Was the crucifixion that Jesus endured the worst possible suffering a human could experience?

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ewq1938 said:
Worse things have been done, and done for years to people. I'm thankful Christ only had to endure what he did for the time it lasted rather than twice as long etc.
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It's nothing compared to the suffering of those in Hell.
 
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Goldensparrow said:
I am sorry, Journeyman. I am a human. I do believe Jesus did suffer more than others who have been tortured. I do believe the Lord was suffering his Father's judgement in our place. Yes, sinners did torture and execute the Messiah in an earthly manner. Yeshua (Jesus) was perfectly capable of coming down off that cross at any time if he had so chosen to do so and put a stop to what they were doing to him. However, he chose to stay in order to take the judgement for the sins of the all humanity so salvation would be a possibility.
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So why was the crucifixion necessary?
 
JohnDB

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Enduring suffering when you don't need to...not something that I would want to do.

Just saying...Jesus doesn't need us... merely a want.
 
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JohnDB said:
Enduring suffering when you don't need to...not something that I would want to do.

Just saying...Jesus doesn't need us... merely a want.
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Who DOES 'need' to endure suffering? Only God knows, after all He created suffering.
 
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VickyK said:
Nothing is an accident. Why? 'Because God'.
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Jesus was purposed from before the foundation of the world, to shed His blood for the remission of sin.

Not an accident at all.
 
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VickyK said:
Meaning, was it the ultimate suffering that no other human would ever possibly compare to have experienced?
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VickyK said:
Meaning, was it the ultimate suffering that no other human would ever possibly compare to have experienced?
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Please remember not only was Jesus suffering great to where he was beaten to the point of death and looked like an animal he suffered for you and me. Jesus did not have to HE willfully endured it.
 
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Goldensparrow said:
I am sorry, Journeyman. I am a human. I do believe Jesus did suffer more than others who have been tortured. I do believe the Lord was suffering his Father's judgement in our place. Yes, sinners did torture and execute the Messiah in an earthly manner. Yeshua (Jesus) was perfectly capable of coming down off that cross at any time if he had so chosen to do so and put a stop to what they were doing to him. However, he chose to stay in order to take the judgement for the sins of the all humanity so salvation would be a possibility.
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Jesus stayed on that cross, displaying the love and patience God has toward sinners who despise him.
You're wrong Goldensparrow. You're misreading the scripture, as I once did.
 
VickyK

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CS1 said:
Please remember not only was Jesus suffering great to where he was beaten to the point of death and looked like an animal he suffered for you and me. Jesus did not have to HE willfully endured it.
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Who HAS to suffer? And why did he ask God (himself?) why he'd been forsaken? My question was was Jesus' suffering disprortionate to that of others? Did he suffer any more than any other criminal sent to the cross?
 
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VickyK said:
Who HAS to suffer? And why did he ask God (himself?) why he'd been forsaken? My question was was Jesus' suffering disprortionate to that of others? Did he suffer any more than any other criminal sent to the cross?
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have you read the story of the crucifixion ?
 
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I don't know of it's the worst, however it is exceedingly horrific. To be beaten with a whip is horrific enough, but to add to that nailed up and hung up in the hot sun, to die a slow agonizing death.
The Romans later burned Christians at the stake. This sounds very horrific as well.
 
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VickyK said:
Why was God punishing himself?

Well surely humans will endure eternal suffering, surely by definition that suffering would be worse than what God endured?
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He died for the sins of the world . willingly. For his enemies . For the ones mocking him ,spitting in his face , ripping his beard out , driving the nails into his hands and feet .
 
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VickyK said:
Who HAS to suffer? And why did he ask God (himself?) why he'd been forsaken? My question was was Jesus' suffering disprortionate to that of others? Did he suffer any more than any other criminal sent to the cross?
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Disproportionate in the sense he did not deserve the punishment.
VickyK said:
It's nothing compared to the suffering of those in Hell.
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I don't think it was a competition.
 
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