Exposing one of satan's lies with Truth. Gods commandments are still valid today till the earth passes away.

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Dino246

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I know I shouldn't slight back at people its just so hard when they try to trodden down my beliefs and refute God's Truth.
Here's the problem:

You equate your beliefs with God's truth.

Until you can get off your high horse and just present your interpretations without all the "It's God's truth" baggage, you are going to come across like a self-righteous, arrogant, unteachable jackdonkey. You aren't the only one who has studied and prayed about this and other matters!

Instead, be respectful, and don't demonize everyone who disagrees with you, because one day you might realize you were wrong about something, and you'll be in the camp that you formerly demonized. Then what? Will your faith be shattered because you "think" that you didn't have the Holy Spirit before? I hope not. Remember, Jesus says that the Holy Spirit will lead you into all truth; Jesus does not say that He has already done so. So take a chill pill. You'll become a kinder and gentler person, and you'll probably learn a whole lot more as well.
 

Blade

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:) thanks.. a wall of text... for me not easy to read. That is what you did.. not they or them or the spirit. And you do know each one of us can say what I know share I believe its by the spirit those that listen have ears to hear. Does seem after reading your a tad puffed up no offense. The way you address talk to others. We all to some degree know our personal belief is the real one.

We love the lord out God with all our heart with all our soul, and with all our mind. We love our neighbor as our self. All of the law hangs on these two commands.

It would seem more then one person noticed the real you? So... do we listen to the holy Spirit speaking through others? :) You wrote about keeping His word..it points to Him praise GOD glory to JESUS! Thats awesome!
 
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I don't know how long you (claim to) have been a Christian, but the attitude you are displaying is common among newbies who have a little bit of head knowledge but have not developed any humility to temper it. Claiming that what you believe is "the spirits (sic) interpretation" shuts your mind to correction.

You said that you were here to discuss the Scriptures, not to argue; your actions consistently belie that. I can assure you that even if your understanding were correct (I don't agree), your method certainly isn't. Dismissing anyone who disagrees as "not having the Spirit" is nothing but arrogant. You ain't Paul, and you certainly ain't Jesus.
I have met many kind true Christians in here they are a joy to talk to you bear no fruits begone strife.
 
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KT88

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I'm not following that either.
So you can't decipher from the letter to the Hebrews that the old covenant and the Mosaic law was coming to end when the letter was written?
 
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Here's the problem:

You equate your beliefs with God's truth.

Until you can get off your high horse and just present your interpretations without all the "It's God's truth" baggage, you are going to come across like a self-righteous, arrogant, unteachable jackdonkey. You aren't the only one who has studied and prayed about this and other matters!

Instead, be respectful, and don't demonize everyone who disagrees with you, because one day you might realize you were wrong about something, and you'll be in the camp that you formerly demonized. Then what? Will your faith be shattered because you "think" that you didn't have the Holy Spirit before? I hope not. Remember, Jesus says that the Holy Spirit will lead you into all truth; Jesus does not say that He has already done so. So take a chill pill. You'll become a kinder and gentler person, and you'll probably learn a whole lot more as well.
(1 John 2:11) He that hates his brother is in darkness begone strife
 

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So you can't decipher from the letter to the Hebrews that the old covenant and the Mosaic law was coming to end when the letter was written?
Not really. I don't believe that it's a salvation issue either whether I understand it or not. I tend to believe that both covenants refer to the nation of Israel. Yeah, there will be some Gentiles grafted in too. I guess that I don't find that topic particularly point of interest in my own personal spiritual study and application of the Word.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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I've only just skimmed this thread... was the following passage covered anywhere? :

Hebrews 7 -
A Superior Priesthood

11 Then indeed, if perfection were by [by means of] the Levitical priesthood (for upon it the people had received the Law) what need was there still for another priest to arise, according to the order of Melchizedek, and not to be named according to the order of Aaron? 12 For of the priesthood being changed, from necessity a change of Law also takes place.
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For he concerning whom these things are said belonged to another tribe, from which no one has served at the altar. 14 For it is evident that our Lord has sprung out of Judah, a tribe as to which Moses spoke nothing concerning priests.
15 And it is yet more abundantly evident if another priest according to the likeness of Melchizedek arises, 16 who has been constituted not according to a law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an indestructible life. 17 For it is testified:
“You are a priest to the age,
according to the order of Melchizedek.”a
18 For indeed, there is a putting away of the preceding commandment, because of its weakness and uselessness 19 (for the Law perfected nothing), and the introduction of a better hope, by [means of] which we draw near to God.
20 And inasmuch as it was not apart from an oath, for those ones truly are becoming priests without an oath, 21 He, however, was with an oath through the One saying to Him:
The Lord has sworn and will not change His mind,
‘You are a priest to the age.’”b
22 By so much also, Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I feel led by the spirit to share this to whoever the spirit leads to receive it. Now there are some who are under the false doctrine that God's Divine commandments have been blotted out and nailed to cross and were a curse not a blessing.
you lead off with something that is not true, if you start a thread with a false truth. Your thread is pretty much in danger

I will refute this lie with the truth of the Holy Spirits teaching.
how can you refute something that nobody has said?

if you start a rebuttle based on a falsity, your rebuttal has no meaning

Now before we begin In no way or form am I saying obedience to reliance on or observance of Gods commandments makes you righteous or secures your salvation I know the word says (Rom. 10:10) For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. First lets expose the lie and find out what was truly blottened out and was a curse (not 10 commandments)
wow, this is what everyone has been trying to tell you. So thank you for agreeing with us. Which begs to question, why the rebuttle?

and nailed to the cross and find out what was fulfilled by final sacrifice of Christ Jesus our Lord. (Rom. 7:11-14) 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it (using it as a weapon) slew (killed) me. 12 Wherefore the law is holy, ( not a curse) and the commandment holy, (again not a curse) and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me (without the Spirit) by that which is good(as a weapon); that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal (of flesh), sold under sin (sold into slavery under control of sin). You see clearly it states gods commandments are not a curse but used as a weapon against us before we had received spirit of Christ where there is no condemnation for sin. The curse wasn't the commandments it was that we were in bondage having to live in flesh without the spirit. Now here is where the false doctrine originates from. (Gal. 3:10) For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. What is this book they speak of? Well lets let the bible explain itself and not make our own assumptions. Lets see is it the 10 commandments, that can't be GOD came down as a consuming fire and wrote them with his own finger in stone (not a book). What about (Deu. 31:26) Take this book(again not 10 commandments) of the law, and put it in the side ( not in) of the ark of the covenant of the lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. You can read Deu. 31 if you want to know more of this book their is a song written in it as a witness against children of Israel (again not 10 commandments). Now lets reiterate what we have already established. Gods commandments are good, holy, just(not a curse and against thee). Lets read commandment 5 together Honor thy mother and father, that your days may be long in the land the lord your god gives you. Does that sound like blessing or curse,for you or against you(rhetorical). Now the true curse that's nailed to cross (Col. 2:14) 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances (webster- an authoritative decree or direction; a prescribed usage, practice, or ceremony) that was against us (not 10 commandments they're holy), which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross. I got it these are without a doubt the ceremonial ordinances one had to practice and follow to become justified and cleansed in the sight of the lord (circumcision, sacrifices, etc.) but we don't live in the flesh under the law of sin and death we live by the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus. Christ's final sacrifice erased all those burdens of living under that old law (in flesh) which was the curse not God's holy, just, divine, commandments which when we are obedient to are a blessing. So do we follow and keep Gods commandments to be justified and secure salvation nooo! That is only received through life in Christ. So lets see what holy spirit teaches now that we have exsposed this lie of Satan which is false doctrine. First lets find out where Gods commandments are surely not blotted out I found them now put your hand over your heart now you found them and are they not embedded in your mind. (Heb. 10:14-16) For by one offering (Jesus Christ) he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 15 whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, 16 This is the covenant that i will make with them after those days, saith the Lord (not man); I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them. God also says (1 John 5:3) For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. (1 John 2:3-7) 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. 7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment, which you had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which you have heard from the beginning. Read parable of the unprofitable servant (Luke 17:5-10) to see we are doing will of god when we keep his commandments. So here's warning about false teachers (Col. 2:8) Beware lest any man spoil (hold you captive) you through (so called) philosophy vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments (principles) of the world, and not after Christ. We in the spirit stay ( Col. 2:7) Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. And this is how we may discern ( daily by experience) that we are coming to know him- to perceive, recognize, understand and become better acquainted with him- if we keep ( bear in mind, observe, practice) His teachings (precepts, commandments) so that Christ's life may be lived in us and through us and I pray all of you who received this in the spirit that know this is Spirit of truth in me that shares this with you. (Psalm 1) 2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doeth he meditate day and night. 3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper. (Isa. 40:8) The grass withereth, the flower fadeth, but the word of our god shall stand forever. And this is for all who Don't understand (1 Cor. 2:14) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. ( Mat. 5:17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. (Then there is a new beginning)
then you show the true issue

1. you try to separate the moral law from the rest. The law is the law, it comes as a unit.
2. the commands are still active. and so is the curse of the law. Anyone wh does not bey every jot and tittle are cursed. That’s means you are cursed and I am cursed.
3. the only way to have the curse removed, is to receive the gift of Christ, who became the curse for us.
4. as christians, we are under the law of love, not the law of Moses. The moral law. While still sin if you break it, cannot help us, it did its job.

it’s sad you can’t comprehend this
 
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eternally-gratefull

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None of us can obey them completely but encouraging each other to obey them is not being a hypocryte it is doing as we were called to do, now judging others for it is another story
We should be courage people to love, that’s the only way we are going to live a life of obedience,

putting them under law will only lead to failure
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I don't demand anything I just put Gods truth out there for whoever listens.
Why won’t you listen?

you seem to think you know it all.

this is a discussion forum. Not a newbie come in and try to set everyone straight on Gods word thread.

we get enough of those people.
 
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