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How would you rate your "romantic relationship with the opposite sex" knowledge?

  • I've got some of the basics I think, but I've got a long way to go yet

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Lynx

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#21
Uh... Cephas_rock you didn't answer the question seoulsearch asked. What she asked was "If you get married, does it magically cure a lust/porn problem like Christians say it will? Or does the problem persist even after you are married?"

The question you appear to be answering is "How do you deal with a sex drive until you get married" which is an entirely different question that has been answered thoroughly and repeatedly through the many, many years this forum has been here. However I have never in all those years seen an answer to the question seoulsearch actually asked. So I'm curious if you will please answer that.

Basically, christians tell you to get married in order to handle a sex drive - that it is the cure-all for lust, you will magically not be addicted to porn any more, you will not ogle attractive women in real life, you won't have lustful thoughts about anybody else but your wife, if you just get married. seoulsearch is asking you if that really works that way.

(If I misinterpreted what seoulsearch said, don't worry... she'll correct me soon enough.) :p
 

tourist

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#23
My wife has probably twice as many seasonings as in that rack. Most of them she has had for years and they are still unopened. My basic spices is salt, black pepper, white pepper, garlic powder, and onion salt. On occasions will use thyme and oregano. Based on my own marital experience I would have to say having a good wife is the spice of life.
 

JustEli

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Actually, about that... subhumanoidal is quite accurate. Most of us here are pretty happy being single, or at least not wanting to find a date right now for one reason or another. Some have been burned in past relationships and don't want to be burned again; some don't even want to think about a relationship right now with all the other stuff going on in their lives; others (like me) are just apathetic about the whole romance thing.

That was less a bucket of cold water and more a reality check. If you re-read what he said you will get a pretty good overview of the general mindset here in Singles Forum. Of course most of us will phrase it more politely, and there are exceptions here and there, but for the most part we here don't really care about romantic relationships right now.

"more polite" I love that part. Uh hem....... sorry to interrupt.
 
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Uh... Cephas_rock you didn't answer the question seoulsearch asked. What she asked was "If you get married, does it magically cure a lust/porn problem like Christians say it will? Or does the problem persist even after you are married?"

The question you appear to be answering is "How do you deal with a sex drive until you get married" which is an entirely different question that has been answered thoroughly and repeatedly through the many, many years this forum has been here. However I have never in all those years seen an answer to the question seoulsearch actually asked. So I'm curious if you will please answer that.

Basically, christians tell you to get married in order to handle a sex drive - that it is the cure-all for lust, you will magically not be addicted to porn any more, you will not ogle attractive women in real life, you won't have lustful thoughts about anybody else but your wife, if you just get married. seoulsearch is asking you if that really works that way.

(If I misinterpreted what seoulsearch said, don't worry... she'll correct me soon enough.) :p
OK, fair enough Lynx, I see what you mean. I think my answer still has relevance, but I take your point about the finer focus being on AFTER one is married. I got kinda tunnel-focused on the portion talking about "getting married just to have sex" [sic].

So, does getting married offer any silver bullet remedy? No, because it's not designed to. One thing I got right in my original answer is that things like lust and temptation are a "salvation journey" issue, not a physical, mental or emotional thing. Yes, there are manifestations of lust that drive us to giving in, but the underlying cause of the lust and giving in is spiritual. That is, it's a lack on our part to really trust the Lord and make Him our portion, to make Him our "everything". Whenever I give these replies, please know that I'm always speaking as much to myself as anyone reading these. I've not "arrived", and don't expect to ever do so, because life isn't an "A to B" thing, as much as we men would love it to be so, ha ha ha.

Is porn and sexual lust potentially a "problem" after someone gets married? Yes. But the real questions is "Why?" It ought not to be. But yet, for many, it is. As I alluded to in my original message, there are things that play into lust, which is really "just" a temptation from Satan. OK, so there are physical things that drive us towards being interested in sex, but as Christians, especially those who've been on the journey for more than a year or two, we ought to know we have the power and tools to help us overcome any and all temptation, including sexual ones. Just because our body says, "Hey, I crave release. RIGHT NOW!", doesn't mean we give into it just because it's not our body saying, "Hey, I crave a huge feed of junk food, RIGHT NOW!" Both are still (potentially) unhealthy cravings, over which we have full control to deny or go with.

One of the points I was driving at in the first reply is that many Christians really don't trust the Lord for their "sustenance", which includes the power to reform their thinking and lustful appetites. We're talking about sex here, but those who suffer from other "lusts of the eyes / flesh" struggle just as fiercely. To throw our hands up and say, "Oh, well, they're just natural cravings everyone has, and we'll just cope with it" isn't an answer, as the Lord has promised us the power to renew out minds, hearts and souls. Otherwise, we end up having to agree that God "makes" us with in-built faults and flaws, and that's a REALLY slippery slope I've slid down far too many times!

You'll hear me say this a lot, but having observed, talked to and counseled hundreds of couples over my lifetime (yes, in a totally non-professional capacity), I've noted that the majority of marriages and relationships I encounter are unhealthy to a reasonable degree. Whether that be due to mis-match in personalities, unequal yoking, or 101 other factors, I've become acutely aware that the primary reason most relationships / marriages aren't very good, or just plain suck, is that couple do NOT spend enough time building a deep, solid, committed friendship, WITHOUT the view of "I'm grooming you for marriage", to act as a basis for a marriage.

People get very upset with me when I say this next bit, and if I get flack over it be ready to get some major pushback because I'm 100% convinced of my position, but the truth is we can't love someone we don't know. True? True. We can love a stranger with the love of Jesus, but in terms of romantic human love, any love that ISN'T based on knowing someone, well, is infatuation. True? True. Therefore, since MOST people (not all, of course) short-circuit the natural order God created of us meeting a range of people, founding friendships, and slowly growing to know people in a progressive way that allows love to naturally bloom from a deep "knowing" of a person, MOST people end up in marriages with someone they don't know that well. I could bore you all with countless anecdotal evidence for this, suffice it to say that I'm quite sure this is accurate, and provably so.

THUS - taking all that into account - when we go into marriage with someone who isn't truly, totally, and utterly our best friend, who we don't trust 1000000%, who we don't know inside and out, why should we expect our sexual connection with them to be anything but dissatisfying? Sex is sex. It's fun for a bit, then it gets boring real fast, which is why porn is so insidious and progressively addictive. Making love, on the other hand, takes a very special, deep, abiding soul connection with another person. The first time I made love, I mean truly made love, I was blown away. It was the most wonderful experience I've ever shared outside of my relationship with the Lord. I had no idea being intimately connected with a woman could be so incredibly satisfying, for her AND me. What's more, that didn't change as time went by. It stayed pretty much the same.

I could keep writing about this at length, but I've got stuff to do, so let me quickly wrap this up by saying this. I firmly, 100% believe that beyond various demonic influences, past traumas and inner heart issues, as well as not having a most excellent relationship with the Lord, THE primary factor that spoils sexual intimacy is not having a really deep friendship with one's spouse. I've experienced enough marriage and relationship, sex and making love, to be fully convinced and persuaded of that. Now, it's all very "easy" identifying such an issue. Rectifying it? That's a real challenge, especially if a couple of truly rushed into marriage. But, the Lord is able, especially when BOTH parties in a marriage are willing to work on things, see the Lord, and seek genuine, real friendship with one another.
 
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Noticed 2 typos at the end that I couldn't edit for some reason:
That's a real challenge, especially if a couple of have truly rushed into marriage. But, the Lord is able, especially when BOTH parties in a marriage are willing to work on things, see seek the Lord, and seek genuine, real friendship with one another.
 

Lanolin

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#27
interesting. Im not giving any new advice here thats not already been given.

If you are talking about fornicating and then getting married afterward well that ship has sailed

on a christian singles forum we ain't fornicating.

You either get engaged or you stay away. For men its not honest to string a woman along.
As for women dont prostitute yourself either.

Jesus has said we love one another as He has loved us. Jesus loves us like a brother and we are treated as heirs in the kingdom of Christ. if youve never had a sister time to start is now and if you have never had a brother looking out for you then thats a real shame. This is why we find fellowship and friendship in the body of Christ.

im not that keen on the BFF kind of thing where you rate one friends as your BEST friend and then all the others as second best. But I do agree that friendships are a good thing and being a friend is what must you learn how to be.

what Ive observed that is unhealthy is the kind of clingy, possessive 'friend' that tells you are their ONLY friend. Heaven forbid you should have any other friends..! but in a sense, thats what many marriages end up being, because theybe alienated everyone else in their life to focus on this one person, put them on a pedastal, and then are horrifed when that person is found to have feet of clay.
 

Lynx

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#28
Cephas_rock this forum has a five minute window for editing a post. This is to prevent troublemakers from going back and changing a post when somebody calls them out on something. That's why you couldn't fix a typo. If you notice it after five minutes after you posted it, it's immortalized.
 

seoulsearch

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#29
OK, fair enough Lynx, I see what you mean. I think my answer still has relevance, but I take your point about the finer focus being on AFTER one is married. I got kinda tunnel-focused on the portion talking about "getting married just to have sex" [sic].

So, does getting married offer any silver bullet remedy? No, because it's not designed to. One thing I got right in my original answer is that things like lust and temptation are a "salvation journey" issue, not a physical, mental or emotional thing. Yes, there are manifestations of lust that drive us to giving in, but the underlying cause of the lust and giving in is spiritual. That is, it's a lack on our part to really trust the Lord and make Him our portion, to make Him our "everything". Whenever I give these replies, please know that I'm always speaking as much to myself as anyone reading these. I've not "arrived", and don't expect to ever do so, because life isn't an "A to B" thing, as much as we men would love it to be so, ha ha ha.

Is porn and sexual lust potentially a "problem" after someone gets married? Yes. But the real questions is "Why?" It ought not to be. But yet, for many, it is. As I alluded to in my original message, there are things that play into lust, which is really "just" a temptation from Satan. OK, so there are physical things that drive us towards being interested in sex, but as Christians, especially those who've been on the journey for more than a year or two, we ought to know we have the power and tools to help us overcome any and all temptation, including sexual ones. Just because our body says, "Hey, I crave release. RIGHT NOW!", doesn't mean we give into it just because it's not our body saying, "Hey, I crave a huge feed of junk food, RIGHT NOW!" Both are still (potentially) unhealthy cravings, over which we have full control to deny or go with.

One of the points I was driving at in the first reply is that many Christians really don't trust the Lord for their "sustenance", which includes the power to reform their thinking and lustful appetites. We're talking about sex here, but those who suffer from other "lusts of the eyes / flesh" struggle just as fiercely. To throw our hands up and say, "Oh, well, they're just natural cravings everyone has, and we'll just cope with it" isn't an answer, as the Lord has promised us the power to renew out minds, hearts and souls. Otherwise, we end up having to agree that God "makes" us with in-built faults and flaws, and that's a REALLY slippery slope I've slid down far too many times!

You'll hear me say this a lot, but having observed, talked to and counseled hundreds of couples over my lifetime (yes, in a totally non-professional capacity), I've noted that the majority of marriages and relationships I encounter are unhealthy to a reasonable degree. Whether that be due to mis-match in personalities, unequal yoking, or 101 other factors, I've become acutely aware that the primary reason most relationships / marriages aren't very good, or just plain suck, is that couple do NOT spend enough time building a deep, solid, committed friendship, WITHOUT the view of "I'm grooming you for marriage", to act as a basis for a marriage.

People get very upset with me when I say this next bit, and if I get flack over it be ready to get some major pushback because I'm 100% convinced of my position, but the truth is we can't love someone we don't know. True? True. We can love a stranger with the love of Jesus, but in terms of romantic human love, any love that ISN'T based on knowing someone, well, is infatuation. True? True. Therefore, since MOST people (not all, of course) short-circuit the natural order God created of us meeting a range of people, founding friendships, and slowly growing to know people in a progressive way that allows love to naturally bloom from a deep "knowing" of a person, MOST people end up in marriages with someone they don't know that well. I could bore you all with countless anecdotal evidence for this, suffice it to say that I'm quite sure this is accurate, and provably so.

THUS - taking all that into account - when we go into marriage with someone who isn't truly, totally, and utterly our best friend, who we don't trust 1000000%, who we don't know inside and out, why should we expect our sexual connection with them to be anything but dissatisfying? Sex is sex. It's fun for a bit, then it gets boring real fast, which is why porn is so insidious and progressively addictive. Making love, on the other hand, takes a very special, deep, abiding soul connection with another person. The first time I made love, I mean truly made love, I was blown away. It was the most wonderful experience I've ever shared outside of my relationship with the Lord. I had no idea being intimately connected with a woman could be so incredibly satisfying, for her AND me. What's more, that didn't change as time went by. It stayed pretty much the same.

I could keep writing about this at length, but I've got stuff to do, so let me quickly wrap this up by saying this. I firmly, 100% believe that beyond various demonic influences, past traumas and inner heart issues, as well as not having a most excellent relationship with the Lord, THE primary factor that spoils sexual intimacy is not having a really deep friendship with one's spouse. I've experienced enough marriage and relationship, sex and making love, to be fully convinced and persuaded of that. Now, it's all very "easy" identifying such an issue. Rectifying it? That's a real challenge, especially if a couple of truly rushed into marriage. But, the Lord is able, especially when BOTH parties in a marriage are willing to work on things, see the Lord, and seek genuine, real friendship with one another.

Hi Peter,

Thanks for taking the time to give your answers to my questions... I'm mostly asking because I'm interested in learning about your beliefs and stances, etc.

So here's the second round. :)

* When you say that you've counseled hundreds of couples and people, what age range do you usually work with? Do you find that age matters much? (In case you were wondering, most of the people answering you in this particular thread are in their 40's, but the actual range for those who have posted is around 30's to 60's.)

* What are your beliefs about divorce and remarriage? This is an extremely hot topic here. You'll find a wide range of beliefs on this forum -- some believe that the divorced are never allowed to remarry (and shouldn't be in the Singles forum at all); some believe that only virgins are eligible for marriage (which excludes anyone that has ever had sex); some believe those divorced may remarry under certain Biblical principles, etc.

* In your original post, you said that you had chosen to pull the plug on a dead marriage, and you have my sympathies for what you went through. When do you personally define a marriage as being "dead," and when do you believe it's Biblically allowed to divorce? (Some on the forum do not believe the divorce is ever allowed, even in cases of abuse -- just to give you and idea of the gamut of beliefs you will run into here.)

When you have you counseled other couples, at what point do you (if ever) advise them to follow suit and pull the plugs on their own "dead" marriages? Do you ever consult with a pastor/spiritual leader when counseling others, to confirm your guidance? (I just ask because this was something I was taught in a past church.)

And, what are your beliefs on the Biblical statement that God sees remarriage as adultery? (Matthew 5:31:32.) Some believe that there are Biblical exceptions... What do you believe?

I am not in any way trying to criticize your beliefs -- I'm just seeking more information in order to discern where you stand, and what advice you give to couples in troubled marriages/relationships. I'm hoping you might find this information useful as well in getting to know your audience. :)

One of the things we talk about a lot here is the fact that marriage is a lifetime commitment, and how far God calls us to honor that commitment when we make it, even amidst a myriad of reasons that the world would tells us to leave behind in order to seek happiness with someone else.
 
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suzzyQ

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#30
typically they have no discernment.
seems to be a lot of that floating around this site

so, cephas_rock,
are you some type of self help author or counselor or something like that?
Because reading ALL your replies I feel like I'm either reading a boring book or attending a boring self help class.
And there's a lot I'd LOVE to say here, but not if I'm going to get this lecture/seminar type responses.
 

Lynx

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#31
Now THERE'S your blunt, forthright boldness! :LOL:

(She has a point though...)

*Lynx curls up on his perch and settles in to watch the show.
 

JustEli

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I hope there will have been a ton of advice given by the time I get home from work, this is gettin good.
 

Lynx

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#33
You don't get tired of advice on the job, you want a ton more when you get back to the forum? Where I w*rk there are multiple people spouting advice interminably. I could send them to you if there is an advice deficit at your job. I promise we can spare them... we could lose all but one advice generator and still have enough random advice and to spare.
 

1ofthem

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#34
seems to be a lot of that floating around this site

so, cephas_rock,
are you some type of self help author or counselor or something like that?
Because reading ALL your replies I feel like I'm either reading a boring book or attending a boring self help class.
And there's a lot I'd LOVE to say here, but not if I'm going to get this lecture/seminar type responses.
Discernment is awesome. Here's an example: Someone goes on a thread about another person loosing their son, and starts attacking that person for a typo....Don't take too long for me to realize what type of person that is...On another note, is that you in your profile picture?:eek: I hope you know all you have to do is right click and google search it. There's whole lot more I'd love to say about that, but I guess I'll leave right there for now....:rolleyes:
 

tourist

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#35
OK, fair enough Lynx, I see what you mean. I think my answer still has relevance, but I take your point about the finer focus being on AFTER one is married. I got kinda tunnel-focused on the portion talking about "getting married just to have sex" [sic].

So, does getting married offer any silver bullet remedy? No, because it's not designed to. One thing I got right in my original answer is that things like lust and temptation are a "salvation journey" issue, not a physical, mental or emotional thing. Yes, there are manifestations of lust that drive us to giving in, but the underlying cause of the lust and giving in is spiritual. That is, it's a lack on our part to really trust the Lord and make Him our portion, to make Him our "everything". Whenever I give these replies, please know that I'm always speaking as much to myself as anyone reading these. I've not "arrived", and don't expect to ever do so, because life isn't an "A to B" thing, as much as we men would love it to be so, ha ha ha.

Is porn and sexual lust potentially a "problem" after someone gets married? Yes. But the real questions is "Why?" It ought not to be. But yet, for many, it is. As I alluded to in my original message, there are things that play into lust, which is really "just" a temptation from Satan. OK, so there are physical things that drive us towards being interested in sex, but as Christians, especially those who've been on the journey for more than a year or two, we ought to know we have the power and tools to help us overcome any and all temptation, including sexual ones. Just because our body says, "Hey, I crave release. RIGHT NOW!", doesn't mean we give into it just because it's not our body saying, "Hey, I crave a huge feed of junk food, RIGHT NOW!" Both are still (potentially) unhealthy cravings, over which we have full control to deny or go with.

One of the points I was driving at in the first reply is that many Christians really don't trust the Lord for their "sustenance", which includes the power to reform their thinking and lustful appetites. We're talking about sex here, but those who suffer from other "lusts of the eyes / flesh" struggle just as fiercely. To throw our hands up and say, "Oh, well, they're just natural cravings everyone has, and we'll just cope with it" isn't an answer, as the Lord has promised us the power to renew out minds, hearts and souls. Otherwise, we end up having to agree that God "makes" us with in-built faults and flaws, and that's a REALLY slippery slope I've slid down far too many times!

You'll hear me say this a lot, but having observed, talked to and counseled hundreds of couples over my lifetime (yes, in a totally non-professional capacity), I've noted that the majority of marriages and relationships I encounter are unhealthy to a reasonable degree. Whether that be due to mis-match in personalities, unequal yoking, or 101 other factors, I've become acutely aware that the primary reason most relationships / marriages aren't very good, or just plain suck, is that couple do NOT spend enough time building a deep, solid, committed friendship, WITHOUT the view of "I'm grooming you for marriage", to act as a basis for a marriage.

People get very upset with me when I say this next bit, and if I get flack over it be ready to get some major pushback because I'm 100% convinced of my position, but the truth is we can't love someone we don't know. True? True. We can love a stranger with the love of Jesus, but in terms of romantic human love, any love that ISN'T based on knowing someone, well, is infatuation. True? True. Therefore, since MOST people (not all, of course) short-circuit the natural order God created of us meeting a range of people, founding friendships, and slowly growing to know people in a progressive way that allows love to naturally bloom from a deep "knowing" of a person, MOST people end up in marriages with someone they don't know that well. I could bore you all with countless anecdotal evidence for this, suffice it to say that I'm quite sure this is accurate, and provably so.

THUS - taking all that into account - when we go into marriage with someone who isn't truly, totally, and utterly our best friend, who we don't trust 1000000%, who we don't know inside and out, why should we expect our sexual connection with them to be anything but dissatisfying? Sex is sex. It's fun for a bit, then it gets boring real fast, which is why porn is so insidious and progressively addictive. Making love, on the other hand, takes a very special, deep, abiding soul connection with another person. The first time I made love, I mean truly made love, I was blown away. It was the most wonderful experience I've ever shared outside of my relationship with the Lord. I had no idea being intimately connected with a woman could be so incredibly satisfying, for her AND me. What's more, that didn't change as time went by. It stayed pretty much the same.

I could keep writing about this at length, but I've got stuff to do, so let me quickly wrap this up by saying this. I firmly, 100% believe that beyond various demonic influences, past traumas and inner heart issues, as well as not having a most excellent relationship with the Lord, THE primary factor that spoils sexual intimacy is not having a really deep friendship with one's spouse. I've experienced enough marriage and relationship, sex and making love, to be fully convinced and persuaded of that. Now, it's all very "easy" identifying such an issue. Rectifying it? That's a real challenge, especially if a couple of truly rushed into marriage. But, the Lord is able, especially when BOTH parties in a marriage are willing to work on things, see the Lord, and seek genuine, real friendship with one another.
You got the best friend part right at least. Not to sure about the rest of the stuff. Seems like you are really focused on sex and porn.

Can you provide scriptural references about the 'natural order of God creating us' in regards to relationships, particularly marriage. Adam and Eve didn't seem to follow this 'natural' order but got right into it.

I believe that, in regards to the primary factor that spoils sexual intimacy, is lack of trust. Without trust there is no basis for forming a relationship in the first place as trust is a basic foundation block of a sound marriage.
 

tourist

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#36
Now THERE'S your blunt, forthright boldness! :LOL:

(She has a point though...)

*Lynx curls up on his perch and settles in to watch the show.
I'm watching the show too. Still have one bag of microwave popcorn left.
 

tourist

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#37
One of the things we talk about a lot here is the fact that marriage is a lifetime commitment, and how far God calls us to honor that commitment when we make it, even amidst a myriad of reasons that the world would tells us to leave behind in order to seek happiness with someone else.
This is what it's all about in a nutshell.
 

tourist

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#38
Cephas_rock this forum has a five minute window for editing a post. This is to prevent troublemakers from going back and changing a post when somebody calls them out on something. That's why you couldn't fix a typo. If you notice it after five minutes after you posted it, it's immortalized.
Sort of like the 10 Commandments written on stone tablets with the finger of God.
 

1ofthem

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#39
Discernment is awesome. Here's an example: Someone goes on a thread about another person loosing their son, and starts attacking that person for a typo....Don't take too long for me to realize what type of person that is...On another note, is that you in your profile picture?:eek: I hope you know all you have to do is right click and google search it. There's whole lot more I'd love to say about that, but I guess I'll leave right there for now....:rolleyes:
Oops, ....typo....losing *****not loosing****

Wanted to fix it cause I'd hate to see how that would get interpreted.:sneaky:
 
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suzzyQ

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Discernment is awesome. Here's an example: Someone goes on a thread about another person loosing their son, and starts attacking that person for a typo....Don't take too long for me to realize what type of person that is...On another note, is that you in your profile picture?:eek: I hope you know all you have to do is right click and google search it. There's whole lot more I'd love to say about that, but I guess I'll leave right there for now....:rolleyes:
yeah, discernment.......
something A LOT of people here claim to have, but obviously don't. You want to hide behind "typos" from someone who is known to say things to get people worked up who then goes and uses a very old, sick joke just to see what type of sympathy and reactions they can get from it. I am willing to bet that he is sitting back, reading the replies and laughing at all of you.
But whatever :rolleyes: it's all on the user who wrote it and the gullible repliers.

1ofthem> 1 of who? people who speak one thing but show different? Yeah, it's me in my pic? I'd LOVE to know what you have to say..........
Jealous much? or should I say 'judgmental much?"