Your Friends in Hell

[Forlorn-Hope]

2.6 Billion off the worlds population of 6.9 Billion are classified as Christian. I would say between 0.5 and 1.5 of these probably arent "proper" christian don't go to church don't believe in God, it's just whats on their Data sheet. Like me for example I just found out Ive been classified as Christian by my school for the last 4 years I could have escaped all those awful chaplain assemblies So using those numbers best case scenario... what like 4.8 billion people burn, worst Case 5.9 Billion That Kill to death ratio is worse then my little cousins....

 

[Adrianv125]

What happens when you have lied to someone? You hurt them.
What happens when you are lied to? It hurts you.
We usually lie when we have done something else WRONG.
What happens when you steal from someone? You hurt them.
What happens when you get something stolen? It hurts you.
If you ever cheated on a test you stole someone else's grade.
What if you caught a guy looking at your mom with lust? You'd be angry.
What happens when you kill someone? You destroy other peoples's lives.
What happens when someone kills a loved one? Your life is destroyed.
If you have felt hatred in your heart towards someone to the point you want to hurt them physically, you have murdered in your heart.

EVERY human being has broken one or more of these commands that obviously destroy humanity's feelings, existence, and well being.
If we truly understood LOVE we would do none of these things, but only He that knows true LOVE was able to give us these commands to follow them.
If we choose to walk in LOVE then He forgives us and we can be sure that we'll be with Him. If we don't choose to then He is just in giving us what we have
asked for, if we walk in hatred then we reap hatred. The first step to walk in LOVE is to recognize that these things harm us and others. Second step is to
repent completely since we know these things destroy. Third step is to actually start to walk in true LOVE, which is JESUS. He is the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE.

 

[zeroturbulence]

For any Christian that has friends that aren't religious, are you sad that they are 'going to hell?'

Surely Heaven will be a less heavenly place with those special people from your life missing?

However, shouldn't you be rejoicing in God's ruling and thank him for his wisdom, after-all, he is perfect right?

I don't think you can be sad in heaven. Jesus said he came to turn us against our own families and friends, and that we must follow him above anyone else:

Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn

“‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’e
“Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

Matthew 10:34-39 NIV

 

[Jallen057]

“‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’e
“Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

Matthew 10:34-39 NIV

Ok back to my original point then, forget sadness, what should you feel?

Judging by that quote you should be rejoicing because the love you have on this earth is nothing compared to what you will receive from God?

You should be happy your friends and family are going to hell shouldn't you? After all, God is perfect....

 

[DinoDillinger]

No one chooses hell, they don't believe that it exists. I don't hate god, I simply don't believe that he exists. I idolize the tools of satan in no way. I love humans I don't "idolize" them. And the same applies for millions of others just like me. We're not choosing hell and we're not evil, and yet you believe that we deserve eternal torture anyways. No one chooses eternal torture, they're not even aware that the choice even exists, or they were born Muslims and thought their god was real, there are numerous reasons why someone wouldn't believe in the Christian god and none of them qualify as choosing hell.



If children are naughty and misbehave, or even mock their parent, there are better ways to discipline than dragging them into the basement and beating them for the rest of their (eternal) lives. Child abuse is sick and evil, yet we're children compared to god, and he's allowed to torture us for eternity because of a few mistakes we made?



OK, well from his perspective... And I don't think this reflects reality, but under the pretense that your whole faith is correct... As God the father I see my daughter (who would be the non-hypothetical me) who believes that I do not exist, I've never shown myself to her though. She is genuinely trying to live as a good person and support/be kind to others. Judgement day comes. I see my daughter now, trembling and terrified... Is this the part where I'm supposed to send her to hell to be in the worst imaginable agony forever? Because it's not. The idea of doing that to anyone, even Hitler, is just gut-wrenchingly tear-inducingly abhorrent. Especially when I'm an all powerful being who can do literally anything I want. I'd actually just hug her and tell her she doesn't have to be afraid, because her father loves his children.

There's my "god's perspective" and no matter which way you look at it, torturing any being that can feel pain for eternity is disgusting, the concept of it makes me sick to my stomach. It cannot be justified, to put someone through pain like that. God is supposed to love, heal, and forgive, not create eternal torture chambers for all his children who can't bring themselves to believe he exists. Do you see how ridiculous it is from his perspective, a being that can do literally anything, having created such a horrible place and sending so many people he supposedly loves there? Why did he ever create hell in the first place?

I dont know your story or who hurt you but when considering the bible as the word of God you must take into consideration that you are biased against it since it condemns you as a sinner and guilty before God. Now it does this with all mankind so that probably offends you more. I suppose you have heard the gospel before but you can not recieve it unless you humble yourself as a little child. I won't bother defending God's judgement to you, He can do that if He would like.

 

[wakeup]

For any Christian that has friends that aren't religious, are you sad that they are 'going to hell?'

Surely Heaven will be a less heavenly place with those special people from your life missing?

However, shouldn't you be rejoicing in God's ruling and thank him for his wisdom, after-all, he is perfect right?

Your friends will have a chance in the second resurection,they will be judged according to their works.If they dont pass, then this only means that they are bad in heart; you wont consider them as friends anymore.

 

[LaylieCalmMind]

I dont know your story or who hurt you but when considering the bible as the word of God you must take into consideration that you are biased against it since it condemns you as a sinner and guilty before God.

Actually when I lost my faith, I consulted every pastor who would meet with me, desperately trying to hold onto my beliefs, get answers. The idea of losing my faith was absolutely horrifying to me because of the doctrine of hell. I'm not biased, I was biased towards it and I overcame that. Have you ever considered it is you that is biased towards it?

 

[Jallen057]

Your friends will have a chance in the second resurection,they will be judged according to their works.If they dont pass, then this only means that they are bad in heart; you wont consider them as friends anymore.

Second resurrection?

 

[resurrection33]

For any Christian that has friends that aren't religious, are you sad that they are 'going to hell?'

Surely Heaven will be a less heavenly place with those special people from your life missing?

However, shouldn't you be rejoicing in God's ruling and thank him for his wisdom, after-all, he is perfect right?

I think we are in hell right now if we are in sin. When we stop sinning, the Lord lifts us up out of hell. The only way to spend all eternity in hell is to refuse to repent of our sin throughout all eternity.

 

[MaggieMye]

Those in heaven will REMEMBER and RECOGZINE those that are also there. Those that go to hell will remember. Those in heaven will not grieve for those in hell because they will not remember them; there can be no sorrow in heaven, no grief. WE will have our eyes SOLELY on the Lord. We will be LIKE the angels, neither being married or marrying. We are SPIRITUAL beings first and formost. Our physical bodies are irrelevant as we will know each other by the Spirit.

 

[Dude653]

For any Christian that has friends that aren't religious, are you sad that they are 'going to hell?'

Surely Heaven will be a less heavenly place with those special people from your life missing?

However, shouldn't you be rejoicing in God's ruling and thank him for his wisdom, after-all, he is perfect right?

Im not religious either.. I have a relationship with Jesus Christ. religion is the problem.. there will be plenty of religious people in hell

 

[MaggieMye]

religion is the problem.. there will be plenty of religious people in hell

EXACTLY!

 

[EverlastingChange]

I'm not so sure about remembering them or not, but either or I know we won't be mourning them. How, I don't exactly know. All I know is God is taking care of it (below) cause heaven wouldn't be heaven surely if we were burdened with the knowledge of loved ones and friends in hell for eternity, so I trust God with that.

"Revelation 21:3-4 (Amplified Bible)

3 Then I heard a mighty voice from the throne and I perceived its distinct words, saying, See! The abode of God is with men, and He will live (encamp, tent) among them; and they shall be His people, and God shall personally be with them and be their God.

4 God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and death shall be no more, neither shall there be anguish (sorrow and mourning) nor grief nor pain any more, for the old conditions and the former order of things have passed away."

 

[jimmydiggs]

Yes, I don't understand it, exactly. I was always extremely confused as to why the adults and other children didn't seem to be absolutely mortified by the concept of this place we were being taught about in Sunday school. Maybe I didn't understand somehow, or maybe they didn't understand, maybe they didn't comprehend what torture would be like for an eternity, but I did. At least that part, I can understand. But I guess I'm just not intelligent enough to understand that torturing the vast majority of humans for eternity is a good idea.

On what basis do we determine that which is good?

Interesting that you avoided answering it. A lot of what you're describing is sexual attraction, not so much love. And it being simply an occurrence of the physical brain doesn't diminish the effect of the emotion itself, and how you really should have some painful ones for anyone in such a fate.

I did not avoid the question, I asked you to rephrase it. What you call love is not what the bible declares it to be. Therefor we will not have a full understanding of each other's positions if that is not understood first. Thus the reason I ask for a rephrasing to accurately represent what you actually believe love to be. (hence my mentioning biology/neurolgy/etc)

Actually, I would make the arguement something like this...


(1) The development of the human mind through natural history has provided those minds with a number of special properties.
(2) When considering the natural and social world, these properties encourage humans to believe in love.
(3) Therefore, the development of human minds has produced belief in Love (i.e., Love is an “accident” of evolution.)
(5) Therefore, belief in Love is unwarranted.

That is, assuming of course the love we are speaking about is what it is often portrayed to be culturally.

It doesn't matter that this is generally true, that's the cause for the love, doesn't make the actual feelings any less real.

See above arguement.

And my mother hates me.

I don't know what your parental relationship is like, if she really does hate you I do not approve of that.

 

[Thomas60]

(1) The development of the human mind through natural history has provided those minds with a number of special properties.
(2) When considering the natural and social world, these properties encourage humans to believe in love.
(3) Therefore, the development of human minds has produced belief in Love (i.e., Love is an “accident” of evolution.)
(5) Therefore, belief in Love is unwarranted.

re-write (5) in favour of "Therefore, belief in love is unsupported by this logic'
When we talk of love (affection), we are not talking about some physical attribute or the origin of emotions, but the state of mind we have reached that we call love. I agree when the question is what is love, answers start to become origin based and physical.

 

[jimmydiggs]

No one chooses hell, they don't believe that it exists.

Which would be choosing by proxy.

I don't hate god, I simply don't believe that he exists.

If Christ reveals himself to you in person at the end of reading this post, and declares the bible to be true through and through, what is your response? Would you worship?

I idolize the tools of satan in no way.

What are the tools of Satan?

I love humans I don't "idolize" them.

Matthew 6:24
24 “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money

Anytime you place something over God, it is idolatry.

And the same applies for millions of others just like me. We're not choosing hell and we're not evil, and yet you believe that we deserve eternal torture anyways. No one chooses eternal torture, they're not even aware that the choice even exists, or they were born Muslims and thought their god was real, there are numerous reasons why someone wouldn't believe in the Christian god and none of them qualify as choosing hell.

Choosing by proxy.

If children are naughty and misbehave, or even mock their parent, there are better ways to discipline than dragging them into the basement and beating them for the rest of their (eternal) lives. Child abuse is sick and evil, yet we're children compared to god, and he's allowed to torture us for eternity because of a few mistakes we made?

Value judgements in a value-less world?

OK, well from his perspective... And I don't think this reflects reality, but under the pretense that your whole faith is correct... As God the father I see my daughter (who would be the non-hypothetical me) who believes that I do not exist, I've never shown myself to her though.

What are you asking for? A post-card from God? That every proton have enscribed, "Made by God"?

She is genuinely trying to live as a good person and support/be kind to others.

Eh, evolutionary altruism.

Judgement day comes. I see my daughter now, trembling and terrified... Is this the part where I'm supposed to send her to hell to be in the worst imaginable agony forever? Because it's not. The idea of doing that to anyone, even Hitler, is just gut-wrenchingly tear-inducingly abhorrent. Especially when I'm an all powerful being who can do literally anything I want. I'd actually just hug her and tell her she doesn't have to be afraid, because her father loves his children.

1) Can't do "anything" as you put it. Omnipotent woudl be anything logically possible. For example, he can't make a one-ended stick as that would be a violation of the definition of "stick."

2) Putting ourselves in hypothetical situations such as what you are attempting won't serve to understand thsoe in that acual position, especially when dealing with God. As humans, we don't even begin to grasp the entirety of God.

There's my "god's perspective" and no matter which way you look at it, torturing any being that can feel pain for eternity is disgusting, the concept of it makes me sick to my stomach. It cannot be justified, to put someone through pain like that.

Very correct. It is yours, not God's. I do however like the blatant inconsistancy of making values-based judgements in a valueless world.

God is supposed to love, heal, and forgive, not create eternal torture chambers for all his children who can't bring themselves to believe he exists. Do you see how ridiculous it is from his perspective, a being that can do literally anything, having created such a horrible place and sending so many people he supposedly loves there? Why did he ever create hell in the first place?

Whose God? Yours? Hell is the just wrath of a Holy God.

 

[jimmydiggs]

re-write (5) in favour of "Therefore, belief in love is unsupported by this logic'
When we talk of love (affection), we are not talking about some physical attribute or the origin of emotions, but the state of mind we have reached that we call love. I agree when the question is what is love, answers start to become origin based and physical.

According to Dr. Michael Shermer....

We parents can't help feeling this way, and neuroscience explains why. Addictive chemicals such as dopamine and oxytocin surge through the brain and body during positive social interactions (especially touch). This causes us to feel closer to one another. Between parents and offspring, it cements a bond so solid that it is broken only under the most unusual (and usually pathological) circumstances. Mothers of serial killers have been known to weep in court and plead for leniency, even in the presence of the mothers of the murdered victims.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/2010-10-13-column13_ST1_N.htm <-- click for original
AlbertMohler.com &ndash; Evolution and the Empty Nest Syndrome <--- click

 

[Thomas60]

...but we believe the feeling happens because it does
I don't understand how understanding how love comes about changes what it is, a feeling. It's not like understanding and justifying feelings stops giving you the ability to feel.

 

[jimmydiggs]

...but we believe the feeling happens because it does
I don't understand how understanding how love comes about changes what it is, a feeling. It's not like understanding and justifying feelings stops giving you the ability to feel.

Just a drug cocktail. Nothing significant about it.

EDIT: No intrinsic value either. We just value it subjectively and arbitrarily, atleast according to evolutionary biology.

 

[Thomas60]

A complex drug cocktail that is linked with the interactions and nature of social relationships.