The children of Abraham

Blik · Dec 13, 2020

Now we are getting into the sticky questions of why the Lord told the Israelites not to mix fabrics, to cut foreskin, to never eat an animal that ate garbage. Was it is teach them about the lord or just rules for only them? I think these were symbols of flesh they could understand as an explanation to them of the spiritual law. Don't "eat" garbage, as in feeding the mind. Don't mix what God gave them, don't mix it with pagan ideas. Mark that you Separate yourself from pagans, show that you are different and belong to the Lord. It wasn't for Israel only, it was to help them understand the Lord. Now that understanding is through the holy spirit.

Blik · Dec 13, 2020

Dino246 said:

Thank you so much for your wonderful comments on my posts. They are scripture based and all make me search myself and scripture. Your posts have blessed me, even when I see something different than you do.

Dino246 · Dec 13, 2020

Blik said:

You keep confusing the issue. It's really simple:

God gave the Law to Israel.

Period!

There is no record in the Bible that God ever gave the Law to anyone else to be followed to the letter. In fact, when Paul made reference to the gentiles in Romans 3, he wrote that they don't have the law!

You keep claiming that the Law was all about God showing "us" how to live, and what He is like. However, the Bible doesn't say those things! It seems to me that your entire position is based on your assumptions and paraphrases of what the Bible says, not on what it actually says. Given how frequently you paraphrase others (and me) instead of quoting directly, and what portion of those paraphrases is very different from what people actually say, I wonder whether you haven't simply taken the words of Scripture and re-written them in your own mind.

Here's what I suggest: the next time you want to write a post stating what you think the Bible is saying, go and find the evidence in the Bible first. Then quote exactly what the Bible says; don't paraphrase it. If you can't find the evidence, maybe you need to reconsider what you think.

Blik · Dec 13, 2020

Pilgrimshope said:

Genesis 12:3 I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."

I don't appreciate your hollering at me and making your post difficult to read with those screams.

Blik · Dec 13, 2020

Dino246 said:

You keep confusing the issue. It's really simple:

God gave the Law to Israel.

Period!

There is no record in the Bible that God ever gave the Law to anyone else to be followed to the letter. In fact, when Paul made reference to the gentiles in Romans 3, he wrote that they don't have the law!

You keep claiming that the Law was all about God showing "us" how to live, and what He is like. However, the Bible doesn't say those things! It seems to me that your entire position is based on your assumptions and paraphrases of what the Bible says, not on what it actually says. Given how frequently you paraphrase others (and me) instead of quoting directly, and what portion of those paraphrases is very different from what people actually say, I wonder whether you haven't simply taken the words of Scripture and re-written them in your own mind.

Here's what I suggest: the next time you want to write a post stating what you think the Bible is saying, go and find the evidence in the Bible first. Then quote exactly what the Bible says; don't paraphrase it. If you can't find the evidence, maybe you need to reconsider what you think.

This is not solving the problem of who God is speaking to when God speaks to Israel. You say it is a difference between listening and following, yet those words do have any relationship.

Dino246 · Dec 13, 2020

Blik said:

How much plainer can it be? When God is speaking to Israel, the direction is for Israel!

When God is speaking to Abraham, the direction is for Abraham!

When God is speaking to all Christians, the direction is for all Christians! The Bible was not written "to Christians"! It is, however, instructional for Christians, but there is a big difference between instruction and direction.

My (earthly) citizenship is Canadian, and I live in Canada. The laws of Germany do not apply to me. I can read them, and I can learn about Germany by reading them, but following them, even perfectly, will never make me a citizen of Germany.

Because of what Jesus did for us on the cross, we as Christians have our citizenship in heaven (Philippians 3:20). We can read about the laws given to ancient Israel, but we can never become citizens of ancient Israel by following their laws. Why would we seek to follow laws that were never given to us so that we can achieve what has already been achieved for us by Jesus?

Blik · Dec 14, 2020

Dino246 said:

Gal. 3: 29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.

Israel was led by earthly symbols of the law, and now every believer in Christ is given the holy spirit so the law is in our hearts. We are not to follow the earthly symbols of the law any longer. It is really not important if we say these former commandments were only to Israel, the end results are the same.

Pilgrimshope · Dec 14, 2020

Blik said:

yes Israel wasn’t chosen from the beginning mankind was , then we fell and Israel was chosen from among the fallen world . Only until the promise of Abraham restores Hkds relationship to all mankind through Christ and the gospel being sent to all the people of the world

Magenta · Dec 14, 2020

Blik said:

Do you stone adulterers and blasphemers?

Pilgrimshope · Dec 14, 2020

Blik said:

we aren’t to live by the law , but also aren’t to break it or teach others to break it . We’re dead to it we already doed because of it it’s behind us now been fulfilled upon us through baptism into christs death for our sins. It’s behind us because we died when a sinner dies the law is fulfilled
“Know ye not, brethren, how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:1, 4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s what baptism is about having our sins remitted in Christ’s death so when we die , they aren’t on us anymore Christ already went into death for our sins and rose up having authority over death

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death:

that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-4, 6-7‬ ‭

When we are baptized Christ takes our sins into his death , so when we die we are seen as sinless to God . Given we repent now while we can and believe the gospel. We’ve all sinned but in Christ we can learn and grow in repentance and righteousness that isn’t an effort but a fruit of our new nature created in the faith of Christ and his word of salvation in the gospel

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1:21-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s not the old word but the new engrafted word we need the gospel of the kingdom

JaumeJ · Dec 14, 2020

When I first came to be convinced of Our Salvation, Yeshua-Jesus, there were many indications given me from God, specifically the Holy Spirit. One of the occasions was a voice come to me in my sleep.

I heard, "Now the Children of Israel, while they were in the wilderness, were disobedient, and by their disobedience salvation was gained by the nations."

With this utterance came the understanding that had the Children of Israel been perfect there would have been no hope for the nations, and we all know by faith that God is Just always. So, how could one earthly nation be His only chosen?

This is when I began to understand while reading the Word that there is that Israel of this age, now deceased never to rise again, and the Israel of God, eternal.

All love and blessings in Yeshua-Jesus, amen.

Pilgrimshope · Dec 14, 2020

JaumeJ said:

yes love and blessings to you also

Yes there are two creations and a people who correspond to both one group corresponds to this earth , this Jerusalem and is doomed by Gods word

“For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

...

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:5-9, 13‬ ‭

There is a Jerusalem on this earth which is going to perish with the earth and another in heaven which is going to come from heaven into the new earth filled with the people who believed the gospel the children of Abraham born of the spirit through Christ

Pilgrimshope · Dec 14, 2020

Blik said:

I think you mispercieved me “hollering “ at you sort of seeing that tone that isn’t There but maybe it is best if we end the docscussion you seem to be getting offended and it’s not my intention

and yes that white you are using was spoken to Abraham .

Abraham was blessed by melchezidek priesthood the only person in the Bible other than Christians to be blessed by melchezideks priesthood

Blik · Dec 14, 2020

Magenta said:

I believe in scripture. In scripture we are told of the new covenant, or the law being given in our hearts. I believe scripture do you?

Magenta · Dec 14, 2020

Blik said:

You did not answer my question.

I take it you do not do what Scripture says, despite your claim that
you don't see how we can listen to scripture and not follow it.

Blik · Dec 14, 2020

Pilgrimshope said:

It isn't because of offense I ask you to not shout, it really is hard to read and gives a feeling of being shouted at, your posts would do so much more good if they didn't shout so loud.

It is so interesting that Melchizedek was both a priest and a king. The only other that was both was Christ.

Blik · Dec 14, 2020

Magenta said:

I did answer your question. You asked me if I stoned people, and I answered that I believe in scripture that indicates we are not to stone people.

I think you are showing anything but Christian ways in the way you are answering, by the way. We are to discuss scripture, not to post about our judgments against people. What I do is not up for discussion, scripture is.

Magenta · Dec 14, 2020

Blik said:

You did not say that. You are being dishonest. How unChristian of you!

Blik said:

What a hypocrite you are, constantly judging people while pretending you don't.

Pilgrimshope · Dec 14, 2020

Blik said:

yes my position is I’m not shouting and I’m sorry you perceived it that way I’ll make sure not to “ shout “ at you I guess because shouting isn’t nice when people do that ....

Yes I agree . But you know what ? There is glory to be heard in this matter

“And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth.

Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:5-6‬ ‭

the underlines don’t mean I’m belittling or shouting at you 🙂😇 just trying to draw your attention to a point I feel is a good thing to notice and consider that’s all

thanks for your mature attitude , sincerely it’s nice to not argue even in a disagreement

Pilgrimshope · Dec 14, 2020

Blik said:

melchezidek is a really interesting subject I’m finding out he is very mysterious in the ot until we get to the book of Hebrews when it is all explained regarding the two testaments and two mediations of Gods covenant with man .

do you remember Jesus saying this ?

“Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:56-58‬ ‭

“For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all;

first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:1-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and then of course Hebrews bears out our high Kreisler Jesus Christ in melchezideks order and not belonging to the law or order of Aaron .

Jesus wasn’t even allowed to be a priest of the law because he came from Judah. But his order goes back to before the law when Abraham’s promise for all
People of the earth was made Under the blessing upon Abraham of melchezideks priesthood order and not of the leviticle order

“Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭6:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This is the point of two seperate covenants meaning two seperate laws and mediators

each law has its own priesthood they don’t interchange when the law came , the priesthood changed to the Levite’s from melchezidek who was before and then when the gospel came the priesthood changed back to what it was before the law

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