Many Quote Rev 3:10 Suggesting This Supports A Pre-Trib Rapture, Does It?

[Truth7t7]

Many quote Revelation 3:10, suggesting the church is raptured to heaven, to escape the hour of temptation?

1.) How will the synagogue of satan worship at the churches feet, if they are raptured to heaven?

2.) Why is the church exhorted on the second coming (Behold I Come Quickly) if they are raptured to heaven?

3.) How does the church (Overcome) if they are raptured away to heaven?

As is clearly seen, the claim this represents a pre-trib rapture is false.

Revelation 3:9-12KJV
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

As seen below, the church will escape the (Hour Of Temptation) seen in Rev 3:10 during the tribulation, that will come upon the earth, the instruction is to enter the dwelling/home and close the door, just like the passover in Egypt

Isaiah 26:20-21KJV
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

 

[Dino246]

This message was not written to "the Church"; rather, it was written to "the church at Philadelphia".

 

[Truth7t7]

This message was not written to "the Church"; rather, it was written to "the church at Philadelphia".

Big Smiles, Real Big!

It wasn't written to the church, it was written to the church in Philadelphia?

Who are those in Philadelphia?

The Church, Just as I stated, BIG SMILES!

A Circular response, proving my claim, gotta love it!

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Only a few will be Raptured and only a few will be saved at the Second Coming compared to the world’s population. Matthew 7:14, Romans 11

 

[Truth7t7]

Only a few will be Raptured and only a few will be saved at the Second Coming compared to the world’s population. Matthew 7:14, Romans 11

I Agree!

The (Sea) below represents multitudes of people, they are gone in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem.

Revelation 21:1KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Bi

I Agree!

The (Sea) below represents multitudes of people, they are gone in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem.

Revelation 21:1KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

During the end of the Millennium, most of those without a Glorified Body will join Satan after he is released for a short season.

 

[Dino246]

Big Smiles, Real Big!

It wasn't written to the church, it was written to the church in Philadelphia?

Who are those in Philadelphia?

The Church, Just as I stated, BIG SMILES!

A Circular response, proving my claim, gotta love it!

Your mockery is noted.

The church in Philadelphia is a portion of the Church universal, but is not the Church universal. Further, the letter was written in the first century, so it's applicability to any other church or time is limited.

 

[Truth7t7]

During the end of the Millennium, most of those without a Glorified Body will join Satan after he is released for a short season.

No Millennium Kingdom With Mortal Humans On This Earth is found in the Scripture.

Many (Falsely) claim this Kingdom on Earth is found in Revelation 20:1-6 below, as you can clearly see this claim is (False)

The scripture presented is seen 100% in the spiritual realm, no Kingdom or Mortals on Earth are seen, not a (One)

100% Spiritual, Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[JaumeJ]

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

No Millennium Kingdom With Mortal Humans On This Earth is found in the Scripture.

Are you SDA? They believe the Earth will be void during the Millennium Kingdom, taken from the scriptures of Jeremiah 4:23-26.

Many Baptist and Scholars believe Jeremiah 4:23-26 would associate Genesis 1:1-2 and 2 Peter 3:5-6, with a pre-Adamic civilization, that there were men of the Earth before Adam and also cities. This is called the "GAP THEORY."

 

[Truth7t7]

Are you SDA? They believe the Earth will be void during the Millennium Kingdom, taken from the scriptures of Jeremiah 4:23-26.

Many Baptist and Scholars believe Jeremiah 4:23-26 would associate Genesis 1:1-2 and 2 Peter 3:5-6, with a pre-Adamic civilization, that there were men of the Earth before Adam and also cities. This is called the "GAP THEORY."

Thanks for the response!

I have attended Baptist, Non-Denominational, Assembly of God, Four Square, and currently im a homebody

I dont follow any denominational teaching, I read the Holy Bible alone, without mans commentaries or influence.

Gods word clearly teaches that Jesus Christ returns in fire and Final judgement, dissolving this earth by fire, its simple, clear, and very easy to understand, cant have a Millennium on a earth that is dissolved!

Many use Rev 20:1-6 trying to establish a literal mortal Kingdom on this earth, it's a big fairy tale, No Kingdom or Mortal Humans on this earth are seen in the Scripture mentioned.

 

[Corban]

Many quote Revelation 3:10, suggesting the church is raptured to heaven, to escape the hour of temptation?

1.) How will the synagogue of satan worship at the churches feet, if they are raptured to heaven?

2.) Why is the church exhorted on the second coming (Behold I Come Quickly) if they are raptured to heaven?

3.) How does the church (Overcome) if they are raptured away to heaven?

As is clearly seen, the claim this represents a pre-trib rapture is false.

Revelation 3:9-12KJV
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

As seen below, the church will escape the (Hour Of Temptation) seen in Rev 3:10 during the tribulation, that will come upon the earth, the instruction is to enter the dwelling/home and close the door, just like the passover in Egypt

Isaiah 26:20-21KJV
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

Your argument is vain. This is why.

1. The tribulation will come upon the "WHOLE earth", or "ALL the world". There is no safe place, or "door", or any thing ON 'ALL' THE EARTH that will be safe
2. The Promise is escape. So if the Tribulation is in "ALL the earth" there are two options left. (i) UNDER the earth in Hades, and (ii) ABOVE the earth in the clouds.
3. According to Ephesians 3:5 and 9, and other scriptures like Matthew 13:17 and Romans 16:25, the Church was not revealed to the prophets of Old. Your quote from Isaiah could not mean the Church. It is an Israeli prophet prophesying to Israel about Israel.

In regard to point # 2, Luke 21:36 confirms it. The PLACE where those go who escape is "to stand before the Son of Man". Since the Son of Man only comes to earth "AFTER the Tribulation of those days", the "standing" must be in the clouds.

 

[Truth7t7]

1. According to Ephesians 3:5 and 9, and other scriptures like Matthew 13:17 and Romans 16:25, the Church was not revealed to the prophets of Old. Your quote from Isaiah could not mean the Church. It is an Israeli prophet prophesying to Israel about Israel.

Your claim is false, the prophets spoke of the saints in the church, just a few examples added!

Daniel 7:18KJV
18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Zechariah 14:5KJV
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

The resurrection of the Church, right along with Isaiah!

Isaiah 26:19KJV
19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

 

[Truth7t7]

1. The tribulation will come upon the "WHOLE earth", or "ALL the world". There is no safe place, or "door", or any thing ON 'ALL' THE EARTH that will be safe

Your claim is false again, the sealed Christian's are protected from the tribulations plagues, as its commanded only those that (Have Not The Seal Of God) will be tormented.

Revelation 9:2-6KJV
2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

All Christian's Are Sealed By The Holy Spirit.

Ephesian 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Revelation 22:3-4KJV
3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

 

[Corban]

Your claim is false, the prophets spoke of the saints in the church, just a few examples added!

Daniel 7:18KJV
18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Zechariah 14:5KJV
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

The resurrection of the Church, right along with Isaiah!

Isaiah 26:19KJV
19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

You CHANGED things again. I said CHURCH - The "Ekklesia" - literally "the gathering of the called out ones" - the Mystical Body of Christ - the House of God. You say "saints in the Church".

You are not honest. In the posting I answered you alluded to the CHURCH. Now you change your argument to the individuals.

 

[Corban]

Your claim is false again, the sealed Christian's are protected from the tribulations plagues, as its commanded only those that (Have Not The Seal Of God) will be tormented.

Revelation 9:2-6KJV
2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

All Christian's Are Sealed By The Holy Spirit.

Ephesian 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Revelation 22:3-4KJV
3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

No. Your claim is false. Those who are "sealed" are OF THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL (see Chapter 7) - not the Church. And there is a vast difference between being "sealed in the forehead" and being sealed by the Holy Spirit. Or maybe not in your way of making different things the same.

 

[Truth7t7]

No. Your claim is false. Those who are "sealed" are OF THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL (see Chapter 7) - not the Church. And there is a vast difference between being "sealed in the forehead" and being sealed by the Holy Spirit. Or maybe not in your way of making different things the same.

Would you claim that those seen below pertain specifically to the 144,000, a teaching found only within the Jehovahs Witnesses?

Revelation 22:3-4KJV
3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

 

[Corban]

Would you claim that those seen below pertain specifically to the 144,000, a teaching found only within the Jehovahs Witnesses?

Revelation 22:3-4KJV
3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

144,000 is a teaching of the Bible. It appears as a representative number of Israelites in Revelation Chapter 7. It cannot be literal because the Tribe of Dan is missing. Revelation 7:4 says; "And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel."

It appears in Chapter 14 as the Overcoming Christians "redeemed from the earth" (in Rapture).

And it appears in the measurements of the New Jerusalem, a representative City.

If the Jehovah's Witness abuse its meaning, shall we burn the Bible? Or, if some Christian is mistaken about who is revealed by the 144,000, shall we accuse him of being a Jehovah's Witness because he was young and inexperienced in matters of a difficult Book?

Jehovah's Witness, like all COUNTERFEITS, has large portions of the truth. Do you throw out the truths because JWs claim them? I drive a car. So do murders. Am I thus a murderer?

Do you know the difference between a "seal" and the "Name of God"?