuming that by becoming submissive in a marriage, that you are somehow relegated to being second-best or lower-class...that is simply not true. Men and women were designed by God to compliment each other. It's the way we were designed as humans. Men generally are happier as the heads of a household, and women generally are happier as they were designed. I am not a wife, and my future wife is not designed to be a husband. I am not a mother, I don't have 'mothering instincts', and my future wife isn't designed to be a father. If I try to fulfill a role in life that I have not been designed to do, there will be issues and problems.

It's interesting that you have no problem submitting to the will of a boss for a few bucks but you have such a problem with submitting to the will of a man you love...To me, it should be the other way...it's less important in a 40 hr/week work relationship than it is in someone I pledge my undying love to for the rest of my life. Submission is not just a one-way street. I am called to submit to my wife in areas that will compliment her strengths and help my weaknesses.
I think it's important to try to not have an immediate knee-jerk response to the thought of submission in a relationship, when it is impossible to not be submissive in many respects in almost every single other human interaction that exists.

You don't seem to understand the definition of "submit" or "submission", which is odd, since I just posted it.

The fact that you believe that women were CREATED to be HAPPIER letting a MAN "run" the household is rather...worrisome by itself. That men are somehow better suited to be in charge, and women are created to take orders.

 

[jimmydiggs]

I don't have respect for people who don't respect my right to be an equal member of society or a relationship.

Where do rights come from, humans?

I find it interesting that as an existentialist you reject intrinsic value of humans, yet demand to be treated as though you have some sort of intrinsic value.

 

[Jullianna]

You realize that instead of addressing the issue, you just threw up a straw man right? I'm not choosing to be "my own God".

And honestly? "The beauty of submission"<- Look at that phrase. How can you type that in all seriousness, and not see how it would offend anyone who believes in equality?

I addressed the issue, as have others. You simply don't like the answers.

 

[NukePooch]

You don't seem to understand the definition of "submit" or "submission", which is odd, since I just posted it.

The fact that you believe that women were CREATED to be HAPPIER letting a MAN "run" the household is rather...worrisome by itself. That men are somehow better suited to be in charge, and women are created to take orders.

Hmmm...

Okay...since this has gone nowhere in a hurry, this is the last I will post on the subject.

I do indeed understand the definition of submission that you posted, but perhaps you might go back and read it as well.

We as humans submit CONSTANTLY. We also, as humans, CONSTANTLY submit our will on others. It is absolutely the way that we have been designed to interact. You seem to have no problem with this.

You also have said that you don't have any problem submitting to a man in a work relationship.

So...the problem seems to come in your willingness to submit to a man in a love relationship. It's quite likely that someone who has a similar viewpoint in a similar situation was injured rather badly by a relationship in the past. You mention that you currently have a boyfriend... You obviously don't submit to him at all then. You run your will and he follows meekly along, having no opinion of his own. OR...he runs your life and you are not allowed to have any opinion of your own... OR...you have found a delicate balance between the two points. THAT is what is meant by Godly submission. The wife submits to her husband and the husband submits to the wife.

So...on to your second point. Yes, I do believe that men were created to be stronger leaders than women, and yes, I believe that women were created to be strong in the areas that men are weak. No, neither was designed to blindly follow orders. It is going to be very difficult for you to grasp this because you're not a fan of intelligent creation... Without knowing that you have been created for an exact purpose, it will be difficult to figure out where you fit. Now, I'm sure you'll holler that you're perfectly happy, etc...I hope that works for you. It still doesn't change the simple fact that you were created for so much more in life that you will never realize as long as you ignore the One who created you in the first place. Ignoring God does not make God disappear.

I agree that we disagree on the subject. I hope that your eyes will be opened to the truth.

 

[Jullianna]

You realize that instead of addressing the issue, you just threw up a straw man right? I'm not choosing to be "my own God".

And honestly? "The beauty of submission"<- Look at that phrase. How can you type that in all seriousness, and not see how it would offend anyone who believes in equality?

I find beauty in those who put the needs of others above their own. To give without expectation is the very essence of love and it is too precious to be bartered.

I addressed the "issue" of this thread, which is Sex before marriage follow up. Practical reasons why I dont fornicate (not submission),at length. I even answered your thread de-railing question in hope that you were asking in sincerity and not mockery. It appeared that you understood my answer and simply disagreed. What more is there to say?

Surely you noticed when you signed up that this a christian forum, not a Lib forum. We christians believe the scriptures and this is where we share them. That's not going to change just because it might offend a non-christian. The scriptures clearly state that there will be those who will be offended by the teachings of Christ. We did not seek you out to intentionally offend you. You, on the otherhand, have been trolling our threads and intentionally insulting us and our God. I simply found it incredibly ironic that one who speaks of equality would intentionally have such little regard for the sensibilities and beliefs of others.

My desire not to talk about the submission issue has nothing to do with you personally. It's just that the submission thread has been done to death in recent months and some of us just aren't interested in running over a dead horse with semi. So I am simply moving on to threads I DO want to talk about.

 

[GreenNnice]

I'm pretty appalled that you think women can't be the head of a relationship.-Xphineas

---Nuke did not say that a woman cannot be the head of a relationship in a marriage, he just said that its not how God designed it and God speaks that truth through scripture in the bible. And, in order to fully understand these things, xphineas, I could relate scripture to you until I was blue in the face and I would undoubtably get nowhere. Corinthians. Corinthians. Corinthians.....

Do I look blue now, xphineas?

So, what to do, what to do??? Hmmm. Really, there is no way we can reach common ground unless one or the other of us budges in our beliefs. BUDGE, Xphineas !! LOL > I just kiddin' .
So, the ONLY way that you, as an atheist, and, I, JulieAnnie, Nuked, RanSha, etc. etc., all we christians, can come together right now and believe the same way about wives submitting to husbands is if you have FAITH that Corinthians is Holy-Spirit breathed inspirational words that Paul then scribed down on papyrus root paper. That is the only way. YOU must have faith that Corinthians is real. Just like I must have faith that Sarte's existensionalism is REAL, which I don't . To me, existensionalism is a one way FREE ticket to disaster!! Empirical evidence ONLY takes you so far when it comes to believing whether God is going to come back again, Xphineas. The real question is very simple, do you believe Jesus is coming again??? Do you believe that 1000 scrolls (dead sea scrolls) found in 1950s contained information in them that was ALL alike in so a striking way, the scroll from Turkey for instance matched the scroll words from Egypt, though written at different times by different people. See, that's REAL evidence, that tells us the bible, which is what the dead sea scrolls are, that is, different writings of the bible, from different time periods dating back way back in early years of history, saying the SAME EXACT THING. How can that be?? THAT is empirical evidence however, and, Josh McDowell is the best author around, one of anyway, of apologetics, that is, proving Christ existed through ALL of creation and things happening during the centuries, including the finding of the dead sea scrolls and their great empirical evidence.

So, man, I feel blue now. And, again, I am not talking down at you, Xphineas, I'm not flaming things at you, saying I'm right. I am just stating what I believe, what I believe is real, and, what I believe is real comes from FAITH . This is just me talking, again, from what I know and believe through FAITH in Jesus Christ's ways on Earth and having seen all the things , preponderence of coincidences I call them, that God's done in my life, I see how POWERFUL a love God shows to take care of those that choose to have faith and belief in Him and His plans for them, taking care of here on Earth and then really taking care of us in Heaven.
God bless you for your honest thought, xphineas, and, your ability to carry on a rational conversation with christians . Sorry, if you don't want God's blessing, or,. believe it can be real in your life, but I most certainly do believe God's blessings are real and I want you to somehow, some way find God in your life in a great and revealing way.

 

[GreenNnice]

I agree, Nukers. When christians speak to atheists or muslims the conversation most often goes nowhere fast, degenerates into wrong thoughts and motives and actions that neither religion wants to really do to the other.
So pray to God when talking with others not believing as you do so that you can stay strong in the conversation. By the way, I think you christians have done a fine job reprresenting christianity in this thread.
So to atheists, muslims, hindus, whoever, for christians, it is important to show the Love of Christ, have Him speak through you, in your submissions on c.c.

And, if the Lord so chooses to have you be done talking on the subject, be done. Do everything with prayer and thanksgiving, as scripture says, so, that is what I am doing now, thanking God for giving me a chance to say what I believe, who I believe in and what I KNOW is real through the preponderence of coincidences in my life that goes WAY PAST any empirical evidence that has been found. 'Course, that evidence of Jesus existing, like Shroud, like Dead Sea Scrolls, like the design of man and woman so intricately, so masterfully designed like bringing a baby into the world is very cheap at first. Baby can live on mother's milk for a long few months/years before needing solid food and then
course kids just get more and more expensive. Even THAT, to me, is God's design. It is all SO amazing, just thrills my insides thinking of all the colors of the rainbow of God's handiwork, from Day 1, when he created Heaven and Earth and everything just sprawled out so nicely after that. Boom ! All the continents became . That Big Bang Theory just seems so unreal to me in itself, it's not why I believe in God, I have faith reasons for that and the ways in which God leads me in my life and I follow.

I hope (and pray) my two posts here are not going to disrupt any ongoing thoughts of you all. Carry on, carry on, again, as I believe and say most often in my life to anyone that wants to listen (they will hear anyway ), the Lord leads. Follow. God so wants to save the lost and I don't want to lose Xphineas

 

[thimsrebma]

There's no question that every single human being is hard-wired biologically to desire sex ESPECIALLY once we hit those crucial teen years. Not to sound arrogant or anything but I consider myself a pretty handsome fella with a good heart and interesting personality. The fact that there are 5 million females in The Big Apple and this July I'll become a 27-year-old virgin is ABSOLUTELY the Hand of God at work. He kept me shielded from that kinda activity all thru-out HS and college. How I've made it this far only God knows. It simply won't happen until marriage for me.

Thanks for respinding to the thread with your answer that is on topic. Sometimes it can be hard to ignore the derailing debates. But somehow you pulled it off.

GO YOU!

 

[RanShaTo84]

Thanks for respinding to the thread with your answer that is on topic. Sometimes it can be hard to ignore the derailing debates. But somehow you pulled it off.

GO YOU!

I'm from New Yawk. Drama doesn't faze me in the slightest. LOL

 

[GreenNnice]

Yes, RanShacelticsfan, good you stay on topic, I too, from the grace of God, am like you, waiting ...

That takes a lot of work and Ive turned down a few chances to give in, I KNOW the enemy really has tried to do things, but I've asked prayerfully often to God to keep me OUT of situations beyond my control (no práctical reasons why I don't fornicate, it's God's power WORKING thru me) and greater is He that is in me than he that is in the world. . Thanks be to my God, my God, whom I will ever praise, in the. Morning, in the mid-morning, , at noon, at mid-afternoon, and, early evening and latenight and akk the time between those times as He leads me to do. I will praise Him in the morning, I will praise Him all of my my ways and step by step God will lead me abd U will fellowsHip all of my days. A little Rich Mullins in all that and, why not end with the powerful songs of another face singer of mine, Amy grant, Sing your praise to the Lord, c'Mon, everybody shout one more haleluhah.

That better, msamber?

 

[Jullianna]

Thanks for respinding to the thread with your answer that is on topic. Sometimes it can be hard to ignore the derailing debates. But somehow you pulled it off.

GO YOU!

Rocco is cool like that

My personal apologies to you, Amber. <3 As I said initially, this is a awesome thread. As you know, sometimes our heart's desire that all would come to know the precious love of the Father as we do overwhelms our knowledge that some merely desire to mock it.

God bless you, sister. You know I think you rock.

 

[thimsrebma]

Rocco is cool like that

My personal apologies to you, Amber. <3 As I said initially, this is a awesome thread. As you know, sometimes our heart's desire that all would come to know the precious love of the Father as we do overwhelms our knowledge that some merely desire to mock it.

God bless you, sister. You know I think you rock.

Yes, RanShacelticsfan, good you stay on topic, I too, from the grace of God, am like you, waiting ...

That takes a lot of work and Ive turned down a few chances to give in, I KNOW the enemy really has tried to do things, but I've asked prayerfully often to God to keep me OUT of situations beyond my control (no práctical reasons why I don't fornicate, it's God's power WORKING thru me) and greater is He that is in me than he that is in the world. . Thanks be to my God, my God, whom I will ever praise, in the. Morning, in the mid-morning, , at noon, at mid-afternoon, and, early evening and latenight and akk the time between those times as He leads me to do. I will praise Him in the morning, I will praise Him all of my my ways and step by step God will lead me abd U will fellowsHip all of my days. A little Rich Mullins in all that and, why not end with the powerful songs of another face singer of mine, Amy grant, Sing your praise to the Lord, c'Mon, everybody shout one more haleluhah.

That better, msamber?

It's all good y'all. I was just kind of poking fun at what it had become. You know I stuck my little 2cents in there a time or two. So maybe it was 4 cents. hahaha.

 

[Jullianna]

YOUR 4 cents is always worth a whole lot more lady!

 

[GreenNnice]

It's all good?

That phrase does not work for me, that is a secular thing. IF you are going to say that to me, then I will say to you, IF you are known by me to be a christian, 'It's all good with God in your life?'

I say that because, well, ummmm, well-uh-YEAH, it's ONLY all good with God in your life

Otherwise, it's no good, life is Satan's to TAKE from you IF your life is not all good with God.

DOH !!!
There I go , off topic again, so, again , I will reiterate as I have earlier in this thread by msamber....YOU may have fornicated already, as in sex before marriage.....So what ! IF you are NOW living your life to the best of your ability NOT to do that again (and only with the power of our good God can you do that!) then its all forgiven, sin (like any sin, even MURDER, just ask David, Moses) becomes dropped by God's memory far as the east is from the west into the bottomless depths of the sea NEVER to be brought up again. NEVER, EVER, NEVER !!! God bless youi all.

 

[RanShaTo84]

It's all good?

That phrase does not work for me, that is a secular thing. IF you are going to say that to me, then I will say to you, IF you are known by me to be a christian, 'It's all good with God in your life?'

I say that because, well, ummmm, well-uh-YEAH, it's ONLY all good with God in your life

Otherwise, it's no good, life is Satan's to TAKE from you IF your life is not all good with God.

DOH !!!
There I go , off topic again, so, again , I will reiterate as I have earlier in this thread by msamber....YOU may have fornicated already, as in sex before marriage.....So what ! IF you are NOW living your life to the best of your ability NOT to do that again (and only with the power of our good God can you do that!) then its all forgiven, sin (like any sin, even MURDER, just ask David, Moses) becomes dropped by God's memory far as the east is from the west into the bottomless depths of the sea NEVER to be brought up again. NEVER, EVER, NEVER !!! God bless youi all.

Wait, wait... sin gets dropped by God's memory? So what's Judgment Day all about then if we are gonna be held accountable for our sins if God is gonna forget them?

 

[thimsrebma]

Wait, wait... sin gets dropped by God's memory? So what's Judgment Day all about then if we are gonna be held accountable for our sins if God is gonna forget them?

Only sin that has been repented of gets dropped. Once you repent, turn away from that sin, then its forgivien and forgotten. If you keep doing it...

(in a slow, low tone, almot singing voice) God is gonna see you.

 

[RanShaTo84]

Only sin that has been repented of gets dropped. Once you repent, turn away from that sin, then its forgivien and forgotten. If you keep doing it...

(in a slow, low tone, almot singing voice) God is gonna see you.

So basically... let's say Osama bin Laden repented of ALL the terrorist attacks he took part in and 5 minutes later got hit by a bus. That's it? God forgot it all? Bada bing, bada boom?

On a side note, how can God forget the terrorist attacks repented of when the thousands of families of the victims pray for them every day? So God is gonna forget something that is mentioned in prayer daily? If so, is He even hearing the prayers? It just doesn't make sense.