Why the Kingdom of God, Gospel of God, & Gospel of Christ? What's the difference?

[JaumeJ]

My opinion is that Paul is not the problem. We are as we do not understand the history of the Bible. Society changed over the last 2000 years and we want to fit what happened then into what we think we know today. It is just not possible .

Forgive my not being perfectly clear. I quote from Paul frequently, however many , as you have deftly mentioned, do not understand his circumstances upon writing nor the current events of the times of his writing.
My actual point is tha people are usually put at peace when learning anything from Jesus-Yeshua. God bless you and please forgive my incomplete post.

 

[throughfaith]

I think it is important that we try to understand the mind of Paul. That mind was trained in the school he went to, Paul was a top student trained to be a Pharisee rabbi, and he used this training after the Lord made him the apostle to the gentiles. But there is nowhere in scripture that tells of Paul wondering about his ministry failing. Paul listened to the lord, and the Lord did not speak of his ministry failing.

Paul was concerned with the entire subject of salvation.

Thats kinda funny ,if it wasn't so sad . You say he's concerned about the greatest fear that could ever strike into the heart of man , eternity in hell and not his exemplary defence of the gospel ? His efforts not to be a burden to anyone . Not asking to be paid . He worked ,when he could have charged . He became all things to all people to reach all people. His protection of the message was his highest priority to reach others with the Gosepl . His goal was the the gospel went out .

1 cor 9

12If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we HAVE NOT used this power; but SUFFER ALL things, lest we should HINDER the gospel of Christ.

What are you talking about ? Paul did not want to have the Gosepl hindered. That was his concern.

14Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
15¶But I have used none of these things: neither have I written these things, that it should be so done unto me: for it were better for me to die, than that any man should make my glorying void.
16For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!

Have you even read these verses?

than that any man should make my glorying void.

16For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!

" WOE IS ME " ...

18What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.

" I ABUSE NOT "

21To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
22To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
23And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

" AND THIS I DO FOR THE GOSPEL SAKE "
This is what Paul means by " running the race "
Paul wanting his efforts for the gospel to be blameless.
Only a person who does not trust the bible could think Paul was concerned of his salvation .

 

[throughfaith]

There is only one Gospel (which has a number of names, depending on the emphasis). And there is only one Kingdom of God (also called the Kingdom of Heaven in its outward manifestation).

The Kingdom of God has Christ as King, and presently it is not visible. However those who have been born again have entered into and seen the Kingdom of God. After the Second Coming of Christ it will be established on earth as a visible, physical and spiritual Kingdom on earth, and will be worldwide.

To strive to enter in means to hear the Gospel and to obey it (which is also called "the obedience of faith"). Only those who genuinely obey the Gospel are within the Kingdom of God.

Now to Him that is of power to stablish you according to my Gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the Scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen. (Rom 16:25-27)

The Church (redeemed Jews and Gentiles in one Body) is an integral part of the Kingdom of God. So will be redeemed and restored Israel on earth in the future.

The " My gosepl " is not the same Gosepl ( good news ) that the diciples are preaching prior to Jesus s death ,burial and resurrection.

 

[throughfaith]

I think it is important that we try to understand the mind of Paul. That mind was trained in the school he went to, Paul was a top student trained to be a Pharisee rabbi, and he used this training after the Lord made him the apostle to the gentiles. But there is nowhere in scripture that tells of Paul wondering about his ministry failing. Paul listened to the lord, and the Lord did not speak of his ministry failing.

Paul was concerned with the entire subject of salvation.

You say " That mind was trained in the school he went to, Paul was a top student trained to be a Pharisee rabbi, and he used this training after the Lord made him the apostle to the gentiles. "

Paul says otherwise .
4Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
5Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
6Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
7¶But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
8Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but DUNG , that I may win Christ,

 

[throughfaith]

Gospel simply means ' good news ' . So we need to ask which ' good news ' is being spoken of at different times in the bible.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The " My gosepl " is not the same Gosepl ( good news ) that the diciples are preaching prior to Jesus s death ,burial and resurrection.

There is ONLY ONE GOSPEL. Anyone who claims otherwise is misleading people.
Prior to the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ, the preaching of Christ was the Gospel. And after that was accomplished, the preaching of Christ was still the Gospel. And that is exactly what the passage I have quoted says -- "THE PREACHING OF CHRIST".

 

[throughfaith]

There is ONLY ONE GOSPEL. Anyone who claims otherwise is misleading people.
Prior to the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ, the preaching of Christ was the Gospel. And after that was accomplished, the preaching of Christ was still the Gospel. And that is exactly what the passage I have quoted says -- "THE PREACHING OF CHRIST".

The " preaching of christ " is misleading. Which part ? His carpentry? His height and weight ? .
No the Gospel means 'good news '. Which news ? Without believing the resurrection, is this the Gospel we preach today ?

 

[throughfaith]

There is ONLY ONE GOSPEL. Anyone who claims otherwise is misleading people.
Prior to the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ, the preaching of Christ was the Gospel. And after that was accomplished, the preaching of Christ was still the Gospel. And that is exactly what the passage I have quoted says -- "THE PREACHING OF CHRIST".

There is no ' good news ' ( Gospel) today without the death ,burial and resurrection. They were not preaching this good news ( Gospel) prior to the cross.

 

[Guojing]

The " preaching of christ " is misleading. Which part ? His carpentry? His height and weight ? .
No the Gospel means 'good news '. Which news ? Without believing the resurrection, is this the Gospel we preach today ?

You can preach Christ according to prophecy, which was what Peter did in Acts 2, 3 and 4.

Peter finds a rich Christology in the biblical passages he cites. “All the prophets” predicted the events of the last days, which Peter says have arrived (3:18, 21, 24; cf. 2:17-21).

The prophets predicted the events of Christ’s life, including his suffering and death (3:18), his resurrection (2:24-31 [=Ps. 16:8-11]), his ascension to heaven to be enthroned at God’s right hand (2:34-35 [=Ps. 110:1]; 3:21), his Second Coming for the “restoration of all things” (3:21 [cf. e.g. Is. 35:1–10; 65:17–25]), and his rejection by most of Israel (3:18; 4:11 [=Ps. 118:22]).

Jesus’ identity as Lord and Christ is confirmed since he fulfilled these scriptural expectations of the Messiah (2:36).

But Paul preached Christ according to the mystery, as Romans 16:25 indicated, this is what he called "my gospel" 3 times in Scripture, and that is the only gospel that saves today.

 

[Blik]

My opinion is that Paul is not the problem. We are as we do not understand the history of the Bible. Society changed over the last 2000 years and we want to fit what happened then into what we think we know today. It is just not possible .

It seems to me that scripture discusses eternal truths and is inspired by an eternal God who never changes. We think in terms of the sequence of time, God is in eternal time. If we keep in mind all that God is as we read His word we would understand the word better. The book of Psalms gives description after description of our God.

 

[Blik]

There is no ' good news ' ( Gospel) today without the death ,burial and resurrection. They were not preaching this good news ( Gospel) prior to the cross.

The entire salvation system is a shadow of the cross. The old testament states that there is no salvation without the giving of blood, and that God gave blood on the altar for the salvation of our souls. That is grace, there is no grace without Christ, and there are scriptures telling of God's grace in the old testament.

 

[throughfaith]

There is ONLY ONE GOSPEL. Anyone who claims otherwise is misleading people.
Prior to the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ, the preaching of Christ was the Gospel. And after that was accomplished, the preaching of Christ was still the Gospel. And that is exactly what the passage I have quoted says -- "THE PREACHING OF CHRIST".

We could make " the preaching of christ ' this

There is ONLY ONE GOSPEL. Anyone who claims otherwise is misleading people.
Prior to the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ, the preaching of Christ was the Gospel. And after that was accomplished, the preaching of Christ was still the Gospel. And that is exactly what the passage I have quoted says -- "THE PREACHING OF CHRIST".

There is definitely more than one good news . " preaching of chris

The entire salvation system is a shadow of the cross. The old testament states that there is no salvation without the giving of blood, and that God gave blood on the altar for the salvation of our souls. That is grace, there is no grace without Christ, and there are scriptures telling of God's grace in the old testament.

Yes i understand that . But this is with the benefit of us looking back with 20/20

 

[throughfaith]

The entire salvation system is a shadow of the cross. The old testament states that there is no salvation without the giving of blood, and that God gave blood on the altar for the salvation of our souls. That is grace, there is no grace without Christ, and there are scriptures telling of God's grace in the old testament.

The disciples did not know the Gospel as we know it today, prior to the cross . They did not know or understand the death burial and resurrection, even when Jesus kept telling them it was going to happen. They did not believe the resurrection immediately after it happened either. Yet they were preaching ' the gospel ' ?

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

My advice is to read the Bible, when you come to one of those terms, use the literary context, and break out the concordance. And most of all stop listening to Charles Cooper, ( and any one who has anything to do with moody Bible School.) he is making stuff up.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs.
Hebrews 1:1‭-‬4 ESV
https://bible.com/bible/59/heb.1.1-4.ESV

 

[Blik]

The disciples did not know the Gospel as we know it today, prior to the cross . They did not know or understand the death burial and resurrection, even when Jesus kept telling them it was going to happen. They did not believe the resurrection immediately after it happened either. Yet they were preaching ' the gospel ' ?

The gospel is that through Christ we may live forever. They did not understand, it is true, but through the blood (we know now it was the blood of Christ) they could live forever. It did not become complete for them, they only slept until Christ was crucified, but at that time they were made alive and walked the streets as it tells us in MAtt. 27:52.

 

[throughfaith]

The gospel is that through Christ we may live forever. They did not understand, it is true, but through the blood (we know now it was the blood of Christ) they could live forever. It did not become complete for them, they only slept until Christ was crucified, but at that time they were made alive and walked the streets as it tells us in MAtt. 27:52.

They were saved of course . But not through believing the Gospel the way we understand it today. In the same way they were not saved the same way as Noah . Always through faith but not appropriated the same way .

 

[Blik]

They were saved of course . But not through believing the Gospel the way we understand it today. In the same way they were not saved the same way as Noah . Always through faith but not appropriated the same way .

I love it! We read the same truths, and are impressed with those truths in such different ways. I am impressed with the sameness in them, and you are impressed with the differences. We are both correct.

That is why this site is so powerful.

 

[TheWaytoGo]

1 Corinthians 9:24-27
24 Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. 25 Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last, but we do it to get a crown that will last forever. 26 Therefore I do not run like someone running aimlessly; I do not fight like a boxer beating the air. 27 No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.

The Crown that will last forever. This is the prize that Paul does not want to be disqualified from. This crown is salvation. The crown is spoken of in Revelation.

Yes, here is that crown of life. Thank you, I thought that is what he meant, but so many disagree with me.

Rev 2:10 ...be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.​

 

[TheWaytoGo]

I think it is important that we try to understand the mind of Paul. That mind was trained in the school he went to, Paul was a top student trained to be a Pharisee rabbi, and he used this training after the Lord made him the apostle to the gentiles. But there is nowhere in scripture that tells of Paul wondering about his ministry failing. Paul listened to the lord, and the Lord did not speak of his ministry failing.

Paul was concerned with the entire subject of salvation.

Paul made quite a bold statement:

1Co 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.​