Talking about Homosexuality and all the other “stuff”

[SarahUmbreon]

Are you for real? What part of I don't uphold gays, do you not get?

As far as killing anyone goes, you had better take that up with God. There is not one place in the New Testament where we are instructed to kill gays or sinners. Is there?

I just did a quick google search, it has a bunch a verses talking about sin in the Bible, would look up more stuff, but can’t, busy with online gameplay:

https://www.openbible.info/topics/treating_sinners

 

[J-T]

But anyway, enough about me, so this is my problem with the “homosexuality group”, one is that most of them are not nice and two is the group of Christians who say: “Yeah we support homosexuality and think a person can be a homosexual and Christian”.


NOPE. Perverts can NOT be Christians. The Bible is very plain about that. God calls homosexuals abominations. Ancient cities used to round em all up ever so often and put them out of the cities, and told them they would be killed if they came back. GOD has not changed his mind on this, only folks without God in their lives have.

Understand that I am not a member of any group you described. Please prayerfully read these passages very carefully and explain how and why it is that you disagree and contradict The Lord Jesus Christ with what Apostle Paul wrote by inspiration of The Holy Ghost:
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1Ti 1:1-2 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope; Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

1Ti 1:3-4 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine, Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

1Ti 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

1Ti 1:6-7 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

1Ti 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

1Ti 1:9-11 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

1Ti 1:12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief. And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

1Ti 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

1Ti 1:16-17 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
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1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
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Mat 9:10 And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.

Mat 9:11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?

Mat 9:12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.

Mat 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
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Luk 12:1 In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.
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The Lord Jesus Christ can, has, and is saving sinners including homosexuals.
I also suggest reading Romans 1-2 Chapter 2 is very important to grasp with chapter 1 and compare those with the above referenced passages.
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Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

 

[surfer14]

Are you for real? What part of I don't uphold gays, do you not get?

As far as killing anyone goes, you had better take that up with God. There is not one place in the New Testament where we are instructed to kill gays or sinners. Is there?

You are the one advocating for them. That's what I don't get.

I can only think of one place in the NT where proper use of the death penalty is discussed. That is where the thief on the cross says that his own crucifixion punishment is just. Jesus did not see fit to correct him. Other than that, I can't think of where the NT gets into proper laws and punishments. So according to your "logic" then murders shouldn't be punished - let alone executed.

I am now done with this subject.

 

[J-T]

we are called to speak the truth as Jesus did, as you said, no more doubts, the Bible is very clear about the matter,

[1 Corinthians 6:9-10

9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.]

if they read truly genuine christian thoughs from the bible the will read passages like this so why we should change or make it soft? for what reason? to be pleasant to men? better be severe and make the sin known to the person rather then be soft.
This is the case for every human and whatever the sin could be, Jesus died for our sins and without His death we would have ended at the hell. So people have to be concerned of their condition because it's taking them to hell. There is so much more to say in terms of homosexuality, the devils lies and so on....

And in agreement with Silverwings, submit your thoughts to the authority of christ, none has the power to stand over His autorithy, none, your thoughts neither. And reply also with the word of God when the enemy comes, like Jesus did in the wilderness temptation.

Are you rightly dividing the Word of God per 2Timothy 2:15-16?
Have you fully spoken truth as The Lord Jesus Christ did?
Did you forget to include verse 11? Please see:
>>>> Post #42 <<<<

 

[1ofthem]

You are the one advocating for them. That's what I don't get.

I can only think of one place in the NT where proper use of the death penalty is discussed. That is where the thief on the cross says that his own crucifixion punishment is just. Jesus did not see fit to correct him. Other than that, I can't think of where the NT gets into proper laws and punishments. So according to your "logic" then murders shouldn't be punished - let alone executed.

I am now done with this subject.

Yeah, ok I am advocating that people not get put to death for sin. However, I have no where advocated for gays or any other sin for that matter. I think you really need to check your attitude with the Bible. You are way out of line and over the top on this subject, in my opinion.

Read this passage about it:
1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Copied from @J-T post right above yours. You may want to read that whole post because I think it is really good and goes along with this subject well.

We have all sinned in one way or another, and if not for Jesus we would have all died in those sins. I'm glad God gives people a chance for repentance through his Son Jesus Christ.

 

[kaylagrl]

Adultery isn't as cancerous to the culture as homosexuality.

I think children from broken homes may feel different about that POV. I think spouses who have been cheated on and their homes and dreams left shattered would feel different too. Both are sexual sin and a cancer to the foundation of the family God set for us.

But if you insist on the death penalty for adulterers I guess I'd be fine with that also.

Because of Christ's death we are living under grace, if not most of us would not be left standing.

Why do you have so much sympathy homosexuals?

Because that person has a soul. They are in bondage and they need someone to show them the way out. I 100% disagree with homosexuality. I don't believe in glossing over the truth and it should be preached. But you ought to have sympathy for anyone lost in sin. How can they know the way out if no one will show them the way? There are people who have come out of this bondage, married and helped others and showed them the truth. Jesus has love and compassion for the sinner, so should we because He had compassion on us.

 

[Lanolin]

People are people.
Its a bit alarming some of the attitudes aired on here.
Many cities have an element of sodom and gomorah in them but most christians dont go round with flaming crosses bombing them. If you really cant handle what other people do (in terms of sin) then just leave them alone. Its not going to infect you if you are living in the spirit of christ, plus its not actually our jobs to condemn anyone.

Let God do the convicting and you just do the loving.

if someone got covid say a member of your family, would you just leave them to die, or would you make sure they got the best treatment possible

 

[Susanna]

LOL. I'd like to see you "deal with God accordingly" while you're at it.

Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Ban the Bible from the Christian website! It's hate speech! LOL!

It saddens me to realize that you’re not familiar with the Grace of God. You should start praying for the sinners, including yourself, instead of wishing death upon them.

I will be praying for you.

 

[tourist]

Adultery isn't as cancerous to the culture as homosexuality. But if you insist on the death penalty for adulterers I guess I'd be fine with that also.

Jesus was not teaching contrary to Moses. Look at the law. Look at the burden of proof requirements.

Why do you have so much sympathy homosexuals? Is it because you're trying to be true to God? Or is it because you're trying to gain the approval of the secular world? Stop trying to please those who hate Jesus. If they don't hate you and hate what you stand for, then I think you're doing it wrong.

The truth is I am not seeking the approval or trying to please anyone. Adultery destroys families, in that regard it is even more cancerous than practicing homosexuals. Moses said a lot of things, very few which apply today. I am not insisting at all the death penalty for adultery or homosexual behavior. I was contrasting what Jesus said about adultery verses what Moses said about it. It was two very different things.

 

[tourist]

Are you for real? What part of I don't uphold gays, do you not get?

As far as killing anyone goes, you had better take that up with God. There is not one place in the New Testament where we are instructed to kill gays or sinners. Is there?

No there isn't. I fully concur with your estimate.

 

[powderman]

I promise you this. There never has been, is not now, nor ever will be ANY PRACTICING, UNREPENTANT homosexuals in Heaven, note the key words. Every Preacher in the world should be standing tall and telling the truth about homosexuality, and butchering babies, but too many are afraid they will offend certain folks, run them away, and lose money. We should ALL be more concerned about offending GOD, than any man. CHARLIE.

 

[J-T]

I promise you this. There never has been, is not now, nor ever will be ANY PRACTICING, UNREPENTANT homosexuals in Heaven, note the key words. Every Preacher in the world should be standing tall and telling the truth about homosexuality, and butchering babies, but too many are afraid they will offend certain folks, run them away, and lose money. We should ALL be more concerned about offending GOD, than any man. CHARLIE.

If you read 1Timothy 1, it should go without saying that there will be no unrepent sinner in heaven. It is good to teach the truth about sin, including the sin of homosexuality. Not only should Preachers be standing tall speaking out against the evil and calling it out for what it is, they also need to be in a position to preach the Biblical Gospel of salvation to them. Perhaps soon, we can delve into Romans 1 and do a study to be able to get a full grasp of the "judgement" along with the root cause so that we can be in a better position to be able to reach out to the lost that are homosexuals, as we also should to murderers, whoremongers, adulterers, and the rest. The point is that God can save sinners and deliver them from their lives of darkness, and He is no respecter of persons.

There is another verse that I want to point out, and that is one of the signs of the last days is that sin will abound and the love of the greater number will wax cold. That verse can be found in the context of Matthew 24 I am witnessing that come to pass, even with the likes of Steven Anderson who stood tall before the world as a Pharisee, and a most unrepentant Pharisee. The Lord Jesus Christ also said in that passage that there will be many stumbling blocks. This is but one of many.

 

[surfer14]

There is another verse that I want to point out, and that is one of the signs of the last days is that sin will abound and the love of the greater number will wax cold. That verse can be found in the context of Matthew 24 I am witnessing that come to pass, even with the likes of Steven Anderson who stood tall before the world as a Pharisee, and a most unrepentant Pharisee. The Lord Jesus Christ also said in that passage that there will be many stumbling blocks. This is but one of many.

The love of the greater number will wax cold.
Then you point to Steven Anderson as an example of the greater number.
Most Christians disagree with Steven Anderson. So I don't understand why you would say that.

Steven Anderson represents the tiny minority - not the greater number. I think the greater number has a lack of love for the future generations. That's one reason they're unwilling to see sinners face punishment. They think they're being compassionate, but in reality it's the opposite.

 

[J-T]

The love of the greater number will wax cold.
Then you point to Steven Anderson as an example of the greater number.
Most Christians disagree with Steven Anderson. So I don't understand why you would say that.

Steven Anderson represents the tiny minority - not the greater number. I think the greater number has a lack of love for the future generations. That's one reason they're unwilling to see sinners face punishment. They think they're being compassionate, but in reality it's the opposite.

Please understand that I used Steven Anderson as a prime example of a Pharisee. I would disagree that Steven Anderson represents a tiny minority. I have seen a lot more than just Steven Anderson do that.

I also agree with you that a greater number also has a lack of love for future generations, and it is also because they themselves are not abiding in sound Biblical doctrine, as there is a growing famine for the hearing of the words of The Lord. I also agree that this so-called compassionate crowd coddle and embrace open sin rather than refute it with the preaching of the Biblical Gospel, among other heretical positions including the embracing of false prophet groups and other religions. This is the Luke Warm Church.

Neither group is fruitful, and it has led to the extreme polar opposite positions that can confuse anyone, and most especially those that are not grounded with understanding of what is written in The Holy Bible. It is also important to point out that we are witnessing the great falling away from the faith per 2Thessalonians 2 and what we are touching on with this subject are contributing factors.

 

[surfer14]

Please understand that I used Steven Anderson as a prime example of a Pharisee. I would disagree that Steven Anderson represents a tiny minority. I have seen a lot more than just Steven Anderson do that.

Are you saying that Steven Anderson represents the majority? the "greater number"? How many people agreed with me when I said that the state should execute sodomites because of the damage they do to the society? None. They're all just caught up in showing off how loving and "christlike" they are. It's the christian version of virtue signalling.

I'd be interested if we did a survey on this site. Might not be perfect, but it could give you an idea of what direction the "greater number" is going.

Those stumbling blocks you mentioned? One big reason people refuse to name sin is because it strikes too close to home. They've got a gay cousin or whatever. The other way it might strike close to home is if they themselves engaged in that sin. If you did X, then you'll naturally be hesitant if someone comes along and says X is wrong and people that do X should be punished. Those are stumbling blocks.

 

[J-T]

Are you saying that Steven Anderson represents the majority? the "greater number"? How many people agreed with me when I said that the state should execute sodomites because of the damage they do to the society? None. They're all just caught up in showing off how loving and "christlike" they are. It's the christian version of virtue signalling.

I'd be interested if we did a survey on this site. Might not be perfect, but it could give you an idea of what direction the "greater number" is going.

Those stumbling blocks you mentioned? One big reason people refuse to name sin is because it strikes too close to home. They've got a gay cousin or whatever. The other way it might strike close to home is if they themselves engaged in that sin. If you did X, then you'll naturally be hesitant if someone comes along and says X is wrong and people that do X should be punished. Those are stumbling blocks.

There was nothing confusing with what I stated. I said what I meant and meant what I said.

Per your remark of "execute sodomites" .... You are not God. Vengence belongs to The Lord, and to The Lord alone. There was a time when the Tribe of Bejamin turned their backs on The Lord and were given over to reprobate mind, and did those things which were unseemly where the men lied down in with men, and so forth. But The LORD is the one that excuted the judgement, and The LORD also showed great mercy on a remnant of the Tribe of Benjamin so as to not completely wipe them out. He healed them of their homosexuality and gave them wives. Apostle Paul, who The Lord Jesus Christ's chosen Apostle to the Gentiles is also of the Tribe of Benjamin, and the Tribe of Benjamin will also have a major role during the Great Tribulation per what is written in Revelation 7 The passage pertaining to the Old Testment situation with the Tribe of Bejamin is found in the Book of Judges. Judges 21 is the passage relating to God's mercy on the Tribe of Bejamin.

You are in serious error. Futhermore, you are targeting a particular group in hypocrisy, and working to incite ungodliness here.

This is proof of your ungodly hypocrisy as you have wrongfully justified the sin adultery: (I encourage repentance);

https://christianchat.com/christian-family-forum/the-sin-of-refusing-sex.192255/page-11#post-4364083

If you're married, then sex is in the job description. Don't feel like it? Too bad. Guess what - I don't feel like going to work in the morning either. But I do it.

If you pull the headache excuse all the time, then you deserve to get cheated on. Husband or wife.

In the following passage, consider why and for what purpose it was that the Scribes and Pharisees brought in the woman caught in adultery. What was it that made them hypocrites? What do you suppose Jesus wrote on the ground with His finger? What did Jesus say in verse 7? What was the result of what Jesus wrote on the ground in verse 9? What did Jesus say to the woman that He showed mercy to and saved? Did He condemn her?
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Joh 8:1 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.

Joh 8:2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.

Joh 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,

Joh 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

Joh 8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

Joh 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

Joh 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

Joh 8:8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

Joh 8:9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

Joh 8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

 

[soggykitten]

I first of all wouldn't have an issue with how people choose to cut their hair or leave it to go long. The Nazarene males in Jesus' time grew their hair long. That would then appear right in God's eyes.

As for your concerns about being a gay woman, really, whose to say? The Bible is a composition of Tribal and cultural politics of the ancient Jews, old testament, as well as the new.

We know through just the reading of Job that the adversary cannot do anything, has no power over us, without God's permission. Satan also lost his reign over death when Jesus died and resurrected after crucifixion on the cross.
Therefore, Satan is limited. And he certainly cannot create anything at all.

Therein is the question. If a tender age child feels attracted to the same sex is that Satan? Or is that how they're made by God? Sexual immorality is a sin for all people not just gays. Sodom and Gomorrah's sins were many and included sexual immorality amid straight and homosexuals. Unfortunately, S&G is often referred to as being destroyed solely due to the gays in residence and not unusually, by the most strict of fundamentalists. But the Bible says otherwise.
So God judged sexual immorality among all people there. Among their other sins, like vice, and lack of charity, etc...

Now, as to you. At 25 years of age you're old enough to know what sensual attraction feels like. Perhaps a self inventory is in order. How do you feel when you're around the same sex, females? And the opposite sex?

Too often people are turned away from the path of the way of Christ because the only Bible they've met in person are judgmental condemning people who claim to represent Christ, and then cast upon them aspersions, ridicule, and condemnation based on appearances alone.

Who'd want to join a club like that if those are the examples of the members?

The point I guess I'm trying to make in this ramble is, did God create people to be gay? Since the Devil cannot create, what are we to make of children who feel attracted to the same sex at a young age? I was aware of my sexuality when I was young. I'm straight.

Maybe this is the thing we're to make of this life. The Jews of the ancient time counted their tribal strength and line by blood, and Judaism passed through the Matrilinial line. The female. While tribal blood passed through the sire, the father. That is why there were no surnames back then. One was identified by their father's name. I.E. in the case of Jesus as example. Yeshua bin <"son of" Joseph.
If someone was gay there would be no descendants. No blood line into the future, in the case of an only child house. So, were gays stoned to death for that reason? While it was attributed to God being opposed to gays existing?

Satan can only influence. God is the sole creator of all things.
What gives me pause in wondering of the difference are the people who have known they were gay since a young age. I can respect that in the sense that I knew at a very young age I was straight. Never a doubt.

Further, and a friend of mine who joined Christian discussion forums long before I did and who noticed that without fail every forum , rules permitting, inevitably had someone posting the question , is masturbation a sin? Or something along that line. And without fail the resounding unanimous responses to such query was, no, it's a sin! Don't do it!
Meanwhile, celibacy till marriage is a hard and fast rule.

After seeing that in every forum she either joined or considered while lurking to join, she arrived at a conclusion she shared with me. Maybe this will coincide with your question about your sexuality.

Here's God, the awesome, benevolent, magnificent, all powerful creator and source of all things that exist. Past, present, future. Knows all, see's all, is within and of all because all things that exist are of and from God. The body when we die returns to the dust from which we sprang, and our souls, the scripture doesn't specify saved souls, return to the God who gave it.
And of all things that occupy God's attentions as supreme power, energy, creator of all things known and unknown, seen and unseen, incomprehensible things with regard to our consciousness, the thing that occupies his time is to watch and make sure we don't masturbate.



I've met many a good person who also happens to be gay. When I do, I don't stand in judgment of them right off the bat, as in, hi, you're going to Hell! I don't treat them any different than I treat anyone else.

And believe it or not there are plenty of gay Christians who are very good people.

There's a saying in the faith, God knows his own.

Do we look at those who are gay and see that before we consider anything else about them? Do we judge, bring down that curtain of separation between us and them, if we know they're gay or suspect it?

My advice is, pray, commit to introspection and trust God. And always love yourself. God doesn't make mistakes. Don't feel like one. You'll find your way and your self. Just trust God.
Don't worry about what people think. We're so screwed up to this day God knows we needed a savior. Then and now.

 

[surfer14]

Per your remark of "execute sodomites" .... You are not God. Vengence belongs to The Lord, and to The Lord alone.

So no punishment for murderers, rapists, or pedo's either? You're fine with all of it? Only God will punish? Should we even throw them in jail?? Perhaps not if vengance belongs to the Lord? If it's okay to punish murderers, why is it not okay to punish sodomites?

You are in serious error. Futhermore, you are targeting a particular group in hypocrisy, and working to incite ungodliness here.

This is proof of your ungodly hypocrisy as you have wrongfully justified the sin adultery: (I encourage repentance);

https://christianchat.com/christian-family-forum/the-sin-of-refusing-sex.192255/page-11#post-4364083

My post was not in any way intended to "justify adultery". The whole point of what I said was show that bad behavior will bring about bad responses. Sin on your part can lead others to also sin. If A leads to B and you do A, then don't complain about B. That was the point.

In the following passage, consider why and for what purpose it was that the Scribes and Pharisees brought in the woman caught in adultery...

Sure. I agree. It's good to be merciful. Never said it wasn't good to be merciful. But at a certain point, actions need to have consequences.

 

[SarahUmbreon]

I first of all wouldn't have an issue with how people choose to cut their hair or leave it to go long. The Nazarene males in Jesus' time grew their hair long. That would then appear right in God's eyes.

As for your concerns about being a gay woman, really, whose to say? The Bible is a composition of Tribal and cultural politics of the ancient Jews, old testament, as well as the new.

We know through just the reading of Job that the adversary cannot do anything, has no power over us, without God's permission. Satan also lost his reign over death when Jesus died and resurrected after crucifixion on the cross.
Therefore, Satan is limited. And he certainly cannot create anything at all.

Therein is the question. If a tender age child feels attracted to the same sex is that Satan? Or is that how they're made by God? Sexual immorality is a sin for all people not just gays. Sodom and Gomorrah's sins were many and included sexual immorality amid straight and homosexuals. Unfortunately, S&G is often referred to as being destroyed solely due to the gays in residence and not unusually, by the most strict of fundamentalists. But the Bible says otherwise.
So God judged sexual immorality among all people there. Among their other sins, like vice, and lack of charity, etc...

Now, as to you. At 25 years of age you're old enough to know what sensual attraction feels like. Perhaps a self inventory is in order. How do you feel when you're around the same sex, females? And the opposite sex?

Too often people are turned away from the path of the way of Christ because the only Bible they've met in person are judgmental condemning people who claim to represent Christ, and then cast upon them aspersions, ridicule, and condemnation based on appearances alone.

Who'd want to join a club like that if those are the examples of the members?

The point I guess I'm trying to make in this ramble is, did God create people to be gay? Since the Devil cannot create, what are we to make of children who feel attracted to the same sex at a young age? I was aware of my sexuality when I was young. I'm straight.

Maybe this is the thing we're to make of this life. The Jews of the ancient time counted their tribal strength and line by blood, and Judaism passed through the Matrilinial line. The female. While tribal blood passed through the sire, the father. That is why there were no surnames back then. One was identified by their father's name. I.E. in the case of Jesus as example. Yeshua bin <"son of" Joseph.
If someone was gay there would be no descendants. No blood line into the future, in the case of an only child house. So, were gays stoned to death for that reason? While it was attributed to God being opposed to gays existing?

Satan can only influence. God is the sole creator of all things.
What gives me pause in wondering of the difference are the people who have known they were gay since a young age. I can respect that in the sense that I knew at a very young age I was straight. Never a doubt.

Further, and a friend of mine who joined Christian discussion forums long before I did and who noticed that without fail every forum , rules permitting, inevitably had someone posting the question , is masturbation a sin? Or something along that line. And without fail the resounding unanimous responses to such query was, no, it's a sin! Don't do it!
Meanwhile, celibacy till marriage is a hard and fast rule.

After seeing that in every forum she either joined or considered while lurking to join, she arrived at a conclusion she shared with me. Maybe this will coincide with your question about your sexuality.

Here's God, the awesome, benevolent, magnificent, all powerful creator and source of all things that exist. Past, present, future. Knows all, see's all, is within and of all because all things that exist are of and from God. The body when we die returns to the dust from which we sprang, and our souls, the scripture doesn't specify saved souls, return to the God who gave it.
And of all things that occupy God's attentions as supreme power, energy, creator of all things known and unknown, seen and unseen, incomprehensible things with regard to our consciousness, the thing that occupies his time is to watch and make sure we don't masturbate.



I've met many a good person who also happens to be gay. When I do, I don't stand in judgment of them right off the bat, as in, hi, you're going to Hell! I don't treat them any different than I treat anyone else.

And believe it or not there are plenty of gay Christians who are very good people.

There's a saying in the faith, God knows his own.

Do we look at those who are gay and see that before we consider anything else about them? Do we judge, bring down that curtain of separation between us and them, if we know they're gay or suspect it?

My advice is, pray, commit to introspection and trust God. And always love yourself. God doesn't make mistakes. Don't feel like one. You'll find your way and your self. Just trust God.
Don't worry about what people think. We're so screwed up to this day God knows we needed a savior. Then and now.

I see what you are saying, but I have never dated before and I know this is happening for a reason, for the lord lets everything happen for a reason. He made me and these trials that are happening, I know they happen for a reason.

I’ve made up my mind that if I do turn out to be gay, then I WILL NEVER marry and stay to celibacy, but saying that pisses me off because it sounds like I’m giving up, cause I haven’t even thought of dating a guy or taking a guy seriously, cause I never wanted to be married. If there is sin that be prevented, then I will try my best to prevent it, that’s what I mean when I’m saying that I will practice celibacy. I’m also sorry in saying this, I legit don’t get how someone can claim to be Christian and gay, because the Bible is very much anti-homosexuality. I was talking about it with my therapist, and no matter how my body reacts, I don’t have to act on it. Just because I get anxious, worried, or turned on, doesn’t mean I have to do anything and can simply ignore it.

Also to be honest, I don’t know how to masurbate (I apparently don’t know how to spell either) and what love is. Honestly I just tell people it’s easier to hate me, rather than love me, because I’m so focused on my opinions and my Christianity.

I do love people and I want to see no one suffering, but this world’s morals and what it stands for, ARE DEAD TO ME. I don’t care for this world. I will share the love I have for God, and will try my best to follow his footsteps.

If anyone hates me for my stance right now, then fine, the lord said the journey to follow him would not be easy and I’m just a loner, easy to hate, hard to love/like.

 

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So no punishment for murderers, rapists, or pedo's either? You're fine with all of it? Only God will punish? Should we even throw them in jail?? Perhaps not if vengance belongs to the Lord? If it's okay to punish murderers, why is it not okay to punish sodomites?

The entire world is become likened unto Sodom and Gomorrah. Laws in nearly every nation has redefined marriage. If you read your Bible, you would know that this is all prophecy in progressive fulfillment as there is a great falling away from the faith. In the meantime, Christians are to preach the Word. Not be swallowed up with the affairs of the world. You would understand that too, if you read your Bible. As I wrote in my previous post, The Lord is still saving sinners, including homosexuals. The Lord will also save sinners during the Great tribulation, and this will also include homosexuals. What you are doing is elevating one sin above all of the others, and have not presented anything edifying toward helping anyone that is struggling with the sin, nor anything that is godly about reaching the lost with the Gospel for salvation with the short time that we have. In the meantime, the world is on a head collision course of being completely taken captive.

My post was not in any way intended to "justify adultery". The whole point of what I said was show that bad behavior will bring about bad responses. Sin on your part can lead others to also sin. If A leads to B and you do A, then don't complain about B. That was the point.

Your post was carnal and inappropriate. No one deserves to be cheated on, and nowhere in the Bible is it advocated for the reason you outlined. There is no justification for what you wrote.

Sure. I agree. It's good to be merciful. Never said it wasn't good to be merciful. But at a certain point, actions need to have consequences.

You did well with the first three sentences in response the passage of John 1:8-11, but you derailed with your last remark. Christians are to preach repentance, not vengeance.