Can we be forgiven for sins we won't repent of?

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JaumeJ

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JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE SINNED, DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE STILL ARE SINNING, WE DO HAVE THE CHOICE NOT TO COMMIT SINS, AND COMMITING SIN IS, WE KNOW IT IS SIN, AND DO IT ANYWAY, GOD DOES NOT JUDGE US FOR SINS THAT WE DO NOT KNOW IS SIN, HE IS GOING TO JUDGE US FOR THE THINGS THAT WE KNOW IS SIN, AND STILL DO IT. ALL HAVE SINNED< BUT THAT DON'T MEAN THAT THEY HAFT TO KEEP ON SINNING, THEY DO HAVE THE CHOICE TO STOP SINNING AND LET YESUAH PAY FOR THE SINS THAT THEY HAVE DONE, THEN BY KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS THEY CAN QUIT COMMITING SIN, DO YOU NOT KNOW THAT A LOT OF THE REFORMERS CHOSE TO BE BURNT AND DIE, ON A STACK, RATHER THEN TO CHOSE TO SIN AND AND LIVE, THIS IS WHAT I CALL REPENTENCE, AND I PREY THAT GOD GIVES ME THE SPIRIT AND STRANGTH AND KNOWLEDGE TO DO THE SAME, TO DIE RATHER THEN TO SIN. I PRAISE GOD THAT GOD LET ME LEARN HOW THE REFORMERS DIED FOR THEIR FAITH, THAT IS WHAT I CALL FAITHFUL UNTO DEATH, PRAISE GOD. AND BELIEVE ME THAT TIME OF PERSECUTION IS GETTING REAL CLOSE AGAIN,
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ForestGreenCook

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THE BIBLE SAYS THAT JOB WAS A PERFECT AND UPRIGHT MAN.
JOB 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name [was] Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
1:2 And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters.
PSALMS 37:37 Mark the perfect [man], and behold the upright: for the end of [that] man [is] peace.
37:38 But the transgressors shall be destroyed together: the end of the wicked shall be cut off.
Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
7:14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
{ The reason that most people is going to be LOST is, BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT GIVE UP THEIR SINS SO THEY CAN BE SAVED, THE BIBLE SAYS REPENT FIRST.
MARK 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
ACTS 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
I am in agreement with tribesman, in that repentance is a product of regenerated people.
 

ForestGreenCook

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LUKE 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Perish = death = separation. When a regenerated person commits a sin, they separate themselves from their fellowship with God, because God will not fellowship sin. When they confess their sin and repent, and if God forgives them, they have just experienced a salvation=deliverance (here in time, not eternally, because they already have their eternal inheritance). from the consequences of that sin.

All scriptures must harmonize in order to understand the doctrine that Jesus taught.
 

ForestGreenCook

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BECAUSE THEY HAVE SINED IS THE REASON THAT PEOPLE WILL DIE, FOR THERE IS NO DEATH sentence WITHOUT SINNING, THAT IS WHY JESUS CAME TO PAY FOR THE SINS THAT I HAVE COMMITED, THE WAGES FOR SIN IS DEATH,
Jesus paid for the sins of those that his Father gave him, and he said he would not lose any. Even though their sins are already paid for as far as their eternal security is concerned, they will still give in to the temptations of sin at times, and in need to repent, until they die a natural death. The wages of sin for the regenerated person is a separation=death from their fellowship with God, not their eternal inheritance, until they repent.
 
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Jesus paid for the sins of those that his Father gave him, and he said he would not lose any. Even though their sins are already paid for as far as their eternal security is concerned, they will still give in to the temptations of sin at times, and in need to repent, until they die a natural death. The wages of sin for the regenerated person is a separation=death from their fellowship with God, not their eternal inheritance, until they repent.
IF YOU STUDY THE SCRIPTURE , YOU WILL SEE THAT HE WANTS TO SAVE ALL, AND ALL ARE HIS, AND HE IS GOING TO LOSE ALMOST ALL OF THEM, ALL BUT THE ONES THAT TRUELY REPENT AND FIGHT A GOOD FIGHT OF NOT SINNING. AND THE ONES THAT HE IS TELLING US THAT HE DIDN'T LOSE IS NONE OF THE APOSTLES, EXCEPT ONE, AND HE DID EVEN THEN LOSE ONE OF THEM, WHOM HE LOVED DEARLY, DON'T BE DECEIVED,
HE WANTS TO SAVE ALL, BUT IS GOING TO LOSE MOST OF US.
THE BIBLE SAYS THAT HE CHASTISES ALL MEANING EVERY BODY. EVEN ALL THE LOST.
 

ForestGreenCook

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NOW YOU LOOK AT THESE VERSES AND SEE WHAT THE FIRST PART OF THEIE SALVATION COMES FIRST, IT IS REPENT!!!
JESUS SAY UNLESS YOU REPENT YOU WILL LIKE WISE PERISH.
ACTS 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
ACTS 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
ACTS 8:22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
REVELATION 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
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Acts 2:38, "For", = "because of", (Christ's death on the cross) not, "in order to obtain", the remission of sins. and ye shall receive the "revelation"=gift of the Holy Ghost

Acts 3:19, When the regenerate person repents, and is "converted=turn from his old ways". We are first born again, and sometime after receiving much teaching, we turn away from our old ways, and are converted. "the times of refreshing" = revival. The [=] signs that I am using denotes Greek concordance.

Acts 8:22, has reference to regenerate people.

Rev 3:19-22, Verse 22 sums it up; "He that hath an ear to hear". Psalms 10:17, Lord thou hast heard the desire of the humble, thou wilt "prepare their heart" = change their heart from stony to fleshy in the new birth. John 10;27-28, My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me, and I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
 
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WHY DON'T YOU JUST SAY HIS SINS, THAT IS THE ONLY REASON THAT WE WILL RECEIVE THE DEATH sentence.
 

ForestGreenCook

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IF YOU STUDY THE SCRIPTURE , YOU WILL SEE THAT HE WANTS TO SAVE ALL, AND ALL ARE HIS, AND HE IS GOING TO LOSE ALMOST ALL OF THEM, ALL BUT THE ONES THAT TRUELY REPENT AND FIGHT A GOOD FIGHT OF NOT SINNING. AND THE ONES THAT HE IS TELLING US THAT HE DIDN'T LOSE IS NONE OF THE APOSTLES, EXCEPT ONE, AND HE DID EVEN THEN LOSE ONE OF THEM, WHOM HE LOVED DEARLY, DON'T BE DECEIVED,
HE WANTS TO SAVE ALL, BUT IS GOING TO LOSE MOST OF US.
THE BIBLE SAYS THAT HE CHASTISES ALL MEANING EVERY BODY. EVEN ALL THE LOST.
I fail to see that the apostles are specifically pointed out in John 6:40.

Scriptures uphold that there will be such a large number in heaven that they cannot be counted, as many as the stars in heaven, and the sand in the seashore. the scriptures that mention "the few", "the remnant", "the little flock", etc, are referencing those of God's children that have been revealed the truths of Jesus's doctrine, and are teaching, and preaching it.

You and I are in disagreement as to who God loves, and does not love. Heb 12:6, For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. You claim that he chastens everyone. You should read Psalms 73, paying special attention to verse 5 - They are not in trouble as other men; neither are they "plagued=divinely punished" like other men.
 

ForestGreenCook

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WHY DON'T YOU JUST SAY HIS SINS, THAT IS THE ONLY REASON THAT WE WILL RECEIVE THE DEATH sentence.
If this question is directed to me, tell me which comment of mine that you are referring to.
 

Pilgrimshope

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We are told we can be forgiven for every sin but blasphemy, even for sins we don't know about.

The Sacrificial System was a shadow of Christ. In Leviticus 5:17-18 they were offered forgiveness for sins they weren't aware of committing. Christ gives us forgiveness in a more perfect way. In Psalm 19:12 "Who can discern their own errors? Forgive my hidden faults."

Scripture also states we are to repent. The Lord is aware that we cannot be perfect, we can only repent and give our will to be perfect to the Lord. Can we be forgiven if we will not repent?

Can we be forgiven if we do not will to be perfect, if we don't repent?
“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭10:

repentance is necessary but it needs to be understood First . Repentance isn’t to determine to “ never sin again” repentance is in regards to what you have already done . And it begins in the heart and mind

“So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-7‬ ‭

God made man for good and he saw what man had become doing evil to each other , so this brought repentance to his heart and mind. Repentance is something internal that then leads to actions if it is genuine .

Christ’s gospel is a call to repentance for believers

I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭5:32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

what it does is create a repentant heart in those who accept and believe

“Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:27-

to a believer who looks with lustful intentions and fantasy this will create a seed for repentance in thier heart. But often we reject Gods word so we never allow for the seeds of repentance to take root in our hearts .

we tell ourselves reasons why it doesn’t apply to us so we don’t have to confront the repentance in us . If we stand in the light of Christ he will reprove and correct our hearts and grant real repentance
 

Magenta

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JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE SINNED, DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE STILL ARE SINNING, WE DO HAVE THE CHOICE NOT TO COMMIT SINS, AND COMMITING SIN IS, WE KNOW IT IS SIN, AND DO IT ANYWAY, GOD DOES NOT JUDGE US FOR SINS THAT WE DO NOT KNOW IS SIN, HE IS GOING TO JUDGE US FOR THE THINGS THAT WE KNOW IS SIN, AND STILL DO IT. ALL HAVE SINNED< BUT THAT DON'T MEAN THAT THEY HAFT TO KEEP ON SINNING, THEY DO HAVE THE CHOICE TO STOP SINNING AND LET YESUAH PAY FOR THE SINS THAT THEY HAVE DONE, THEN BY KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS THEY CAN QUIT COMMITING SIN, DO YOU NOT KNOW THAT A LOT OF THE REFORMERS CHOSE TO BE BURNT AND DIE, ON A STACK, RATHER THEN TO CHOSE TO SIN AND AND LIVE, THIS IS WHAT I CALL REPENTENCE, AND I PREY THAT GOD GIVES ME THE SPIRIT AND STRANGTH AND KNOWLEDGE TO DO THE SAME, TO DIE RATHER THEN TO SIN. I PRAISE GOD THAT GOD LET ME LEARN HOW THE REFORMERS DIED FOR THEIR FAITH, THAT IS WHAT I CALL FAITHFUL UNTO DEATH, PRAISE GOD. AND BELIEVE ME THAT TIME OF PERSECUTION IS GETTING REAL CLOSE AGAIN,
Please stop shouting :oops:

PS~ a "haft" is the handle of a knife, ax, or spear.
 

Rosemaryx

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JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE SINNED, DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE STILL ARE SINNING, WE DO HAVE THE CHOICE NOT TO COMMIT SINS, AND COMMITING SIN IS, WE KNOW IT IS SIN, AND DO IT ANYWAY, GOD DOES NOT JUDGE US FOR SINS THAT WE DO NOT KNOW IS SIN, HE IS GOING TO JUDGE US FOR THE THINGS THAT WE KNOW IS SIN, AND STILL DO IT. ALL HAVE SINNED< BUT THAT DON'T MEAN THAT THEY HAFT TO KEEP ON SINNING, THEY DO HAVE THE CHOICE TO STOP SINNING AND LET YESUAH PAY FOR THE SINS THAT THEY HAVE DONE, THEN BY KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS THEY CAN QUIT COMMITING SIN, DO YOU NOT KNOW THAT A LOT OF THE REFORMERS CHOSE TO BE BURNT AND DIE, ON A STACK, RATHER THEN TO CHOSE TO SIN AND AND LIVE, THIS IS WHAT I CALL REPENTENCE, AND I PREY THAT GOD GIVES ME THE SPIRIT AND STRANGTH AND KNOWLEDGE TO DO THE SAME, TO DIE RATHER THEN TO SIN. I PRAISE GOD THAT GOD LET ME LEARN HOW THE REFORMERS DIED FOR THEIR FAITH, THAT IS WHAT I CALL FAITHFUL UNTO DEATH, PRAISE GOD. AND BELIEVE ME THAT TIME OF PERSECUTION IS GETTING REAL CLOSE AGAIN,
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Can you stop writing in caps...
You have shown that you can type in a manner of small letters , it is very of putting , it is like you are screaming at people when you type , please consider others and thank you @bud62
 

Blik

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WHY DON'T YOU JUST SAY HIS SINS, THAT IS THE ONLY REASON THAT WE WILL RECEIVE THE DEATH sentence.
When we manage to hear the words you write in spite of your shouting at us, the words make sense. Please don't shout so we can hear your thoughts.
 
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I fail to see that the apostles are specifically pointed out in John 6:40.

Scriptures uphold that there will be such a large number in heaven that they cannot be counted, as many as the stars in heaven, and the sand in the seashore. the scriptures that mention "the few", "the remnant", "the little flock", etc, are referencing those of God's children that have been revealed the truths of Jesus's doctrine, and are teaching, and preaching it.

You and I are in disagreement as to who God loves, and does not love. Heb 12:6, For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. You claim that he chastens everyone. You should read Psalms 73, paying special attention to verse 5 - They are not in trouble as other men; neither are they "plagued=divinely punished" like other men.
The LORD let us know that the number of the saved is going to be very small besides the number that will be lost, AND that is very BAD.
 

Blik

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The LORD let us know that the number of the saved is going to be very small besides the number that will be lost, AND that is very BAD.
We really need to figure out why so many are not recognized by the Lord. Could it be related to repentance and the ability of the Lord to hear us?

We know that the Lord can have no fellowship with the darkness of sin, and it is only through repentance and Christ that we can emerge from that darkness. We can only have fellowship with the Lord, the Lord can only hear us, when Christ has cleansed us of our sin. We are told to do that we must repent and turn to Christ in faith. Then we live through Christ, not through our fleshly sin. Christ is holy and pure, Christ cannot be with sin.
 

Blade

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The LORD let us know that the number of the saved is going to be very small besides the number that will be lost, AND that is very BAD.
Hey my brother.. I have to disagree with you "After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, "

Its clear "all nations, tribes. peoples. and tongues".
 
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Hey my brother.. I have to disagree with you "After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, "

Its clear "all nations, tribes. peoples. and tongues".
Yes but you looking at the saved from the beginning of the world to the end of the world, I do believe you can find out, SO that will be just 1 drop in a billion gallon tank, if it would even be that much,
JESUS tells that it's going to be that way in more then one place, IF you believe JESUS.
Matthew
7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
7:14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. JESUS is tell us here that there is going to be few saved, MAY GOD HELP US ALL, BUT it NOT GOD'S falt , it is because they want repent of their sins, YESUAH MADE A way for them, but they love their sins more then they love GOD, And won't give them UP,
 

ForestGreenCook

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The LORD let us know that the number of the saved is going to be very small besides the number that will be lost, AND that is very BAD.
Can you let me know what scriptures confirm your statement?