MGTOW Red Pill Bible Are woman capable of loving a man?

[GdaxBbb]

A recent Los Angeles Times piece titled "One group is responsible
for America’s culture of violence … It’s men," reported the following:

98% of the officers who have shot and killed civilians are male.
90% of those who commit homicide by any means are male.
80% of those arrested for all violent crimes—murder and non-negligent
manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault—are male.

98% of mass shooters in the US are men. Men are
much more willing to commit crimes than women.

Pew research determined that men remarry more often than women.

yes and? What does this have to do with married people and love? Ohh wait that’s right absolutely nothing.

 

[Tararose]

You might be missing the point people are making.

You brought up the statistics issue of women divorcing men - as evidence women are unloving.

What about say policemen chasing down criminals. Are the police the bad guys because they are the ones who react to the crime and take action?

Now. I like guys, I know lots of nice ones. But in these replies people are using generalisations simply to show yours up for what it is. Wrong.

Here is why your logic is flawed.

Many men are not loving towards women, wives partners whatever.

Many men are violent and controlling and many women divorce to get away from not only unloving, but abusive behaviour.

Many women in domestic abuse situations stick it out a long time hoping the man will change. Why? Because they love him.

As for marital unfaithfulness. Another cause of many divorces... It is only recently, in our feminism fuelled society that women have started fighting back and have now (sadly) begun to bridge the gap on the stats of men committing adultery.

Look at the stats Worldwide on single
Mums where the man walks out and leaves the mum and the kids to fend for themselves. You will find that is much higher than the woman doing the same to her husband and children.

Paul brought this whole issue up because for centuries women have been, still are in many places, treated by fathers and spouses as possessions. Paul taught people what they didn’t know or where not doing well. Husbands love your wives. (Why do they need to be told if it is so instinctively natural for men as you say? He is more likely saying - Do it despite how unnecessarily you have been raised to believe it is.)

And. women. Honour your husbands - (Would that not need to be taught because women had good reason to be bitter? Was Paul not saying in reality - do if although they May struggle to love you as they aught. Although for centuries women have been second rate in mens eyes and even treated as badly as slaves in many cases.)

Common-sense would say is not hard to honour a kind and loving man. It would also say look at why they are divorcing men... assuming they must be the sinner is like assuming all cops are bad because they arrest criminals.

Sure women are to blame - probably as often as men are - for the downfall of marriages. But none of us have anything like true pure love, not unless we have an abundant supply of the fruit of the Holy Spirit.

All men and women in the fall have deceitful hearts that love and prioritise themselves and sin, over others and holiness. But all men and women do still have instinctively a lower level love for family and friends that is flawed because of sin, but still there in a measure.

Trust in no man. Only trust in God. Neither sex has the monopoly on true love, but both can be equally as loving with His Spirit at work in them.

Please - Rethink your logic.

 

[posthuman]

Ironic that you state you want biblical and scientific responses despite that missing in your own post. And even go as far as using an experience in your post while saying you don't want answers focused on experience.
You've made numerous claims yet did not provide a single shred of evidence.
The whole premise seems to be "men are into relationships to give and out of pure motives, women are all simply selfish users".
This post, I just can't take it seriously.

the '70% of divorces are initiated by the wife' claim is a figure that's supported by studies; it's not pulled out of thin air.
here's one:
https://www.divorcemag.com/blog/why-do-women-initiate-divorce-more-than-men

why is this? -- valid question IMO.

 

[Tararose]

To help improve the logic reasoning, here are some stats you can add to your 70% women divorcees. ...

Reasons for divorce included-
25% for domestic abuse
55% for infidelity

It does not point to women being unloving as a main reason here. Zero evidence for that assumption if we are looking at stats.

Hope this helps.

(Note that these reasons cross over with other reasons, in the stats as explained at the bottom of the image.)
https://www.wf-lawyers.com/divorce-statistics-and-facts/

 

[tourist]

I think you might be jaded. You should probably see a pastor. Tell him how you're feeling. She really crushed you. Just don't reach for a bottle, it will make things a billion times worse.

There are times that I wouldn't mind reaching for the bottle but stopped drinking in 1992. Probably one of my better decisions.

I don't feel jaded but perhaps, at times faded whatever that means.

For the record though I find your counsel to be spiritually sound and appreciate your insightful posts very much. I consider you to be one of the good guys and that is probably the highest compliment that I can give. Most impressive.

 

[Yahshua]

Considering Christ and the church. Interesting point. I've been noticing over the years how people are quick to identify men as Christ and women as church. It's always somehow omitted that men also are part of the Bride. God's royal consort does not consist of women only. There are multiple examples of God addressing the whole congregation as a woman breaking wedlock, or as a beautiful bride, both men and women are lumped together and treated as "she". I think we need to better separate what is God and what is man, to assess this analogy more clearly.

Amen. I believe everything the Almighty has naturally made, "speaks", as in...


Romans 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:


We are told that in the beginning, He made them male and female, "in the image of God". So both energies/natures display a critical aspect of the Father's nature, and together we see the complete dynamic of love expressed.

The man's body was designed to give seed, while the woman's body was designed to receive seed, prophesying the truth that we, the church/body are to receive the seed of our husbandman, and with it produce fruit and multiply.


Luke 8:11
Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God

John 15:8
This is to My Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, proving yourselves to be My disciples.


The giving of the husbandman's seed is the ultimate expression of His love for her. And to accept and then produce fruit from that seed is the ultimate expression of the bride's love for him.

In this regard, I don't see anything wrong with a woman/wife loving a man/husband differently than he loves her (if that's what is determined) because she - on an individual level - prophesies the church and what we're expected to do to show true love to Him: receive Christ in us and reproduce Christ in the world. At the same time, scripture is clear that the Church could never do what Christ did to give us that life. So wouldn't it be perverting the sign in a way to expect a woman/wife to love in all the exact ways a man/husband loves her? It's an interesting thought to explore..


But indeed scripture says to submit to one another.


Ephesians 5:21-33
21Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.

22 Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, His body, of which He is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her 26to sanctify her, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27and to present her to Himself as a glorious church, without stain or wrinkle or any such blemish, but holy and blameless.

28In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29Indeed, no one ever hated his own body, but he nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church. 30For we are members of His body.

31“For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.” 32This mystery is profound, but I am speaking about Christ and the church. 33Nevertheless, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

 

[SoulWeaver]

Paul brought this whole issue up because for centuries women have been, still are in many places, treated by fathers and spouses as possessions. Paul taught people what they didn’t know or where not doing well. Husbands love your wives. (Why do they need to be told if it is so instinctively natural for men as you say? He is more likely saying - Do it despite how unnecessarily you have been raised to believe it is.)

And. women. Honour your husbands - (Would that not need to be taught because women had good reason to be bitter? Was Paul not saying in reality - do if although they May struggle to love you as they aught. Although for centuries women have been second rate in mens eyes and even treated as badly as slaves in many cases.)

Great post. I'd like to highlight this point about Paul bringing up "husbands love your wives".

Then he proceeds to say, "like your body", and "nobody HATES their own body". Does this not strike anyone as strange?
Why would he even say that? Why would husbands hate their wives? I think there were wife beaters among them, which is why Paul tells them you should treat her body like yours.

 

[Tararose]

Great post. I'd like to highlight this point about Paul bringing up "husbands love your wives".

Then he proceeds to say, "like your body", and "nobody HATES their own body". Does this not strike anyone as strange?
Why would he even say that? Why would husbands hate their wives? I think there were wife beaters among them, which is why Paul tells them you should treat her body like yours.

EXACTLY! Perfect logic. Thanks

 

[Adstar]

'Red Pill' is generally used to represent "the desire to know the [real] truth"
'Blue Pill' is generally used to represent "the desire to not have to deal with the [real] truth"

Yes this was inspired by the sci-fi movie The Matrix.. Where a character is living a fake life in a simulation world and is offered a choice between a red pill and a blue pill to either find out what is really happening or stay in the fake world simulation for the rest of His life..

 

[Duskey]

50% of you will be divorced, 80% of those divorces will be initiated by WOMAN.

I have no dog in this fight but your numbers suggest that only 40% of all women initiate divorce. Therefore it can be surmised that 60% of all women are capable of loving their man.

 

[Scribe]

Oblivious denial of reality quite funny to read. Can’t find any actual arguments so let’s attack the person because I’m such a holier than thou Pharisee.

50% of you will be divorced, 80% of those divorces will be initiated by WOMAN.

Don’t worry though man / woman have the same capacity of love obviously in bizarro world.

So many possible interpretations. Could it mean that porn is one of the problems? So the man that wants to stick it out is rejected on the grounds of unfaithfulness, or biblical grounds for divorce, in which case it is not correct to say that the woman is not capable of love because she initiates the divorce it simply means that the man is in denial about equating porn addiction with adultery.

 

[Scribe]

Yes this was inspired by the sci-fi movie The Matrix.. Where a character is living a fake life in a simulation world and is offered a choice between a red pill and a blue pill to either find out what is really happening or stay in the fake world simulation for the rest of His life..

So conspiracy theorists would be those who take blue pills?

 

[kaylagrl]

Nice troll the topic is can woman love husbands men, not children.

No, the topic has become the opinions of one of the most immature people I have ever come across, and I've met a lot of people. What was your parents marriage like? What made you form such a silly POV?

 

[kaylagrl]

A wake up call, yes perhaps...or merely an answer and guidance?

His thread's title is incendiary because women who read it know of a truth within themselves that they are indeed capable...and the men who have women who love them know it as well.

...so the very notion that women can't love a man seems ridiculous to all who've experienced it, thus many take offense at it (and all have a right to feel that way btw)...and defenses go up.

...but as I read, it seems his deeper issue/question is, "generally, why don't women love men in the same ways that men love women?" Or "can women express love to men the same ways men generally express love to women? Is it even possible?"

...and I'm sure calling the love of a man "true(r) love" (vs a woman's love) definitely didn't help things either...but I think he's getting this phrase...maybe...perhaps...from the lessons given in scripture where "there's no greater love that one who gives their life..." and "husbands are to love their wives as Christ loves the church and gave his life for her"...self-sacrifice...but this instruction wasn't given in scripture to women to lay down their lives for their man.

...then you have the corruption of having relationships in this fallen world, that even many Christians fall victim to where people just take, take, take...

So the thread quickly devolved, defenses went up, and blahh..

But it doesn't feel to me like it was the OP's intention to cause conflict or to be provocative. Just going by my spirit. That's why I feel this probably shouldn't be a public discussion for sensitivity sake.

The role for a man was protection of the woman as the weaker sex. The church is the Bride, Jesus gave His life for, men give their life for their bride. Position of being the head, the lead. Has nothing to do with a womans ability to love or dedication to her husband. God has given that calling to men, not women.

 

[kaylagrl]

50% of you will be divorced, 80% of those divorces will be initiated by WOMAN.

Don’t worry though man / woman have the same capacity of love obviously in bizarro world.

So using actual studies from actual experts here are the top three reasons for divorce:

1. Infidelity

2. Domestic violence

3. Substance abuse

In more detail :

59.6% Cited infidelity/ affairs and said it was the final straw.

34.6% Cited substance abuse

23.5% Cited domestic abuse but doubtless the actual number is much higher

So we see it had nothing to do with a womans ability to love her spouse. Quite easily debunked, by experts and actual studies.

 

[kaylagrl]

the '70% of divorces are initiated by the wife' claim is a figure that's supported by studies; it's not pulled out of thin air.
here's one:
https://www.divorcemag.com/blog/why-do-women-initiate-divorce-more-than-men

why is this? -- valid question IMO.

I think there are several reasons for it. A lot of abuse in marriage, domestic, substance, top reasons given. Porn is more accessible than ever before, making expectations in intimacy very different than what our parents had. The church has declined and very few couples have pre- marital counseling. Therefore essentials like communication, how to argue fairly, how to fulfill your role in the marriage are all being missed.Then once there is a marriage problem, who do you go to for help? Very few churches are any help in that area. My sister is in an emotionally and mentally abusive marriage. When they went to their pastor for help he told them to "fight naked then you'll no longer be angry with each other." While this may be a cute response, my BIL was bashing holes in the wall, busting phones and computers and at one point threw all of her clothes in the yard and told her to get the F out of the house. 20 yrs later she's still with him, against my advice. Her reason for staying? She loves him. And I believe her. No one would take the abuse my sister has taken for that long if she didn't genuinely love him. So it seems women are quite capable of love, very deep love, but we do have our limits. Don't pee on us and tell us it's raining (not you) Women know many times in their heart of hearts what's going on, and they hold on for as long as they can. Everyone has a breaking point. None of this means some woman can't have an affair, be unloving or abusive of course. But what the OP is trying to assert is utter nonsense. My own sister is proof.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

Oblivious denial of reality quite funny to read. Can’t find any actual arguments so let’s attack the person because I’m such a holier than thou Pharisee.

50% of you will be divorced, 80% of those divorces will be initiated by WOMAN.

Don’t worry though man / woman have the same capacity of love obviously in bizarro world.

After 25 years of marriage to my loving wife, I think my marriage is quite safe and sound.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

So using actual studies from actual experts here are the top three reasons for divorce:

1. Infidelity

2. Domestic violence

3. Substance abuse

In more detail :

59.6% Cited infidelity/ affairs and said it was the final straw.

34.6% Cited substance abuse

23.5% Cited domestic abuse but doubtless the actual number is much higher

So we see it had nothing to do with a womans ability to love her spouse. Quite easily debunked, by experts and actual studies.

Yes most divorce is initiated by women , but for very good reason. These adult boys do not know what it means to be a man, and care for a wife properly.
The Bible puts the blame squarely on the man and infact says that aam does violence to the one he is meant to protect. These adult boy children are not men but rather spoiled brats and impetuous adolescents.

 

[kaylagrl]

Yes most divorce is initiated by women , but for very good reason. These adult boys do not know what it means to be a man, and care for a wife properly.
The Bible puts the blame squarely on the man and infact says that aam does violence to the one he is meant to protect. These adult boy children are not men but rather spoiled brats and impetuous adolescents.

Totally agree.Very hard now dads with so many fathers not in the home. Certainly baggage brought from family issues and the marriage you've seen your parents mirror would factor in also. But I believe you are dead on, unfortunately.

 

[Magenta]

After 25 years of marriage to my loving wife, I think my marriage is quite safe and sound.

That is wonderful! Congratulations to you and your loving wife