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You don't read too good.
1 "Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise. And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued. 2 Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt."
What more can I say? How much more clearer can it be made? You want to interpret on the basis of verse 2 by itself; that's an invalid approach.
1 "Now at that time Michael, the great prince who stands guard over the sons of your people, will arise. And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued. 2 Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt."
What more can I say? How much more clearer can it be made? You want to interpret on the basis of verse 2 by itself; that's an invalid approach.
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Your response is disappointing. You call "stupidity" what you have fostered by arguing over slightly-differing wordings. Instead of stating plainly what your issue is, you have jabbed and sparred, but now that I have responded with the same tone you used, and with a refutation of your position, you bug out.
Well, then, tuck your tail between your legs and run away.
Well, then, tuck your tail between your legs and run away.
You see it that way because you fail to put the verse in proper context. Likely due to your prejudice, which blinds you to the FACT that "these" in the NASB pertains to those who belong to God, the others away to eternal condemnation, same as KJV. Open your eyes, man. And stop inserting words that are not there, to try to prove your non-existent point.
I don't have any prejudice, I don't care which way the resurrection goes. I didn't even notice there was a difference between the KJV and the NASB until I was going to post a verse from the NASB that might make it easier to understand and that's when I saw the two were different.
I don't know where you keep coming up with me inserting words.
I don't know where you keep coming up with me inserting words.
Oh, really? You insisted on "all" multiple times and I pointed the fact out to you that the word is simply not there. Blind blind blind.
And you keep insisting on all when the "these" is PLAINLY referring to those who belong to God. NOT ALL.
You ignore context and insert words and then say it is those who read other translations who have problems understanding.
Your blinders seem cemented in place. <- I am sorry to say that
And you keep insisting on all when the "these" is PLAINLY referring to those who belong to God. NOT ALL.
You ignore context and insert words and then say it is those who read other translations who have problems understanding.
Your blinders seem cemented in place. <- I am sorry to say that
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We are NOT discussing those who were not raised. Red herring alert.
You are insisting that in the NASB, all who are raised are all to eternal life, when the NASB does not say that. AT ALL.
How many times need you be informed that the "these" who are raised to eternal life belong to God?
The text plainly states the others are raised to eternal condemnation, but you keep denying it.
You are insisting that in the NASB, all who are raised are all to eternal life, when the NASB does not say that. AT ALL.
How many times need you be informed that the "these" who are raised to eternal life belong to God?
The text plainly states the others are raised to eternal condemnation, but you keep denying it.
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I'm sorry if I offended you, I'll let it go at that
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You have not offended me, you know I have a lot of respect for how you conduct yourself with all the criticism you take from others. It just baffles me that you so easily forget insisting the text says all when it does not, and not being able to see the point about who the "these" that are raised to eternal life are. It is plain as day to me; I do not even read the NASB You brought it into the convo.
You brought it into the convo.
Daniel 12:1-2
English Standard Version
The Time of the End
12 “At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time. But at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
NASB Version Information
"The NASB does not attempt to interpret Scripture through translation. Instead, the NASB adheres to the principles of a formal equivalence translation. This is the most exacting and demanding method of translation, striving for the most readable word-for-word translation that is both accurate and clear. This method more closely follows the word and sentence patterns of the biblical authors in order to enable the reader to study Scripture in its most literal format and to experience the individual personalities of those who penned the original manuscripts."
"The NASB does not attempt to interpret Scripture through translation. Instead, the NASB adheres to the principles of a formal equivalence translation. This is the most exacting and demanding method of translation, striving for the most readable word-for-word translation that is both accurate and clear. This method more closely follows the word and sentence patterns of the biblical authors in order to enable the reader to study Scripture in its most literal format and to experience the individual personalities of those who penned the original manuscripts."
I guess you guys don't agree that verse one is the resurrection of Christ. That was the time when Christ paid for our sins and the OT saints were raised with Christ, Daniel's people were delivered.
When that happened, many of those who slept in the earth were raised, the good ones went to heaven and the bad ones to everlasting contempt. We're told the exact same story in Matthew.
Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
When that happened, many of those who slept in the earth were raised, the good ones went to heaven and the bad ones to everlasting contempt. We're told the exact same story in Matthew.
Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.