Speculation for a seemingly biblical contradiction

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Nehemiah6

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Then where did Enoch and Elijah go? Had they "descended" from heaven making them eligible to ascend back into heaven?
I'm not sure what you are getting at. Enoch ans Elijah went from earth to Heaven. Christ came from Heaven to earth and then ascended back to Heaven. HUGE DIFFERENCE. That verse is exclusively about Christ. It has nothing to do with Enoch or Elijah.
 
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“God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made THE WORLDS.” Hebrews 1:1,2
The only other place that is mentioned in the bible is the Garden of Eden. It is cut off from us because He didn't want us to eat from the tree of life. We know of the place that tree grows and I think wherever that tree is so are Enoch and Elijah. They are enjoying immortal life but not eternal life. Jesus opened the door to eternal life which primarily means changelessness. Immortality in the Garden of Eden wasn't changeless.
 

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And I already told you the place of safe keeping or holding the bridal chamber Abrahams bosom,
I fail to understand what that scripture has to do with the issue I present here. Explain please![/QUOTE]
 

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The only other place that is mentioned in the bible is the Garden of Eden. It is cut off from us because He didn't want us to eat from the tree of life. We know of the place that tree grows and I think wherever that tree is so are Enoch and Elijah. They are enjoying immortal life but not eternal life. Jesus opened the door to eternal life which primarily means changelessness. Immortality in the Garden of Eden wasn't changeless.
And that tree can't be on another planet?
 

Blain

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I fail to understand what that scripture has to do with the issue I present here. Explain please!
[/QUOTE] Enoch and elija were taken or they were there and then were not however heaven is a place of eternity and will be open to us at the end of the age when Jesus comes back and defeats satan once and for all Enoch and Elija are a representation of the harpazo or in mans word the rapture where we will be taken to that place the bridal chamber or Abrahams bosom

Other planets are in existence only to boast of God's power and glory we were never meant to be taken there God deals with everything in heaven and earth not other planets the heavenly realm and abrahams bosom is what this scripture has to do with your issue it always about heaven or the heavenly realm
 

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Enoch and elija were taken or they were there and then were not however heaven is a place of eternity and will be open to us at the end of the age when Jesus comes back and defeats satan once and for all Enoch and Elija are a representation of the harpazo or in mans word the rapture where we will be taken to that place the bridal chamber or Abrahams bosom.
You’re saying the place where Abraham’s bosom is, is purely a spiritual place and cannot be another planet, correct? That’s an interesting opinion, but is there scripture to support it?



Other planets are in existence only to boast of God's power and glory we were never meant to be taken there God deals with everything in heaven and earth not other planets the heavenly realm and abrahams bosom is what this scripture has to do with your issue it always about heaven or the heavenly realm
Then you don’t believe God has created others in his image on other planets? Any scripture to support that?
 

Blain

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You’re saying the place where Abraham’s bosom is, is purely a spiritual place and cannot be another planet, correct? That’s an interesting opinion, but is there scripture to support it?





Then you don’t believe God has created others in his image on other planets? Any scripture to support that?
Yes abrahams bosom
Luke 16:22
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried
It is a place that the dead are taken to once we die we no longer reside on this side of the veil

As for your other question Genesis1:27 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, to rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it.” 27So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.28God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth
Note it says earth not universe galaxies or mention of any other planets nowhere in scripture does it say God created man in his own image anywhere else
 
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There's only one tree?
Yes according to scriptures. It is written in the singular. I believe it's also serves a state of being. No specific location is necessary. It is human food made to nourish human immortality. Anything beyond that is entirely unknown. Just as aliens are.
 

Nehemiah6

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The bible is not clear exactly on where God took Enoch.
Where else would God take him except to Heaven? All the OT saints are now in Heaven, so why would Enoch be floating around in outer space?

If Christians are unable to connect the dots in these simply matters, how will they judge angels?
 

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Yes abrahams bosom
Luke 16:22
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried
It is a place that the dead are taken to once we die we no longer reside on this side of the veil

As for your other question Genesis1:27 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, to rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it.” 27So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.28God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth
Note it says earth not universe galaxies or mention of any other planets nowhere in scripture does it say God created man in his own image anywhere else
And that cannot be another planet, another world, because?
 

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The bible is not clear exactly on where God took Enoch.
And speculation that that place may be another world on another planet isn't rational? God gave us a mind to think and speculation and opinion is a part of our freedom to think in my world.
 

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Yes according to scriptures. It is written in the singular. I believe it's also serves a state of being. No specific location is necessary. It is human food made to nourish human immortality. Anything beyond that is entirely unknown. Just as aliens are.
We shouldn't speculate about the unknown?
 

Robo36

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Where else would God take him except to Heaven? All the OT saints are now in Heaven, so why would Enoch be floating around in outer space?

If Christians are unable to connect the dots in these simply matters, how will they judge angels?
In John 3:13, Jesus tells us the following: “And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven” (John 3:13)
 
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We shouldn't speculate about the unknown?
Speculation requires a reason doesn't it? A launching point in fact? A fact that points towards a possibility. That's why I wrote entirely unknown
 

Robo36

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Speculation requires a reason doesn't it? A launching point in fact? A fact that points towards a possibility. That's why I wrote entirely unknown
The launching point/reason of course is the fact that we don't know where either of the subjects of the speculation ended up. Speculation isn't fact, it's speculation. Where's the problem with speculation as long as it's presented as such?
 

Blain

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And that cannot be another planet, another world, because?
Because as I have said God has always dealt with mankind and the world and heaven nowhere in scripture does it mention him dealing with people anywhere else in the universe
 

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One thing to consider is that in Hebrews 11:1-13 it mentions Enoch and being saved from death but in v13 it said that all died.

For me , with Enoch at least, I harmonize it by seeing it simply that God took Enoch and saved from from a particular death. He was moved somewhere else. I believe later on he still died. Same as Lazarus was saved from death, but most likely still died later on.

Something to consider is so we really believe heaven is up above earth and space. Does God literally come down and did Jesus literally float away through the clouds, past the stars and ect... and find heaven way off in the hidden distance. I don’t believe so. I think they were all taken away into the sky and then transferred somewhere else. Though I believe both Enoch and Elijah died later on.