Has anyone had any luck going into stores wearing a "breathable mask?"

[posthuman]

That you would ask the question "You think viruses don't exist" shows you think in a certain way.

There are exosomes, produced by cells, as part of a body's immune system. This is how God created lifeforms, and is demonstrable. These are considered by some to be viruses. But when isolated and implanted into a new organism (which is done rarely), these exosomes are incable of causing the symptoms the virus is said to cause. The theory of sicknesses caused by viruses is bad science.

I asked if you didn't believe viruses exist because you said this:

The mask wearing is initiation into a false religion of the world government, which make-believes a coronavirus is out there (denying the Creator)

You made it clear that you don't believe there us any coronavirus and that to you, believing there is a coronavirus is equivalent to denying God.
I do not see that this makes logical sense as a conclusion - so I asked if you don't believe any virus exists at all.

It's not clear to me that an immune system was part of the original, unfallen creation. Exosomes exist completely separate from immune systems. Viral transmission and infection and the associated symptoms of viral infection are very well established and proven facts. You'll need to substantiate your claim that existence of viruses and their role in certain illnesses is 'bad science'

Even if viruses originated as dissociated and malignantly perverted exosomes, it doesn't 'deny the Creator' to understand that they presently exist and are transmitted between hosts. Their existence isn't an origin theory; their behavior and transmission is not dependent in their ultimate origin, and whether or not certain measures pragmatically mitigate probability of infection is independent of how they first came to exist.

 

[MyrtleTrees]

you use vinegar tho no one 'in Bible times' cleaned with it -- but you are justifying disobeying laws about masks because 'no one in Bible times' wore them for cleanliness.

doesn't that seem incongruous?

True - vinegar isn't mentioned as being used that way. Many things we have in modern times, are ok to use. However, it's true that we are not to trust anything above the Bible. But I have found by experience, that it helps prevent sickness. It is ok to disagree on what we think works for us in things, as long as we are sincerely disagreeing. And not disagreeing out of malice. God gives us all minds to make decisions with. But we are to always let God guide our lives in all things to the best of our ability and knowledge. We can't expect everyone to sincerely agree the same on all matters - history and observation reveals this well, I think.

 

[Moses_Young]

You made it clear that you don't believe there us any coronavirus and that to you, believing there is a coronavirus is equivalent to denying God.

Why should I believe in the boogeyman, if you have no proof he exists?

I do not see that this makes logical sense as a conclusion - so I asked if you don't believe any virus exists at all.

Not as you know it.

It's not clear to me that an immune system was part of the original, unfallen creation.

God completed His creation on day 6. There is no emergency creating of an immune system mentioned.

Exosomes exist completely separate from immune systems.

The so-called immune system simply separates the self from the other. I don't believe exosomes can exist independently of a parent creature, but happy to see contrary studies if they exist.

Viral transmission and infection and the associated symptoms of viral infection are very well established and proven facts. You'll need to substantiate your claim that existence of viruses and their role in certain illnesses is 'bad science'

The burden of proof is actually on the one making the claim there are viruses. Like evolution, the theory has many disciples, but a virus has never been isolated and shown to cause the pathology attributed to the sickness.

Even if viruses originated as dissociated and malignantly perverted exosomes, it doesn't 'deny the Creator' to understand that they presently exist and are transmitted between hosts. Their existence isn't an origin theory; their behavior and transmission is not dependent in their ultimate origin, and whether or not certain measures pragmatically mitigate probability of infection is independent of how they first came to exist.

Where do they come from, then? Evolution is the only theory that explains the existence of viruses, as you know them. Evolutionism denies the Creator.

 

[SoulWeaver]

The burden of proof is actually on the one making the claim there are viruses. Like evolution, the theory has many disciples, but a virus has never been isolated and shown to cause the pathology attributed to the sickness.

Meanwhile back in 19th century...
Koch, Heinrich Herman Robert
German bacteriologist, 1843–1910

Koch's postulate

The criterion used in proving an organism is the cause of a disease or lesion: the microorganism in question is regularly found in the lesions of the disease; pure cultures can be obtained from it. When inoculated into susceptible animals, pure cultures can reproduce the disease or pathological condition; and the organism can be obtained again in pure culture from the inoculated animal.

 

[tourist]

tis really the only thing I dislike about winter.....
the fact that I have to wear closed toe, tight, constricting shoes in order to go out.
Oh and scarves. Even though they keep my neck warm and toasty, it's to much bulk around my neck... drives me nuts.
Oh well, maybe this year as the weather gets colder I can get away with a nice thick scarf around my mouth and nose in stead of a traditional mask?

Even though I live in Florida I might wear a scarf instead of a mask next time I go to Walmart.

 

[SoulWeaver]

Meanwhile back in 19th century...
Koch, Heinrich Herman Robert
German bacteriologist, 1843–1910

@Moses_Young
So seeing that this is the acceptable scientific criterion for proving (micro) organisms, how do you say viruses are not proven by science?
If you want to want to be taken seriously about germs not existing, you also need to explain why are germs seen under the microscope?

 

[gb9]

@Moses_Young
So seeing that this is the acceptable scientific criterion for proving (micro) organisms, how do you say viruses are not proven by science?
If you want to want to be taken seriously about germs not existing, you also need to explain why are germs seen under the microscope?

conspiracy theorists do not want to taken seriously , they just want you to agree with them....

 

[PC123]

 

[posthuman]

These are considered by some to be viruses. But when isolated and implanted into a new organism (which is done rarely), these exosomes are incable of causing the symptoms the virus is said to cause. The theory of sicknesses caused by viruses is bad science.

i don't know anyone who calls exosomes viruses. some people think that because of the similarities between exosomes and viruses, viruses may have developed from exosomes.

viruses are very well documented and extensively studied, and they are very different from exosomes. the two are not identical.

of course exosomes transplanted from one organism to another ((if it indeed ever happens)) don't produce the responses that viruses do. they do not self-replicate and invade other bodies.

if i'm understanding you correctly, this is your argument:

a golf ball does not behave like a basketball when you try to dribble with it, therefore there is no such game as basketball -- all sports are golf, and playing tennis is evidence that you hate & deny God.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Ha ha! Yes, exactly - a mask would be good if one wanted to rob a bank!

Yes, I agree with you that the masking tyranny (and related Coronovirus hoax - I call it a hoax as it's tremendously exaggerated) has been brought about by evil people in governments around the world.

I am glad you have good success with stores leaving you alone when you say you can't wear them because of a health condition. I tell them that, too, but some are so stubborn - they still insist that I must wear one - so I have left such stores. I have a cousin who gets away with not wearing a mask too when going in stores - she said she and her husband do so and if asked - do as you said you do - they just say that they can't because of health conditions.

I go to stores less now, because of this mask law. I felt the right thing to do was not to wear a mask as I don't want to appear to accept their wrong law. But in my case, I found as I said - there are some places that are very obstinate and bullheaded about it. But maybe personality helps to control them - like if one has a real authorative personality - which I don't - as I'm shy. So I just do the best I can and keep praying for all this tyranny to stop as soon as is possible.

The mask Is for protecting your neighbor though.

 

[MyrtleTrees]

The mask Is for protecting your neighbor though.

That is theory. And I think it is an incorrect theory. So we have to agree to disagree but pray for each other to understand the subject correctly.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

That is theory. And I think it is an incorrect theory. So we have to agree to disagree but pray for each other to understand the subject correctly.

But this Is Info from the CDC shouldn't we believe their report.

 

[Nehemiah6]

But this Is Info from the CDC shouldn't we believe their report.

Do you know how many times CDC has flip-flopped on masks?

FIRST: MASKS ARE UNNECESSARY (FOR THE GENERAL POPULATION)

NEXT: MASKS ARE MANDATORY

NEXT: MASKS ARE BETTER THAN VACCINES

NOW: MASK DON'T WORK!

The Michigan Supreme Court has ruled that Dragon Lady's executive orders on COVID are unconstitutional. Therefore their anti-masking attorney has publicly announced: BURN YOUR MASKS!

Trump should announce October 31 as "Burn Your Masks Day". The Ghouls will be outraged.

 

[3angelsmsg]

But this Is Info from the CDC shouldn't we believe their report.

No, they are all working against the God of heaven. The UN is agent of the devil and the papacy. They are trying to overrule the authority of heaven. They have replaced God's law with human rights law. This is a wake up call for believers to not accept the authority of men above the authority of GOD. Our God of love will not force the good on His created beings. The only entity that forces the good is the devil and everyone else that also try to control, manupalute, force others to do what they want people to do in order to make themselves happy. That is not the spirit of God. The spirit of love can endure the evil but the anti christ spirit cannot live with the good. Love suffers long.

 

[3angelsmsg]

No, they are all working against the God of heaven. The UN is agent of the devil and the papacy. They are trying to overrule the authority of heaven. They have replaced God's law with human rights law. This is a wake up call for believers to not accept the authority of men above the authority of GOD. Our God of love will not force the good on His created beings. The only entity that forces the good is the devil and everyone else that also try to control, manupalute, force others to do what they want people to do in order to make themselves happy. That is not the spirit of God. The spirit of love can endure the evil but the anti christ spirit cannot live with the good. Love suffers long.

It is a sad reality. This is the darkest time the world has been in. Never has there been darker time in history than now. The media, facebook, twitter, YouTube are all instruments of the papacy, cdc, world health organisation, united nations. All those voices are saying the same thing of how dangerous this unseen enemy is covid19. If you say anything against these dragician policies your voice is being silenced, censored and banned. If what they promote is the truth why are they so afraid being scrutinised. And their message changes almost on daily basis no consistency. Let's not trust in solutions of men.

 

[MyrtleTrees]

But this Is Info from the CDC shouldn't we believe their report.

No. The Bible shows that there isn't any human who is infallible, both in behavior and in opinion. That's why we must trust God's Word above all else. True - we may believe things not in the Bible - but nothing we believe should go against anything in the Bible.

 

[Absolutely]

we had some chilly mornings -- it kept my face warm

The thing is,we now have PRECEDENT.

.....for the next flu

The next propaganda

The next deception

The next non pandemic

The next orders "to protect you"

The next lockdown

Once you start submitting your freedom..a little here.....a little there........


They never give it back.

They have duped the entire world.

Last days deception

We are in the birthpangs.

 

[Moses_Young]

@Moses_Young
So seeing that this is the acceptable scientific criterion for proving (micro) organisms, how do you say viruses are not proven by science?
If you want to want to be taken seriously about germs not existing, you also need to explain why are germs seen under the microscope?

You have mis-stated my argument. Viruses have never been isolated under an electron microscope, and inserted into a subject organism, causing the pathology the virus is said to cause. Either:

a) The virus has never been isolated (i.e. the inserted mixture is heterogenous), which when inserted into a subject organism, causes the pathology, however, this does not prove it is the so-called virus causing the sickness (rather, it is the mixture of toxins/material), or
b) Viruses have been isolated (i.e. the inserted mixture is homogenous), but when inserted into a subject organism, the subject organism does not experience the pathology attributed to the virus.

Therefore, viruses as Posthuman knows them do not exist.

i don't know anyone who calls exosomes viruses. some people think that because of the similarities between exosomes and viruses, viruses may have developed from exosomes.

viruses are very well documented and extensively studied, and they are very different from exosomes. the two are not identical.

of course exosomes transplanted from one organism to another ((if it indeed ever happens)) don't produce the responses that viruses do. they do not self-replicate and invade other bodies.

if i'm understanding you correctly, this is your argument:

a golf ball does not behave like a basketball when you try to dribble with it, therefore there is no such game as basketball -- all sports are golf, and playing tennis is evidence that you hate & deny God.

No. My argument is that just because some basketball players experience injury, and some golf players experience injury, this in no way proves that all injuries, or indeed any of the injuries, are caused by golf balls or basketballs. Neither does it prove that golf balls or basketballs are inherently dangerous. Neither does it prove that balls evolve to cause injury to people playing football.

And to carry an umbrella as a quasi-religious ritual which one's neighbour believes will prevent him being injured by balls is actually harming one's neighbour, as it allows him to proceed in his godless folly.

 

[Guojing]

No. The Bible shows that there isn't any human who is infallible, both in behavior and in opinion. That's why we must trust God's Word above all else. True - we may believe things not in the Bible - but nothing we believe should go against anything in the Bible.

Out of curiosity, Do you happen to believe the earth is flat too?

 

[Absolutely]

yay! glad you find it interesting as i do
it's a question my pastor brought up a couple times over the last few months of sermons but never answered




does this make an immune system like grace -- did Adam develop it when he was given garments?

Interesting
I can tell you are a deep thinker.

Brother Roloff said where ever you find a poison ,the antidote is growing near by.
An example is rattle snakes and rattlesnake weed.

That dynamic has been lost for the most part.