Replacement theology.

[kaylagrl]

Here you go again inverting the scripture. The nation that was born in a day is the nation that was born THE DAY JESUS CHRIST WAS BORN!

Ahhh no, the church is not a nation. The nation born in a day is Israel.

Isa 66:7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
Isa 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion (NOT MT SINAI) travailed, she brought forth her children.

Jesus Chris IS NOT the child of the BOND WOMAN! That teaching is heretical and disgusting!
Edit: Please repent and withdraw your statement.

You are in error and the statement stands. Read what I posted on the linage and inheritance plz before you get hysterical. You are putting the church where it does not belong. The church is not a nation. I don't know why this is such a difficult thing to understand.

 

[KJV1611]

Ahhh no, the church is not a nation. The nation born in a day is Israel.

Isa 66:7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
Isa 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion (NOT MT SINAI) travailed, she brought forth her children.

Jesus Chris IS NOT the child of the BOND WOMAN! That teaching is heretical and disgusting!
Edit: Please repent and withdraw your statement.

1Pe_2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Is the holy NATION in 1 Peter 2:9 the church?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

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The men of Nineveh will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it, ​

because they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and indeed a greater than Jonah is here.​

(Matthew 12:41) ​

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you don't seem to accept their belief & repentance and the LORD's mercy on them as evidence He saves them, but do you suppose that God accepts the judgement of the damned? why is He saying these men will condemn unbelieving Israel if they are likewise damned, and there is no difference?
Christ directly links Himself to Jonah in this passage ((also Luke 11)) and by explicitly identifying by way of contrast those who rejected Him at His appearing, He directly links those who do believe Him with repentance to the Ninevites who turned in faith to God at the preaching of Jonah, looking for ((& receiving)) His mercy.
is God's mercy real or is it only a temporary illusion of mercy? the LORD is telling us Jonah & Ninevah is a picture of Him -- if that picture is a picture only of a deception of salvation which results in condemnation, then the picture is telling us none of us are saved either; that there is no salvation at all & God is a liar.

it seems to me that either Christ is making faulty analogies or Christ is telling us that those Ninevites were redeemed and saved just as we who believe Him now are. i do not believe God speaks with a forked tongue.

Amen and amen

when you look to your righteous deeds as a means of final salvation, you miss the intricate details of the truth of Gods word

 

[KJV1611]

Y’all realize that the saints of Nineveh did rise up with Christ at his resurrection. Yes they did, and their resurrection and walking the streets of Jerusalem was them rising up in judgement against Israel.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The program that God has for the nation of Israel is entirely different from the program that He has in mind for the church. The promises that God has given to Israel are directed toward the literal, physical Jew of the literal and physical land of Israel. So even though not all who were born to Abraham were of Abraham, and not all who were born to Isaac were of Isaac, and not all who were born to Jacob were of Jacob, neither are those who are of the church, “OF Israel” either. The church or “ekklesia” is a called out assembly that had a starting point (whether you believe began with Peter in Matthew 16, or with Pentecost in Acts 1-2) that inherits spiritual blessings of faith that was fulfilled in Christ through the tribe of Judah, but no part of the church is included in the fulfillment of the promises yet to be consummated in Ephraim and the restoration of the divided land of Israel. The church includes Gentiles that were grafted in to those spiritual promises, and they will be grafted out when the times of the Gentiles are completed (Romans 11:25), and God again turns His attention back to the nation of Israel. The Gentiles were branches, they were not the ROOT. The Gentiles were grafted into an OLIVE TREE (Romans 11:15-24) through Judah (Jeremiah 11:16), Israel is a FIG TREE. Matthew 24:32, Joel 1:7, Hosea 9:10.


Romans 9 has ONE premise in mind, to answer the question about the Jew (“Hath God cast away his people which he foreknew?” Romans 11:2) and our relevance to the future in light of Israel’s rejection of Messiah to which Paul affirms that “NO” He has not cast away the Jew, because God intends to save a remnant of JEWS within a NATION OF JEWS. This is the significance of the illustration Paul uses of the story of God reserving 7,000 Jews OUT OF A POOL OF OTHER JEWS in Romans 11:1-5 (with 1 Kings 19:18, Romans 9:27).


Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated” means God chose Jacob OVER Esau it does not mean He literally hated Esau. Jesus said in Luke 14:26 ” If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.” Did He literally mean hate?! No, of course not. Paul was talking about a nation, not a person and of His choosing one above another.

I see Romans 9 as paul answering a question many gentiles had to be asking at the time, it is odd that he just through this in all of a sudden, it seemed to come out of no where, I believe paul felt an urgent need for some reason to answer the question he posed in verse has the word of God taken no affect, Ie, did God make a mistake when he chose Israel. Are the argument these Jews make valid, it was probably very confusing to many, how God worked through Israel for A few thousand years and now here come these people who say we should listen to them, and not the very jews whom claimed they are gods representatives,

in doing so, paul answered the questions which were most likely being asked

example, the jews claimed as a Jew they automatically got an in

the jews though they were chosen because of the righteosuness of the fathers, they earned their chosing

these and many more questions were answered, finally in Romans 11 after answering all those questions, paul turns to the current and future situation

his final question to answer is what about the jews,

 

[kaylagrl]

1Pe_2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Is the holy NATION in 1 Peter 2:9 the church?

Paul is NOT talking about the church as a nation. In Romans 9-11 he is speaking of the Jewish nation of Israel, not the church. Israel has fulfilled prophesy being the nation that was born in a day. Not the church!

Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west; I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth” Isaiah 43:5-6

That is not speaking of the church! "The first major exodus back to Israel came from Jews in Syria, Iraq, and Jordan from 1930-1940 (The East). The next groups returned to Israel from Europe following World War 2 (The West). Following the East then West, the Jews returned from Russia (The North) followed by Ethiopian Jews under Operation Solomon in 1991 (The South). "

Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that it shall no more be said, The Lord liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

But, The Lord liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.” Jeremiah 16:14-15

Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. Ezekiel 37:12

In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.” Zechariah 12:6

And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.” Zechariah 12:3


The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose. It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the Lord, and the excellency of our God.” Isaiah 35:1-2

"Israel now has over 400 million trees, and has seen an increase in rain by nearly 500% which has led to other Biblical fulfillments: "

He shall cause them that come of Jacob to take root: Israel shall blossom and bud, and fill the face of the world with fruit.” Isaiah 27:6

And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.” Zechariah 14:8​

'The largest underground water source was discovered in Israel in 2011 during excavation work in the railways of Jerusalem."

All of this has nothing to do with the church. The church has the spiritual blessings, Israel, the nation, has the physical blessings. The two cannot be confused or mixed. The Bible is clear unless you have a personal reason for twisting it's meaning.

 

[KJV1611]

Paul is NOT talking about the church as a nation. In Romans 9-11 he is speaking of the Jewish nation of Israel, not the church. Israel has fulfilled prophesy being the nation that was born in a day. Not the church!

Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west; I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth” Isaiah 43:5-6

That is not speaking of the church! "The first major exodus back to Israel came from Jews in Syria, Iraq, and Jordan from 1930-1940 (The East). The next groups returned to Israel from Europe following World War 2 (The West). Following the East then West, the Jews returned from Russia (The North) followed by Ethiopian Jews under Operation Solomon in 1991 (The South). "

Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that it shall no more be said, The Lord liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;

But, The Lord liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.” Jeremiah 16:14-15

Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. Ezekiel 37:12

In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.” Zechariah 12:6

And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.” Zechariah 12:3


The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose. It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the Lord, and the excellency of our God.” Isaiah 35:1-2

"Israel now has over 400 million trees, and has seen an increase in rain by nearly 500% which has led to other Biblical fulfillments: "

He shall cause them that come of Jacob to take root: Israel shall blossom and bud, and fill the face of the world with fruit.” Isaiah 27:6

And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.” Zechariah 14:8​

'The largest underground water source was discovered in Israel in 2011 during excavation work in the railways of Jerusalem."

All of this has nothing to do with the church. The church has the spiritual blessings, Israel, the nation, has the physical blessings. The two cannot be confused or mixed. The Bible is clear unless you have a personal reason for twisting it's meaning.

I didn’t ask you about Romans 9:11 I asked if the holy NATION in 1 Peter 2:9 is the church? Is it?

 

[kaylagrl]

1Pe_2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Is the holy NATION in 1 Peter 2:9 the church?

Who was Peters ministry to?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Who was Peters ministry to?

1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To the [a]pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:
Grace to you and peace be multiplied.

it was not written to the church it was written to the dispersed Jews, peter was trying to remind them of what God said about them.
the church was never said to be a nation. On this earth or the next.

 

[KJV1611]

Who was Peters ministry to?

He’s talking to those Jews who believe Jesus is precious.

1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,

 

[kaylagrl]

1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To the [a]pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:
Grace to you and peace be multiplied.

it was not written to the church it was written to the dispersed Jews, peter was trying to remind them of what God said about them.
the church was never said to be a nation. On this earth or the next.

Yes, thank you. That is exactly right. The church is the church, not a nation.

 

[KJV1611]

1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To the [a]pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, 2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:
Grace to you and peace be multiplied.

it was not written to the church it was written to the dispersed Jews, peter was trying to remind them of what God said about them.
the church was never said to be a nation. On this earth or the next.

I hope you’re not trying to say that 1 Peter doesn’t apply to all believers.

 

[kaylagrl]

He’s talking to those Jews,

Yes, the nation, the Jews, not the church.

 

[kaylagrl]

I hope you’re not trying to say that 1 Peter doesn’t apply to all believers.

EG said it well "
it was not written to the church it was written to the dispersed Jews, peter was trying to remind them of what God said about them.
the church was never said to be a nation. On this earth or the next.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes, the nation, the Jews, not the church.

We have to take what is said in context

i am a member of the royal family of God in North America.

i am not part of a nation

while much of what Peter says applies to us, we must take him in context, he is speaking to Jews,

 

[kaylagrl]

We have to take what is said in context

i am a member of the royal family of God in North America.

i am not part of a nation

while much of what Peter says applies to us, we must take him in context, he is speaking to Jews,

Yes, we are grafted in and receive spiritual benefits. But we are not a nation, we do not replace the Jews.

 

[posthuman]

Amen and amen

when you look to your righteous deeds as a means of final salvation, you miss the intricate details of the truth of Gods word

some people go to great lengths to avoid seeing the Scripture testify of Him

 

[KJV1611]

Yes, the nation, the Jews, not the church.

So you’re lumping the Jews that believe Jesus is precious in with those Jews who are disobedient and reject Jesus?

1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes, we are grafted in and receive spiritual benefits. But we are not a nation, we do not replace the Jews.

I am a child of abraham in that in him shall all the nations of the world be blessed. I am part of the blessed nations, not the one nation that part of a seperate part of Gods covenant with abraham

 

[KJV1611]

EG said it well "
it was not written to the church it was written to the dispersed Jews, peter was trying to remind them of what God said about them.
the church was never said to be a nation. On this earth or the next.

Thats like saying the book of Romans only applies to Romans. SMH