Forgiveness: conditional or unconditional?
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Hello Kolistus, the Lord tells us exactly what we are supposed to do before forgiveness is offered, yes 
When we obey the Lord's command to rebuke someone who has sinned against us .. e.g. Luke 17:3-4, and they refuse to repent/will not ask us to forgive them, then forgiveness should not be offered, and that, in part, for their sake, yes
God bless you!
~Deut
p.s. - here's a question from a slightly different POV, since the Lord commands us to rebuke a brother who sins/sins against us, if we disobey His command and refuse to rebuke our sinning brother, do we become a sinner (who needs to repent and be forgiven) because we have refused to obey the Lord's command
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Luke 17
3 “If your brother sins, rebuke him; and ~if~ he repents, forgive him.
4 And ~if~ he sins against you seven times a day, and returns to you seven times, ~saying~, ‘I repent,’ ... forgive him.”
When we obey the Lord's command to rebuke someone who has sinned against us .. e.g. Luke 17:3-4, and they refuse to repent/will not ask us to forgive them, then forgiveness should not be offered, and that, in part, for their sake, yes
God bless you!
~Deut
p.s. - here's a question from a slightly different POV, since the Lord commands us to rebuke a brother who sins/sins against us, if we disobey His command and refuse to rebuke our sinning brother, do we become a sinner (who needs to repent and be forgiven) because we have refused to obey the Lord's command
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Hello Througfaith, here's a verse that comes to mind,
It is stated in many other verses as well, though perhaps not quite as directly as it is in v43 above.
I believe the real matter at hand (when talking about our forgiveness of one another on the one hand, and God forgiving our sins and saving us on the other) is the teaching of the RCC that conflates the two in a passage like this one .. Matthew 6:14-15 (where they believe God not forgiving our sins is in regard to our salvation, instead of the state or condition of our relationship with Him).
~Deut
Acts 10
43 “Of Him all the prophets bear witness, that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.”
It is stated in many other verses as well, though perhaps not quite as directly as it is in v43 above.
I believe the real matter at hand (when talking about our forgiveness of one another on the one hand, and God forgiving our sins and saving us on the other) is the teaching of the RCC that conflates the two in a passage like this one .. Matthew 6:14-15 (where they believe God not forgiving our sins is in regard to our salvation, instead of the state or condition of our relationship with Him).
~Deut
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Yes
that’s a decision, not a condition
the only condition we have to be saved is to be have perfect obedience to the law, we failed that condition because all have sinned
if belief is a condition, then we can earn salvation by our belief, saying this is exactly what fatalists/calvinists want us to think, because it proves their point,
that’s a decision, not a condition
the only condition we have to be saved is to be have perfect obedience to the law, we failed that condition because all have sinned
if belief is a condition, then we can earn salvation by our belief, saying this is exactly what fatalists/calvinists want us to think, because it proves their point,
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It is unconditional
we can do absolutely nothing to save ourselves
if someone try’s to hand us 100 dollars out of his own hard work, and we recieve it, we still did not earn it.
repentance and faith comes from God. You did not come to these decisions by yourself that’s why you can’t boast of them. And why it is the work of God we believe (John 6)
we can do absolutely nothing to save ourselves
if someone try’s to hand us 100 dollars out of his own hard work, and we recieve it, we still did not earn it.
repentance and faith comes from God. You did not come to these decisions by yourself that’s why you can’t boast of them. And why it is the work of God we believe (John 6)
If it is unconditional, why is everyone not saved?
I have said nothing about earning salvation.
I have repeatedly spoken of a gift from God.
A gift that needs to be received.
Faith is not a work.
So nobody decides for them selves? They are puppets in your view?
Puppets who don't have a choice. Sounds very Calvinistic.
I have said nothing about earning salvation.
I have repeatedly spoken of a gift from God.
A gift that needs to be received.
Faith is not a work.
So nobody decides for them selves? They are puppets in your view?
Puppets who don't have a choice. Sounds very Calvinistic.
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I’m now appealing to the dispensationalist in you...the verses below sound conditional...awww, the importance of rightly dividing the word of truth.
Matthew 6
14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
If you forgive others, then I’ll forgive you.
Matthew 6
14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
If you forgive others, then I’ll forgive you.
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