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John
15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every [branch] that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
15:5 I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast [them] into the fire, and they are burned.
You are correct in your assertion that vv.2-4 speak of fruit. I agree with that, but v.6 speaks of the end of the man himself, not just his fruit.
15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every [branch] that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
15:5 I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast [them] into the fire, and they are burned.
You are correct in your assertion that vv.2-4 speak of fruit. I agree with that, but v.6 speaks of the end of the man himself, not just his fruit.
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Yes. Exactly.
Please stop chopping my words to make it look like I am agreeing with you because I am not...
I believe I am secure in Christ until He calls me home , I believe He is the One who keeps me...
You believe the opposite , you believe we can lose our Salvation , I do not believe this...
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Did you know that believers do not always abide, sometimes they actually do not abide .... abiding is not about salvation.
It states "men" cast them into fire ... it does not state God.
So what is this passage really about?
It states "men" cast them into fire ... it does not state God.
So what is this passage really about?
Yes I agree , when we are weak , we are lifted up , also we are pruned by our Father , cutting away our bad attitudes etc...
But I was also talking about those who " claim " to be in Christ , they may look like christians , but God knows those who are His , for He is the gardener of the true Vine...
...xox...
But I was also talking about those who " claim " to be in Christ , they may look like christians , but God knows those who are His , for He is the gardener of the true Vine...
...xox...
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