Bible study - anyone?

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MaggieB

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Bible study is a difficult topic. It needs a leader, and a leader must have vast biblical knowledge and that knowledge must not be tainted with following a man's interpretation like even Luther or the Pope.

bible study can also be separated by how much the students know about scripture.

I found a man to lead who is free on the net and assures us that he only uses his scripture knowledge, without being led by any church dogma. I feel accepting his leadership to bible study still needs to be done with care, and should have several students so scripture comes first, not the leader. I have searched for years for others to join me in this study under this leadership so several minds can check on him. He is very deep and involved, there are colleges who use his leadership for a class and I have been turned down by every single person in either my church or my town.
Who is he?
 

Blik

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I use the bible knowledge of Tom Bradford who gives lessons free on the website torahclass.com. I find that he has freed himself from different church doctrines and speaks only of what he finds in scripture. If he tells of something that he only thinks is right he tells us so, and gives reasons for his opinion.

A study that fascinates me, now, is a study of the way the churches lived in the first 300 years after Christ, before Constantine changed Christianity. They use the writings of the Christians during that time.

The writings themselves are interesting, but I use the men who have studied them and can reach the heart of what they say. The men who write about that time say that Christians were closer to the apostles, taught by Christ, so the church was more powerful. When it grew, it lost much of its power. Others say that after the Romans killed off so many Jews and gentiles became church leaders they let their early training in idol worship and the occult influence them and contaminated Christianity. That is why, they say, Sunday worship was made to replace the Sabbath for idol worship was on Sunday.
 

Lafftur

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Here are the next 5 verses.......anyone care to share their insight or thoughts about these verses? :unsure::love:(y)

Romans 3:14-18 New King James Version (NKJV)
14 “Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.”
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways;
17 And the way of peace they have not known.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
 

JaumeJ

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Here are the next 5 verses.......anyone care to share their insight or thoughts about these verses? :unsure::love:(y)

Romans 3:14-18 New King James Version (NKJV)
14 “Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.”
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways;
17 And the way of peace they have not known.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
These verses describe so much of what is currently in the news however those under the influence of that spirit of delusion applauder it all.

It would be sad were it not indicative of the Glorious Day of our Lord, Jesus, Yeshua, being at the threshold of His return.

Good heart, good thinking, God bless you....j
 

Lafftur

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These verses describe so much of what is currently in the news however those under the influence of that spirit of delusion applaud it all.

It would be sad were it not indicative of the Glorious Day of our Lord, Jesus, Yeshua, being at the threshold of His return.

Good heart, good thinking, God bless you....j
Hello @JaumeJ! :love:

The world is blind :cool: to the things of God.....they can only talk about what they can see. :geek:

It's great when God shakes the Earth and causes a ruckus! That's when people go in search of God and many find Him at the worst horrible times. Go God!! Wooohooo!
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Lafftur

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Romans 3:14-18 (NKJV)

14 “Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.”


Paul continues quoting scripture that describes the unsaved or those that are operating in their flesh.

Their speech is full of death and unforgiveness.


15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;


They do not hesitate to hurt others but, quickly run to do evil to others.

16 Destruction and misery are in their ways;
Their lifestyle and paths produce only misery and destruction on themselves and others.

17 And the way of peace they have not known.”


They have no peace with God, others or themselves but are the enemy of God, others and even themselves. They are tormented in their minds with nothing but negative evil thoughts.

18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
They do not fear God because they do not know God or even consider Him because they do not seek Him.
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Living a life on this Earth without knowing or loving God is such gross darkness....very sad. :cry:
 

Lafftur

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How about the next 2 verses..........anyone want to share your understanding of them? :unsure::love:(y)

Romans 3:19-20 (NKJV)
19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
 

JaumeJ

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Our ideas and dreamed up works are futile in gaining the Kingdom for it is bygrace we are saved by faith in Jesus, Yeshua. Any true works we are given to do for our eternal reward are gifts from our Father and executed only by grace, not by our will,

The most basic of all works given us is believing God, just as did Abraham, and it is reckoned to us as righteousness, reckoned to us.

Abraham may be translated as Father of the nations, thus we become children of Abraham by our gift of faith by grace.

Sorry to be so long in replying, I had gone back to bed. Good morning all. Have a blessed and peace-filed day.
 

OIC1965

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Here are the next 5 verses.......anyone care to share their insight or thoughts about these verses? :unsure::love:(y)

Romans 3:14-18 New King James Version (NKJV)
14 “Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.”
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways;
17 And the way of peace they have not known.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
This is speaking of preconversion man. Dead in trespasses and sins and alienated from God. Unable to please God. Not subject to the Law of God and unable to be. Under the power of sin and blind. The ones Jesus came to seek and to save.
 

OIC1965

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How about the next 2 verses..........anyone want to share your understanding of them? :unsure::love:(y)

Romans 3:19-20 (NKJV)
19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
The law cannot save or justify. It can only reveal our lost and condemned position and point us to Jesus to receive the Righteousness of God which is by faith in the perfect obedience, finished work of Christ.
 

Blik

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The law cannot save or justify. It can only reveal our lost and condemned position and point us to Jesus to receive the Righteousness of God which is by faith in the perfect obedience, finished work of Christ.
If the law could save, we could be like God: perfect. We can't. But God's holy law is never, ever, an 'only". The law is everything the 119th psalm tells us it is.
 

Lafftur

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The law cannot save or justify. It can only reveal our lost and condemned position and point us to Jesus to receive the Righteousness of God which is by faith in the perfect obedience, finished work of Christ.
I agree @OIC1965, the law does reveal our sin to us which points us to Jesus Christ as the ONLY Savior.

Jesus Christ actually fulfilled the Law for us while He was on the Earth. Jesus is the Human Fulfillment of the Law that God gave to Moses and Jesus also fulfilled all that the prophets had written about the suffering Messiah.

This is why Jesus met with Moses and Elijah on the Mount of Transfiguration - to be examined by the Law and the Prophets. He passed His examination and was transfigured.

The last "work" to be accomplished and recorded in His Body for us was to die on the cross as the Lamb of God that takes our sin away. His sacrifice was accepted because He rose from the dead on the 3rd day. Hallelujah!

Now, whosoever will believe in the FINISHED WORK of Jesus Christ's Blood and Body for us shall be forgiven by all their sins taken away by His Blood and the righteousness of God imputed to them by His Body and they are forever eternally saved.

Jesus will seal, baptize and fill us with the Holy Spirit so we can learn to walk by the Spirit and not fulfill the lusts of our flesh....this process takes time by the renewing of our minds with God's Word and Holy Spirit.

We shall be spotless, without blemish at His return, amen!
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Romans 3:19-20 (NKJV)
19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
No one can claim to not be under the law - all have sinned, there is NONE righteous. The Law proves to us that we are guilty. God already knows we are guilty, the Law is so that we can know we are guilty.

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Again, the Law is that we can know we are guilty. None of us - Jew, Gentile and even Believer can fulfill the law on our own. ALL (Jew, Gentile and Believer) NEED the Blood of Jesus Christ to take away our sins and ALL NEED the Body of Jesus Christ for the Human Fulfillment of the Law - The Lord our Righteousness. Amen! Thank You, Jesus!!! :love:(y)
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God the Father has a plan and it's a good plan!! All His Will will be accomplished! Amen. :love:(y)
 

Lafftur

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How about these next 6 verses of Romans.......anyone want to share what the Lord reveals to you about them? :unsure::love:(y)

Romans 3:21-26 New King James Version (NKJV)
God’s Righteousness Through Faith

21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,

22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;

23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,

26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
 

OIC1965

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I agree @OIC1965, the law does reveal our sin to us which points us to Jesus Christ as the ONLY Savior.

Jesus Christ actually fulfilled the Law for us while He was on the Earth. Jesus is the Human Fulfillment of the Law that God gave to Moses and Jesus also fulfilled all that the prophets had written about the suffering Messiah.

This is why Jesus met with Moses and Elijah on the Mount of Transfiguration - to be examined by the Law and the Prophets. He passed His examination and was transfigured.

The last "work" to be accomplished and recorded in His Body for us was to die on the cross as the Lamb of God that takes our sin away. His sacrifice was accepted because He rose from the dead on the 3rd day. Hallelujah!

Now, whosoever will believe in the FINISHED WORK of Jesus Christ's Blood and Body for us shall be forgiven by all their sins taken away by His Blood and the righteousness of God imputed to them by His Body and they are forever eternally saved.

Jesus will seal, baptize and fill us with the Holy Spirit so we can learn to walk by the Spirit and not fulfill the lusts of our flesh....this process takes time by the renewing of our minds with God's Word and Holy Spirit.

We shall be spotless, without blemish at His return, amen! :love:(y)
Outstanding post. I agree wholeheartedly. I am thankful that Christ fulfilled all righteousness for us in His earthly life, died in our behalf, for our sins, is our High Priest who intercedes for us, our preservation, and the one who desires that we may be with Him where He is, to behold His Glory, and that It is all a free gift of Grace
 

OIC1965

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If the law could save, we could be like God: perfect. We can't. But God's holy law is never, ever, an 'only". The law is everything the 119th psalm tells us it is.
I used the word only because of the limitations Paul places on the Law in Romans 8:2. It was not a denigration of the Law, I love Gods Law, but rather referring that the Law does not have power to save. This is a major theme of Romans and its counterpart Galatians
 

OIC1965

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I used the word only because of the limitations Paul places on the Law in Romans 8:2. It was not a denigration of the Law, I love Gods Law, but rather referring that the Law does not have power to save. This is a major theme of Romans and its counterpart Galatians
Correction. Romans 8:3, not 8:2.
 

Lafftur

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Paul just finished establishing the fact that ALL Jews, Gentiles and even Believers are guilty of not obeying the Law and NO ONE is able to keep the Law on their own which is why NO ONE can be declared righteous by the Law.

So how can a person be declared righteous by God? Thanks be to God because He made a way for us to be declared righteous without us having to obey the Law on our own.

It is God's righteousness that we receive by faith through Jesus Christ, understanding that Jesus Christ obeyed the Law for us and with His Body gives us the Human fulfillment of the Law.

Romans 3:21-26 (NKJV)
God’s Righteousness Through Faith

21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
In the Body of Jesus Christ is the Righteousness of God FOR US that has been made known to us and Moses and Elijah are witnesses that Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law and the Prophets in his Human Body.

As stated in a previous post, on the Mount of Transfiguration, Jesus met with Moses and Elijah to be examined by the Law and the Prophets to see if Jesus had fulfilled all the Law and the Prophets concerning Him. He passed His examination and was transfigured.

Side Note: After The last "work" Jesus Christ had to accomplish and record in His Body was the death on the cross where He would pour out His Blood that takes away our sin; making us able to receive His Body which is God's Righteousness for us - the Human Fulfillment of the Law.

22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;
When the Father gives us faith to receive God's Righteousness through Jesus Christ, the faith He gives us is Heavenly knowledge with full understanding by the Holy Spirit that it is absolutely TRUE that by receiving Jesus Christ as Savior, Lord and King - He gives us the Righteousness of God.

Originally, God had only given the Law to the Jews but, with the Righteousness of God that comes by faith through Jesus Christ - God has made His Righteousness available to ALL - Jew and Gentile that choose to believe the Truth when the Holy Spirit makes it known to them.

23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Paul is just reminding us that according to the Law, ALL have sinned and cannot keep the Law therefore, ALL fall short of the glory of God.

24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
Yet, Jesus Christ is our Redeemer! Even though NO ONE can be saved by keeping the law on their own, in Jesus Christ we can freely receive simply by God's grace (no works of our own to earn salvation) redemptive power in the Blood and Body of Jesus Christ that awakens our spirit, saves our soul and redeems our bodies from the grave!

25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,
God sent His Word to Earth, wrapped it in human flesh and He - the first begotten Son of God became the human propitiation (the One that would appease and take away from us the Wrath of God) by His Blood and we can only know and receive Him by faith - undeniable understanding that Jesus Christ is the Lamb of God that takes away our sin. God will pass over our sin when He sees the Blood of Jesus Christ.

By God providing a propitiation for us, God demonstrates His Righteousness - that we are saved by His Righteousness, NOT ours.

26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
God is the ONLY ONE Righteous and the ONLY ONE that is just and the ONLY ONE that can justify all those that believe and receive by faith, the Blood and Body of Jesus Christ - the ONLY Savior for the whole world.
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Hallelujah! ONLY God can make a way where there is no way! No flesh can glory in His Presence! :love:(y)
 

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Here's the last 5 verses of Romans chapter 3 - got any thoughts or comments about them you'd like to share? :unsure::love:(y)

Romans 3:27-31 (NKJV)
Boasting Excluded

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is [a]justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.

29 Or is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also,

30 since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.
 

OIC1965

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Here's the last 5 verses of Romans chapter 3 - got any thoughts or comments about them you'd like to share? :unsure::love:(y)

Romans 3:27-31 (NKJV)
Boasting Excluded

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is [a]justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.

29 Or is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also,

30 since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.
One reason establish the Law through faith is because we allow the Law to serve it’s purpose. To act as a mirror and a light to show us our need and to point us straight to Jesus.

Paul also said the Law is lawful if used lawfully. It is not for the righteous, but sinners. It either condemns (if we ignore it) or it points us to Jesus.

It seems to me that John the Baptist personified the work of the Law.