Sex before marriage follow up. Practical reasons why I dont fornicate

[NukePooch]

"Act of submission to your husband"?

My inner feminist just gagged.

I'm really sorry you don't enjoy sex anymore. It's kind of awesome.

It has nothing to do with 'not enjoying sex'. Thimsrebma's original post has to do with her discovering that there is a whole lot more to sex than what the world thinks. It is not about the physical act. The physical act by itself is just a small part of intimacy. It is so much more than that. It has everything to do with respect.

Respect for your husband/wife.
Respect for the Lord God Almighty.
Respect for yourself.
Respect for the beauty of intimacy.



(Note: I did not repeat the pogo stick comment above due to its blasphemous nature. If you could possibly refrain from such comments in the future, it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!)

 

[Jullianna]

"Act of submission to your husband"?


I'm really sorry you don't enjoy sex anymore. It's kind of awesome.

I Corinthians 7
1 Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” 2 But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband. 3 The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife. 5 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6 I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7 I wish that all of you were as I am. But each of you has your own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.

The scriptures ACTUALLY say that both husbands AND wives are to submit to one another intimately, not just the ladies.... Thought that needed some clarification.

I think all young women fall for the libber stuff in the beginning. Once they are wise enough to understand the beauty it steals from them, they drop it like it's hot.

 

[jimmydiggs]

"Act of submission to your husband"?

My inner feminist just gagged.

I'm really sorry you don't enjoy sex anymore. It's kind of awesome.

"Act of submission to worldly whims?"

The devil on a pogo stick. My inner Christian just gagged.

I'm really sorry you don't enjoy Christ anymore. It's not kind of awesome, it's really awesome.



All sarcasm aside.



When you as an atheist reject the existance of God you reject the existance of an Objective moral standard and the intrinsic value of human life. You also in one sentence have reduced yourself down to material. Think about that for a minute or two.


Let's see what the bible has to say....

Instructions for Christian Households

21 Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.

22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing[b] her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body. 31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”[c] 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

Yes, there is one line that says to submit to the husband. Submission does not equate to slavery though, and you need to keep that in mind. Submission is synonmous to compliance.


Verses 23-33 set the highest standard of worth for the female known to mankind(oh noes mankind is sexist). Especially verse 25. Verse 25 declares that I as the male must love my wife (I am not married) just the same as Christ loved the entire world, and sacrificed himself for the entire world. Just think about the scope of that. You don't have to believe it to understand the message. As an atheist you reject that, and whether you realize it or not you actually affirm worthlessness of the individual.

 

[thimsrebma]

"Act of submission to your husband"?

Jesus Christ on a pogo stick. My inner feminist just gagged.

I'm really sorry you don't enjoy sex anymore. It's kind of awesome.

Thanx Nuke, Jullianna and Jimmy for defending my original post. I am so glad y'all get what I was saying. I don't have much else to say because you said it all, scripture and everything. Well maybe just a tad more about submission...

Many people look at submission as this big scary thing, but its not, we do it all the time, we submit to the government, to the police to, our bosses and XPHINEASX, we Christians, submit to God. So it shouldn't be much for a woman to submit to a man that she has chosen to marry. Hopefully we all pick people we love and respect, we think they are good decision makers and good leaders. If your man has these characteristics then accepting his wishes as final shouldn't be that big of a deal as you respect his decision making anyway. I know everything ain't always gonna be peachy, but if you are chosing someone of God who makes decisions based off of God's word, knowledge, wisdom and discernment just as you make decisions then things may be a bit smoother.

 

[Liamson]

Wives, submit your husbands (Armbars, Triangle Chokes, Kimuras, Knee Bars)... all good reason why I'm never getting married.

 

[Jullianna]

Pffft....oh yes you will

 

[NukePooch]

Wives, submit your husbands (Armbars, Triangle Chokes, Kimuras, Knee Bars)... all good reason why I'm never getting married.

Pffft....oh yes you will

~ding ding~
In THIS cornerrrr, we have Liamson, the defender of the single, the upholder of moral values, and the keeper of all that is right and just!

And in THIS cornerrr, is Jullianna, who just likes a good fight!

Place your bets!

 

[seoulsearch]

~ding ding~
In THIS cornerrrr, we have Liamson, the defender of the single, the upholder of moral values, and the keeper of all that is right and just!

And in THIS cornerrr, is Jullianna, who just likes a good fight!

Place your bets!

This is a really tough call... but I have to keep in mind that Jullianna has a collection of high-tech, kick-butt weaponry... Oh wait, Liamson has mentioned he's taken dates to the shooting range...

WOW. This is going to be like The Expendables... Which Super Human Christian Action Star is going to win out in the end????? (Being a girl, of course I have to root for our Julli!!)

 

[xphineasx]

It has nothing to do with 'not enjoying sex'. Thimsrebma's original post has to do with her discovering that there is a whole lot more to sex than what the world thinks. It is not about the physical act. The physical act by itself is just a small part of intimacy. It is so much more than that. It has everything to do with respect.

Respect for your husband/wife.
Respect for the Lord God Almighty.
Respect for yourself.
Respect for the beauty of intimacy.



(Note: I did not repeat the pogo stick comment above due to its blasphemous nature. If you could possibly refrain from such comments in the future, it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!)

I didn't realize Pogo sticks were blasphemous.

You really don't see anything wrong with the idea that you have to submit your will to a man?

 

[xphineasx]

I Corinthians 7
1 Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” 2 But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband. 3 The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife. 5 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6 I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7 I wish that all of you were as I am. But each of you has your own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.

The scriptures ACTUALLY say that both husbands AND wives are to submit to one another intimately, not just the ladies.... Thought that needed some clarification.

I think all young women fall for the libber stuff in the beginning. Once they are wise enough to understand the beauty it steals from them, they drop it like it's hot.

The Bible says many many many times that it is women who have to submit and obey.
The beauty it steals from them? Clarify please?

 

[xphineasx]

"Act of submission to worldly whims?"

The devil on a pogo stick. My inner Christian just gagged.

I'm really sorry you don't enjoy Christ anymore. It's not kind of awesome, it's really awesome.



All sarcasm aside.



When you as an atheist reject the existance of God you reject the existance of an Objective moral standard and the intrinsic value of human life. You also in one sentence have reduced yourself down to material. Think about that for a minute or two.


Let's see what the bible has to say....



Yes, there is one line that says to submit to the husband. Submission does not equate to slavery though, and you need to keep that in mind. Submission is synonmous to compliance.


Verses 23-33 set the highest standard of worth for the female known to mankind(oh noes mankind is sexist). Especially verse 25. Verse 25 declares that I as the male must love my wife (I am not married) just the same as Christ loved the entire world, and sacrificed himself for the entire world. Just think about the scope of that. You don't have to believe it to understand the message. As an atheist you reject that, and whether you realize it or not you actually affirm worthlessness of the individual.

There's LOTS of lines in the Bible about Women having to submit.

And, sigh, let's go over this again.
YES, as an existentialist, I don't believe there is an objective moral code.
However, I do have a moral code, and a system by which to judge moral questions.

And...yeah. I guess it's a shame I don't...enjoy...things that...I dont think are real? I mean, back when I believed in unicorns was pretty cool too.

 

[xphineasx]

Thanx Nuke, Jullianna and Jimmy for defending my original post. I am so glad y'all get what I was saying. I don't have much else to say because you said it all, scripture and everything. Well maybe just a tad more about submission...

Many people look at submission as this big scary thing, but its not, we do it all the time, we submit to the government, to the police to, our bosses and XPHINEASX, we Christians, submit to God. So it shouldn't be much for a woman to submit to a man that she has chosen to marry. Hopefully we all pick people we love and respect, we think they are good decision makers and good leaders. If your man has these characteristics then accepting his wishes as final shouldn't be that big of a deal as you respect his decision making anyway. I know everything ain't always gonna be peachy, but if you are chosing someone of God who makes decisions based off of God's word, knowledge, wisdom and discernment just as you make decisions then things may be a bit smoother.

And you don't see why that's horribly sexist?

 

[NukePooch]

I didn't realize Pogo sticks were blasphemous.

You really don't see anything wrong with the idea that you have to submit your will to a man?

Pogo sticks are fine...I used to have one myself when I was young, but I never used the term while using Jesus' name in vain...

Well, as a man, I don't see anything wrong with submitting my will to another man. I do it all the time right now. My boss, for instance. If I don't submit my will to him, I will be out of a job...But, I know what you're referring to.

We all submit our wills to others. It's part of being human. In a marriage, one person has to be the head. God designed it that men are supposed to be the head of the relationship. If it's reversed, where the woman is the head of the marriage, it usually doesn't work near as well...and if both are the 'heads' of the marriage...well, that's just as bad as if neither is the head. Disaster results.

In today's society, it is painfully obvious what happens when there is not strong leadership. Our society's children are absolutely out of control.

Everyone needs to be a leader AND a follower...to be exclusively one or the other is to go against the way we were designed. In marriages, we are designed to submit and respect, both men and women. To go to the extremes either way is to invite disaster...

What is referred to by 'wives submit to your husbands' is a healthy respect and submission...NOT a blind following and catering to the man's every whim.

 

[next_step]

And you don't see why that's horribly sexist?

According to your subjective morality? Since there is no intersubjective morality how can I possibly empathize with you?

 

[thimsrebma]

Pogo sticks are fine...I used to have one myself when I was young, but I never used the term while using Jesus' name in vain...

Well, as a man, I don't see anything wrong with submitting my will to another man. I do it all the time right now. My boss, for instance. If I don't submit my will to him, I will be out of a job...But, I know what you're referring to.

We all submit our wills to others. It's part of being human. In a marriage, one person has to be the head. God designed it that men are supposed to be the head of the relationship. If it's reversed, where the woman is the head of the marriage, it usually doesn't work near as well...and if both are the 'heads' of the marriage...well, that's just as bad as if neither is the head. Disaster results.

In today's society, it is painfully obvious what happens when there is not strong leadership. Our society's children are absolutely out of control.

Everyone needs to be a leader AND a follower...to be exclusively one or the other is to go against the way we were designed. In marriages, we are designed to submit and respect, both men and women. To go to the extremes either way is to invite disaster...

What is referred to by 'wives submit to your husbands' is a healthy respect and submission...NOT a blind following and catering to the man's every whim.

Thank you Nume.

Is it just me or do yall feel another submission thread coming on?

 

[thimsrebma]

And you don't see why that's horribly sexist?

No, I don't. It is God's design. We like to view submission as subservient but thats not what it is. It is not by force it is by choice to allow your man, whom God gave to you as the head of the house to be just that.

Do you rebel against or undermine your boss. or do you follow the rules and guidance that they have given you as authority? Maybe you don't always agree with their final decision but there is a reason they are the boss and not you. Maybe they know some things that you don't, maybe they have paid some dues to get there. When their pans work great do you celebrate in the success or do you wish they had failed? Even If their decisions don't work out so well do you throw it in their face or are you there to help remedy the problem? No matter what you have to submit or you may be out of a J O B.

I praise the Lord in advanced for the day I am granted a husband who will be the head over our house. I am greatful for a man who will be accountable for how we treat each other, raise our kids and provide service for our community. I am so happy to have that leadership when the world wants everyone to be so I N D E P E N D E N T, that they fail to realize they shouldn't, can't and therefor won't, be able to accomplish everything on their own.

Thank you Jesus.

 

[Jullianna]

The Bible says many many many times that it is women who have to submit and obey.
The beauty it steals from them? Clarify please?

Yes, there are scriptures regarding the submission of women in the church and in the home to men (with which I also agree btw), but this thread is not about that. This thread is about biblical sexual relations. Therefore, the scripture I posted regarding mutual intimate submission is the applicable scripture.

My first inclination was not to respond due to the extreme lack of respect that has been shown in more than one thread here and because I do not want to de-rail this thread and turn it into a thread about submission (when there are tons of those already). However, the submission of my heart to my God requires that I take the time to explain, one time only, what I meant regarding the beauty being a libber steals from women.

Many young women, including myself, are taught that we will somehow be second class citizens if we submit to our husbands. The major oppositions to these seem to be 1. objectification; and 2. professional advancement limitations.

If we marry ungodly men, it's highly probable; not just possible, that this will occur. If we marry truly godly men who are seeking the ways of God as richly as we are, it's a lie straight out of hell.

A godly man who cherishes his wife as Christ cherishes the Church will love her in a way that even ungodly women only dream of. He is a MAN'S MAN who is not intimidated by an intelligent, capable wife. A man you can respect, honor, and, yes, even submit to, without the least hesitation. Or he CAN be if she doesn't get in the way and steal that from him (and, ultimately steal from herself and her children). He will care for you (even though he fully recognizes that you are probably caring for him more than he for you ), protect you in ways you never thought you needed, teach you more than you could imagine wanting to know, fight for you even when you aren't there and don't know it, stand with you regarding the things you believe in and encourage you to be everything you have the potential to be, just as Christ does for the children of God. It's a beauty that is indescribable. I pray you someday know what I mean.

 

[Jullianna]

~ding ding~
In THIS cornerrrr, we have Liamson, the defender of the single, the upholder of moral values, and the keeper of all that is right and just!

And in THIS cornerrr, is Jullianna, who just likes a good fight!

Place your bets!

If I were a bettin' woman, my money would be on the lady who understands Liamson enough to know what it is that he really wants, who will fill his romantic heart and totally blow his mind.

And...I never draw first blood hahaha

 

[thimsrebma]

Yes, there are scriptures regarding the submission of women in the church and in the home to men (with which I also agree btw), but this thread is not about that. This thread is about biblical sexual relations. Therefore, the scripture I posted regarding mutual intimate submission is the applicable scripture.

My first inclination was not to respond due to the extreme lack of respect that has been shown in more than one thread here and because I do not want to de-rail this thread and turn it into a thread about submission (when there are tons of those already). However, the submission of my heart to my God requires that I take the time to explain, one time only, what I meant regarding the beauty being a libber steals from women.

Many young women, including myself, are taught that we will somehow be second class citizens if we submit to our husbands. The major oppositions to these seem to be 1. objectification; and 2. professional advancement limitations.

If we marry ungodly men, it's highly probable; not just possible, that this will occur. If we marry truly godly men who are seeking the ways of God as richly as we are, it's a lie straight out of hell.

A godly man who cherishes his wife as Christ cherishes the Church will love her in a way that even ungodly women only dream of. He is a MAN'S MAN who is not intimidated by an intelligent, capable wife. A man you can respect, honor, and, yes, even submit to, without the least hesitation. Or he CAN be if she doesn't get in the way and steal that from him (and, ultimately steal from herself and her children). He will care for you (even though he fully recognizes that you are probably caring for him more than he for you ), protect you in ways you never thought you needed, teach you more than you could imagine wanting to know, fight for you even when you aren't there and don't know it, stand with you regarding the things you believe in and encourage you to be everything you have the potential to be, just as Christ does for the children of God. It's a beauty that is indescribable. I pray you someday know what I mean.

Amen Sister. Praise the Lord!

 

[princessbella]

i love what you said julianna, thats the kind of husband i want and pray i have one day