How many beleive we are in the Tribulation period now and why
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The problem with this, is that Jesus is not mentioned in Daniel 9:27 which defines that las seven years:
"[He] will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ h In the middle of the ‘seven’ [he] will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple [he] will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.”
The "He" that is mentioned 3 time in Daniel 9:27 is not referring to Christ. In order to find out who the "He" is, we must look back at the last person mentioned in the previous scripture: "The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.
Therefore, the "He" in the scripture is identified as the ruler of the people. who will cause the daily sacrifices to cease and is the same "He" who will set up the abomination in the temple. Christ is crucified at the end of the 69 seven year periods and is therefore dead before the seventieth seven even begins.
The reference to "until the end that is decreed is poured out on him,” is referring to his destruction of being thrown into the lake of fire when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age.
"But the beast (the "He" of Daniel 9:27) was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.
"[He] will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ h In the middle of the ‘seven’ [he] will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple [he] will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.”
The "He" that is mentioned 3 time in Daniel 9:27 is not referring to Christ. In order to find out who the "He" is, we must look back at the last person mentioned in the previous scripture: "The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.
Therefore, the "He" in the scripture is identified as the ruler of the people. who will cause the daily sacrifices to cease and is the same "He" who will set up the abomination in the temple. Christ is crucified at the end of the 69 seven year periods and is therefore dead before the seventieth seven even begins.
The reference to "until the end that is decreed is poured out on him,” is referring to his destruction of being thrown into the lake of fire when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age.
"But the beast (the "He" of Daniel 9:27) was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.
Gabriel said 70 weeks.
שָׁבוּעַ shâbûwaʿ"week"="heptad" (a unit of 7). But the question is: A unit of 7...what? days? weeks? months? years?
Well...Moses gives us some insight in Gen 29:26-28:
"But Laban said, “It is not the practice in our place to marry off the younger before the firstborn.
"Complete the week of this one, and we will give you the other also for the service which you shall serve with me
for another seven years.” Jacob did so and completed her week, and he gave him his daughter Rachel as his wife."
Someone might object to this meaning of the word שָׁבוּעַ shâbûwa. But here's where it becomes clear that "7 years" IS the meaning of each "week" in Daniel 9:24-27:
69 x (7 years) = 483 years = 173,880 days.
We know that this timeline began on March 14, 445 BC (The "issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem" by King Artaxerxes) Nehemiah 2:1-8.
Exactly 173,880 days after that decree, Jesus came to Jerusalem riding on a donkey, The Triumphal Entry....which fits perfectly with Gabriel's prophesy because Jesus was then "cut off" (killed/crucified). In His Triumphal Entry, Christ, in fulfillment of Zechariah 9:9, officially presented Himself to the nation of Israel as the Messiah. He was evidently familiar with Daniel’s prophecy when on that occasion He said, “If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace—but now it is hidden from your eyes” (Luke 19:42).
This demonstrates that the weeks of Daniel's prophesy are units of 7 years; the 70th week will be a 7-year period just as the other 69 were.
To clarify, the final week of Daniel is called many things. It's called the "tribulation", "time of distress", "Jacob's trouble", "the day of the Lord", etc. But the second half of that period (the last 3 1/2 years), specifically, is called "the Great tribulation".
שָׁבוּעַ shâbûwaʿ"week"="heptad" (a unit of 7). But the question is: A unit of 7...what? days? weeks? months? years?
Well...Moses gives us some insight in Gen 29:26-28:
"But Laban said, “It is not the practice in our place to marry off the younger before the firstborn.
"Complete the week of this one, and we will give you the other also for the service which you shall serve with me
for another seven years.” Jacob did so and completed her week, and he gave him his daughter Rachel as his wife."
Someone might object to this meaning of the word שָׁבוּעַ shâbûwa. But here's where it becomes clear that "7 years" IS the meaning of each "week" in Daniel 9:24-27:
69 x (7 years) = 483 years = 173,880 days.
We know that this timeline began on March 14, 445 BC (The "issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem" by King Artaxerxes) Nehemiah 2:1-8.
Exactly 173,880 days after that decree, Jesus came to Jerusalem riding on a donkey, The Triumphal Entry....which fits perfectly with Gabriel's prophesy because Jesus was then "cut off" (killed/crucified). In His Triumphal Entry, Christ, in fulfillment of Zechariah 9:9, officially presented Himself to the nation of Israel as the Messiah. He was evidently familiar with Daniel’s prophecy when on that occasion He said, “If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace—but now it is hidden from your eyes” (Luke 19:42).
This demonstrates that the weeks of Daniel's prophesy are units of 7 years; the 70th week will be a 7-year period just as the other 69 were.
To clarify, the final week of Daniel is called many things. It's called the "tribulation", "time of distress", "Jacob's trouble", "the day of the Lord", etc. But the second half of that period (the last 3 1/2 years), specifically, is called "the Great tribulation".
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If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written
(Four hundred and ninety years), simple
Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.
Daniel 6:1KJV
It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;
Daniel 8:14KJV
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
Daniel 12:11KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
(Four hundred and ninety years), simple
Daniel 6:1KJV
It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;
Daniel 8:14KJV
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
Daniel 12:11KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
2Th2 (misunderstood by many) is Paul saying to the Thessalonians (basically):
--[v.1, BOTH PARTS] speaks of the noun-event of "our episynagoges UNTO HIM" (IN THE AIR; i.e. our Rapture event)
--[v.2] don't let anyone convince you [you Thessalonians] that "the Day of the Lord IS PRESENT [PERFECT INDICATIVE]"
--[v.3 explains WHY] "that day [from VERSE 2!] will not be present if not shall have come THE DEPARTURE *FIRST* [the noun-event from VERSE 1!] *AND* the man of sin BE REVEALED..." (and he is REVEALED at the START of the 7-yr period... not at its MIDDLE [2Th2:4]... nor at its END [2Th2:8b]--Corresponding to a number of other passages showing this SAME THING at THIS SAME point-in-time, in the chronology
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[he had already acknowledged in 1Th5:2-3 that they "KNOW PERFECTLY" that "the DOTL" (TIME-PERIOD) ARRIVES like a thief "IN THE NIGHT" (see also Dan7:7, Gen46:2, etc) and like the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" of MANY MORE that are slated to unfold upon the earth DURING THAT "time-period" (DOTL earthly-located time-period involving JUDGMENTs... followed by BLESSINGs)]
--[v.1, BOTH PARTS] speaks of the noun-event of "our episynagoges UNTO HIM" (IN THE AIR; i.e. our Rapture event)
--[v.2] don't let anyone convince you [you Thessalonians] that "the Day of the Lord IS PRESENT [PERFECT INDICATIVE]"
--[v.3 explains WHY] "that day [from VERSE 2!] will not be present if not shall have come THE DEPARTURE *FIRST* [the noun-event from VERSE 1!] *AND* the man of sin BE REVEALED..." (and he is REVEALED at the START of the 7-yr period... not at its MIDDLE [2Th2:4]... nor at its END [2Th2:8b]--Corresponding to a number of other passages showing this SAME THING at THIS SAME point-in-time, in the chronology
)[he had already acknowledged in 1Th5:2-3 that they "KNOW PERFECTLY" that "the DOTL" (TIME-PERIOD) ARRIVES like a thief "IN THE NIGHT" (see also Dan7:7, Gen46:2, etc) and like the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" of MANY MORE that are slated to unfold upon the earth DURING THAT "time-period" (DOTL earthly-located time-period involving JUDGMENTs... followed by BLESSINGs)]
If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written
(Four hundred and ninety years), simple
Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.
(Four hundred and ninety years), simple
["FOR ONE WEEK (7 yrs)" is one of the segments--and is not to be separated (apart from itself); it correlates PRECISELY with OTHER *related* passages]
2Th2 (misunderstood by many) is Paul saying to the Thessalonians (basically):
--[v.1, BOTH PARTS] speaks of the noun-event of "our episynagoges UNTO HIM" (IN THE AIR; i.e. our Rapture event)
--[v.2] don't let anyone convince you [you Thessalonians] that "the Day of the Lord IS PRESENT [PERFECT INDICATIVE]"
--[v.3 explains WHY] "that day [from VERSE 2!] will not be present if not shall have come THE DEPARTURE *FIRST* [the noun-event from VERSE 1!] *AND* the man of sin BE REVEALED..." (and he is REVEALED at the START of the 7-yr period... not at its MIDDLE [2Th2:4]... nor at its END [2Th2:8b]--Corresponding to a number of other passages showing this SAME THING at THIS SAME point-in-time, in the chronology )
[he had already acknowledged in 1Th5:2-3 that they "KNOW PERFECTLY" that "the DOTL" (TIME-PERIOD) ARRIVES like a thief "IN THE NIGHT" (see also Dan7:7, Gen46:2, etc) and like the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" of MANY MORE that are slated to unfold upon the earth DURING THAT "time-period" (DOTL earthly-located time-period involving JUDGMENTs... followed by BLESSINGs)]
--[v.1, BOTH PARTS] speaks of the noun-event of "our episynagoges UNTO HIM" (IN THE AIR; i.e. our Rapture event)
--[v.2] don't let anyone convince you [you Thessalonians] that "the Day of the Lord IS PRESENT [PERFECT INDICATIVE]"
--[v.3 explains WHY] "that day [from VERSE 2!] will not be present if not shall have come THE DEPARTURE *FIRST* [the noun-event from VERSE 1!] *AND* the man of sin BE REVEALED..." (and he is REVEALED at the START of the 7-yr period... not at its MIDDLE [2Th2:4]... nor at its END [2Th2:8b]--Corresponding to a number of other passages showing this SAME THING at THIS SAME point-in-time, in the chronology
)[he had already acknowledged in 1Th5:2-3 that they "KNOW PERFECTLY" that "the DOTL" (TIME-PERIOD) ARRIVES like a thief "IN THE NIGHT" (see also Dan7:7, Gen46:2, etc) and like the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" of MANY MORE that are slated to unfold upon the earth DURING THAT "time-period" (DOTL earthly-located time-period involving JUDGMENTs... followed by BLESSINGs)]
... That "time-period" is NOT YET IN EXISTENCE (to unfold upon the earth) because of the TWO things Paul said must be in evidence [or, to have occurred], for it to be so [/ for it to be in existence], (and OF those TWO things) ONE THING he says must happen "FIRST" (before that time-period can be in existence to unfold upon the earth)... and CLEARLY neither of them are [/have yet occurred]!
[one should grasp what point Paul was conveying in v.2... "...[purporting] that the Day of the Lord IS PRESENT [PERFECT INDICATIVE]"... What was he saying here?? He was not speaking of "a singular 24-hr day," for one thing...
Nor was he referring to our Rapture event in this phrase... So what was it?? Why was he writing them a letter to say this??]
And 3 1/2 years is exactly half of 7 years. So what is your problem? There will be 3 1/2 years of Tribulation, followed by 3 1/2 years of the Great Tribulation (desolations).
The COVID fear-mongering and promotion of bogus vaccines is a prelude to the promotion of the Mark of the Beast. The same psychological manipulation will be there, accompanied by lying wonders and miracles, to convince people that the Antichrist must be the the expected *Messiah* who only has everyone's well-being at heart. Just as we are seeing deception on an unprecedented scale right now, there will be even greater deception.
The COVID fear-mongering and promotion of bogus vaccines is a prelude to the promotion of the Mark of the Beast. The same psychological manipulation will be there, accompanied by lying wonders and miracles, to convince people that the Antichrist must be the the expected *Messiah* who only has everyone's well-being at heart. Just as we are seeing deception on an unprecedented scale right now, there will be even greater deception.
Hi Ahwatukee,
OK. I'll share my perspective since you asked but it's not with a desire to argue or to try to convince you anymore since I know we differ in eschatology. And personally, with time as short as we agree it is, I think we're all about to get major confirmation on whoever's view is right pretty soon anyhow.
When we look back at the last 2000 years of human history there's a temptation to minimize just how bad things actually were because (a) we're reading events through the filter of a lifeless history book or online articles which can't capture the pain, terror, and anxiety people suffered through daily...and (b) we think because we can imagine far worse than what has happened we reason that things couldn't have been that bad for them, right? So there's a bit of a disconnect.
But terrible things happened. The entire world....every major nation...was at war...TWICE! We were literally on the brink of world destruction. And many say WW2 was a continuation of The Great War, with WW2 punctuated by the complete annihilation of two bustling Japanese cities in seconds. This terrified the entire world (including the USA) so much that nations covenanted never to use such destructive power irresponsibly. Everyone feared the A-bomb. Imagine if America continued to use them...Imagine if Russia followed suit. There would be no flesh here. And this was as recent as 1945, only a generation ago.
1) Is the great tribulation for the world...or is it for Israel?
Matthew 24:20-22
Pray that your flight will not occur in the winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again. 22 If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short
Luke 21:22-24
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Daniel 12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
So the GT is a punishment for the Jews, not the world, but if it wasn't ended no flesh would've been saved. Gentiles would've destroyed themselves and the world.
2) Are the trumpets and bowls part of the great tribulation...or is the GT separate from them?
As shown above, Daniel 12:1 is another passage describing the great tribulation. After it's described, one of the angels asks the "man in linen" how long until this event ends. Here's what He says...
Daniel 12:7
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth forever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
Again, the angel is told:
- When the holy people are completely scattered, that's the end of the great tribulation
- This scattering will take time, times, and half time to complete.
- And the "man in linen", standing on the waters, raising his hands and swearing to heaven knew this timeframe.
We can match "the scattering" to what the Messiah said in Luke 21 about His people:
Luke 21:22-24
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
So the people would be scattered into ALL NATIONS during this GT. Next, we can match this "scattering into the nations" with what history documents as the diaspora of the Jews where indeed they were eventually scattered to all nations through persecution and exile after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.
Now, let's match the man in linen "standing on water", "raising hands" and "swearing to heaven" with the angel in Revelation 10:
Revelation 10-5-6
And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, 6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
...So this Person (who I believe is the Messiah, because the linen garments are High Priest garments) told Daniel it would take some time to scatter the people...but in Revelation 10 - after the events of the 6th trumpet - this Person (who I believe is the Messiah, because only he has the scroll that's now opened after breaking the seals) performs the same exact actions like in Daniel 12 but says "time no longer" (i.e. "no more time"). In other words, after the 6th trumpet but before the 7th, it was time for the great tribulation upon the Jews.
...But again we now know that this "great tribulation" was to end with the scattering of the Jews into all nations (as Daniel was told), which already happened in history...so that means the 6th trumpet already sounded and the GT was much LONGER than 3.5 years or 7 years. More like 1260 years.
OK. I'll share my perspective since you asked but it's not with a desire to argue or to try to convince you anymore since I know we differ in eschatology. And personally, with time as short as we agree it is, I think we're all about to get major confirmation on whoever's view is right pretty soon anyhow.
When we look back at the last 2000 years of human history there's a temptation to minimize just how bad things actually were because (a) we're reading events through the filter of a lifeless history book or online articles which can't capture the pain, terror, and anxiety people suffered through daily...and (b) we think because we can imagine far worse than what has happened we reason that things couldn't have been that bad for them, right? So there's a bit of a disconnect.
But terrible things happened. The entire world....every major nation...was at war...TWICE! We were literally on the brink of world destruction. And many say WW2 was a continuation of The Great War, with WW2 punctuated by the complete annihilation of two bustling Japanese cities in seconds. This terrified the entire world (including the USA) so much that nations covenanted never to use such destructive power irresponsibly. Everyone feared the A-bomb. Imagine if America continued to use them...Imagine if Russia followed suit. There would be no flesh here. And this was as recent as 1945, only a generation ago.
1) Is the great tribulation for the world...or is it for Israel?
Matthew 24:20-22
Pray that your flight will not occur in the winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again. 22 If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short
Luke 21:22-24
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Daniel 12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
So the GT is a punishment for the Jews, not the world, but if it wasn't ended no flesh would've been saved. Gentiles would've destroyed themselves and the world.
2) Are the trumpets and bowls part of the great tribulation...or is the GT separate from them?
As shown above, Daniel 12:1 is another passage describing the great tribulation. After it's described, one of the angels asks the "man in linen" how long until this event ends. Here's what He says...
Daniel 12:7
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth forever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
Again, the angel is told:
- When the holy people are completely scattered, that's the end of the great tribulation
- This scattering will take time, times, and half time to complete.
- And the "man in linen", standing on the waters, raising his hands and swearing to heaven knew this timeframe.
We can match "the scattering" to what the Messiah said in Luke 21 about His people:
Luke 21:22-24
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
So the people would be scattered into ALL NATIONS during this GT. Next, we can match this "scattering into the nations" with what history documents as the diaspora of the Jews where indeed they were eventually scattered to all nations through persecution and exile after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.
Now, let's match the man in linen "standing on water", "raising hands" and "swearing to heaven" with the angel in Revelation 10:
Revelation 10-5-6
And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, 6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
...So this Person (who I believe is the Messiah, because the linen garments are High Priest garments) told Daniel it would take some time to scatter the people...but in Revelation 10 - after the events of the 6th trumpet - this Person (who I believe is the Messiah, because only he has the scroll that's now opened after breaking the seals) performs the same exact actions like in Daniel 12 but says "time no longer" (i.e. "no more time"). In other words, after the 6th trumpet but before the 7th, it was time for the great tribulation upon the Jews.
...But again we now know that this "great tribulation" was to end with the scattering of the Jews into all nations (as Daniel was told), which already happened in history...so that means the 6th trumpet already sounded and the GT was much LONGER than 3.5 years or 7 years. More like 1260 years.
3) To be fair, please consider this about the trumpets: are these trumpets sounded on earth or in heaven?
For example, we know that the Messiah is ministering as High Priest in the heavenly tabernacle but we're not there to see or hear this happening daily. We also know that the four living creatures are proclaiming "Holy, holy, holy" daily but again we're not in heaven so we can't hear this. So if the trumpets are sounded in heaven by angels, why should anyone on earth hear any trumpets?
The only trumpet that we may hear on earth is the last trump and that's because it's during the resurrection/transformation event when the Master descends with a shout to gather all believers from earth to him.
4) I know you don't agree with the Historicist's view but let me just share stark historic similarities with the locust event. Revelation says:
a) Star falls from heaven
- The Islamic Kaaba stone is a meteorite (i.e. fallen star)
b) Opens abyss, and the locust swarm to hurt men without seal; they also don't harm grass
- Islamic Arabs (Saracens) invade the Roman Empire
- Only tribes of Israel are sealed in Chapter 7. The Saracens make peace with Hebrews for a regular financial tribute
- Saracens protected the land as sacred
c) Locust have golden crowns; hair like women; faces of men
- Saracens wore golden turbans
- Had long flowing hair like women
- Wore beards
D) Locust had teeth like lions; chest of iron; tails of scorpions
- Wore chainmail breastplates
- Famous for attacking from bow&arrow on horseback (shooting while leaning on the back of the horse as it galloped)
E) Torment the "unsealed" for 5 months
- The Islamic Arabs warred with Papal Rome for 150 years
F) Angel of Abyss, The Destroyer, is their leader
- Allah, Islam's god, is who the Saracens worshipped
For example, we know that the Messiah is ministering as High Priest in the heavenly tabernacle but we're not there to see or hear this happening daily. We also know that the four living creatures are proclaiming "Holy, holy, holy" daily but again we're not in heaven so we can't hear this. So if the trumpets are sounded in heaven by angels, why should anyone on earth hear any trumpets?
The only trumpet that we may hear on earth is the last trump and that's because it's during the resurrection/transformation event when the Master descends with a shout to gather all believers from earth to him.
4) I know you don't agree with the Historicist's view but let me just share stark historic similarities with the locust event. Revelation says:
a) Star falls from heaven
- The Islamic Kaaba stone is a meteorite (i.e. fallen star)
b) Opens abyss, and the locust swarm to hurt men without seal; they also don't harm grass
- Islamic Arabs (Saracens) invade the Roman Empire
- Only tribes of Israel are sealed in Chapter 7. The Saracens make peace with Hebrews for a regular financial tribute
- Saracens protected the land as sacred
c) Locust have golden crowns; hair like women; faces of men
- Saracens wore golden turbans
- Had long flowing hair like women
- Wore beards
D) Locust had teeth like lions; chest of iron; tails of scorpions
- Wore chainmail breastplates
- Famous for attacking from bow&arrow on horseback (shooting while leaning on the back of the horse as it galloped)
E) Torment the "unsealed" for 5 months
- The Islamic Arabs warred with Papal Rome for 150 years
F) Angel of Abyss, The Destroyer, is their leader
- Allah, Islam's god, is who the Saracens worshipped
Where does it say that the Great Tribulation would last until the "time of the gentiles is fulfilled" and started in AD70?Cant find that in Luke at all!
Also, lets not pretend like Jews are going thru some terrible persecution now, jews are running the banks, they own all the media corporations, they got all the money. So yeah, they are the ones running the whole of the western media. They ballin. Where is the persecution?
They DID go thru some terrible persecution during the HOLOCAUST yes, but today? no.
Also, lets not pretend like Jews are going thru some terrible persecution now, jews are running the banks, they own all the media corporations, they got all the money. So yeah, they are the ones running the whole of the western media. They ballin. Where is the persecution?
They DID go thru some terrible persecution during the HOLOCAUST yes, but today? no.