Homosexual ... and Christian???

[Thanson1975]

If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination."(Leviticus 20:13)

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion. ‘Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for by all these the nations are defiled, which I am casting out before you." (Leviticus 18:22-24)

"For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due." (Romans 1:26-27)

As I said I knew it would be a short time before someone threw those letters out at me. I do not ignore them but I also like reading the context. In Leviticus it is in black and white, no argument... but there are countless other "abominations" that the Lord states, from shell fish to cutting one's beard. Does it make it right or wrong? Wrong according to the Word of God. My point here is that this book of rules shows that we ALL are guilty of God's Word.

Now for Romans. In the first Chapter Paul is quite upset about seeing all the false idols being worshiped and the godlessness of these people. He gives tons of examples of the wrongs he sees. Continuing in Chapter 2:1-16. But once again we can see how in today's world we have woman that are not sub to their husbands, does that mean they are sinners? Or is it safe to say that all of us are sinners, which could be a common point out of all of Paul's letters.

Of course people will say if you are a homosexual then you are good unless you are a practicing homosexual(?). Ok, I guess that means if you are having sex. Here is what I say to that, I figure most on this board and in this topic are heterosexual. Can one say that if you are over age 18 then you are no longer a virgin. When you lost your virginity were you 1) Married, 2) Procreating. If you break either of those guidelines then you are sinning just as the homosexual is. Now granted if you are married that means no sexual contact unless it is for procreation. Also then if you are a divorced you are committing adultery, another sin.

So are homosexuals to burn in hell forever and ever? I think hell is going to be pretty much filled, unless of course you know and acknowledge you sinned and ask for forgiveness.

 

[LaylieCalmMind]

What is wrong with a homosexual following God? He can be a homosexual and not continue with the life he was living and be holy and honourable.

Could you, hypothetically, stop being a heterosexual and give up the heterosexual way of life?

What you're asking homosexuals to do is the same thing.

 

[Gabriel777]

Could you, hypothetically, stop being a heterosexual and give up the heterosexual way of life?

What you're asking homosexuals to do is the same thing.

Being homosexual is going against the order of nature as God says

 

[Thanson1975]

Could you, hypothetically, stop being a heterosexual and give up the heterosexual way of life?

What you're asking homosexuals to do is the same thing.

Laylie... It is easier for them to point fault at those that are gay than condemning pride, or lust or greed, things that most practicing Christians have struggled with.

 

[giantone]

The problem I have is that people use homosexuality as a litmus test for being a "True Christian". If Heterosexuals and Homosexuals put anything before God then that is a major sin, as pointed out in countless verses of the Bible. But to condemn one bunch of people for loving someone else and saying they are not a Christian like me, therefore you will burn I feel is just plain ignorant.

Once again this argument will happen until the second Coming, and there is no way I will ever change anyone's minds. But I feel that if you are a Christian and you force someone away because you think they are sinning and not welcoming them into your Church or towards God's Word then that is much worst than what sin that person is tackling. If the person asks for help for his sin then help, teach, council, and try not to judge him/her. That should go across the board. Only God knows what is truly in that person's heart.

Homosexuals are welcome at my church, they just won't stay that way if they keep going.

 

[Thanson1975]

Homosexuals are welcome at my church, they just won't stay that way if they keep going.

That is great if that is the answers they seek. I just hope your Church also address other forms of sin and how to combat them as well.

 

[LaylieCalmMind]

Being homosexual is going against the order of nature as God says

Could you choose to stop being heterosexual? Someone trying to force themselves to be attracted to a sex they are not never succeeds. You couldn't choose to be sexually attracted to men, I couldn't choose to be sexually attracted to women, we were born heterosexuals. Put yourself in the homosexuals shoes for a moment, think about how they can't help that they're gay any more than you can help that you're straight... Would be painful right? Being ridiculed and hated, told you cannot be a Christian? That you'll go to hell? Please have some empathy for these people... And on another note, homosexuality commonly occurs in numerous species of animals, so it's not unnatural, and even if it were, still not hurting anyone.

Laylie... It is easier for them to point fault at those that are gay than condemning pride, or lust or greed, things that most practicing Christians have struggled with.

It's not the same as struggling with pride or greed though. Those are two things which are self serving and inconsiderate of others. And homosexuality is the way these people are, they can't help it. It's not something they can change or get over, like pride or greed.

 

[giantone]

Could you, hypothetically, stop being a heterosexual and give up the heterosexual way of life?

What you're asking homosexuals to do is the same thing.

People in prison do it all the time.

 

[Israel]

As I said I knew it would be a short time before someone threw those letters out at me. I do not ignore them but I also like reading the context. In Leviticus it is in black and white, no argument... but there are countless other "abominations" that the Lord states, from shell fish to cutting one's beard. Does it make it right or wrong? Wrong according to the Word of God. My point here is that this book of rules shows that we ALL are guilty of God's Word.

Now for Romans. In the first Chapter Paul is quite upset about seeing all the false idols being worshiped and the godlessness of these people. He gives tons of examples of the wrongs he sees. Continuing in Chapter 2:1-16. But once again we can see how in today's world we have woman that are not sub to their husbands, does that mean they are sinners? Or is it safe to say that all of us are sinners, which could be a common point out of all of Paul's letters.

Of course people will say if you are a homosexual then you are good unless you are a practicing homosexual(?). Ok, I guess that means if you are having sex. Here is what I say to that, I figure most on this board and in this topic are heterosexual. Can one say that if you are over age 18 then you are no longer a virgin. When you lost your virginity were you 1) Married, 2) Procreating. If you break either of those guidelines then you are sinning just as the homosexual is. Now granted if you are married that means no sexual contact unless it is for procreation. Also then if you are a divorced you are committing adultery, another sin.

So are homosexuals to burn in hell forever and ever? I think hell is going to be pretty much filled, unless of course you know and acknowledge you sinned and ask for forgiveness.

You are right, as all "sin" is an abomination to God. Even lies.

 

[violakat]

Here's the problem so many people have with the Bible, God's Word Does not Change."For I am the LORD, I do not change; " Malachi 3:6a. So if the Bible states in the Old Testament, that homosexuality is a sin, then it's a sin today (and several people have already referenced several verses in Lev. that I'm not going to point them out). It doesn't matter what we think, but what God thinks. What does matter on our part is how we treat people who are homosexuals, meaning that we should be treated someone who's gay like they are a person, because they are. Yet at the same time, we have to be clear upon our stance when it comes to homosexuality. Should we avoid them on the streets, no. But should we give them the right to marry? Not unless we also give murderers the right to kill, adulterers the right to commit adultery, and people the right to change God's law.

 

[Israel]

Here's the problem so many people have with the Bible, God's Word Does not Change."For I am the LORD, I do not change; " Malachi 3:6a. So if the Bible states in the Old Testament, that homosexuality is a sin, then it's a sin today (and several people have already referenced several verses in Lev. that I'm not going to point them out). It doesn't matter what we think, but what God thinks. What does matter on our part is how we treat people who are homosexuals, meaning that we should be treated someone who's gay like they are a person, because they are. Yet at the same time, we have to be clear upon our stance when it comes to homosexuality. Should we avoid them on the streets, no. But should we give them the right to marry? Not unless we also give murderers the right to kill, adulterers the right to commit adultery, and people the right to change God's law.

Is eating pork a sin as well?

 

[djness]

Here's the problem so many people have with the Bible, God's Word Does not Change."For I am the LORD, I do not change; " Malachi 3:6a. So if the Bible states in the Old Testament, that homosexuality is a sin, then it's a sin today (and several people have already referenced several verses in Lev. that I'm not going to point them out). It doesn't matter what we think, but what God thinks. What does matter on our part is how we treat people who are homosexuals, meaning that we should be treated someone who's gay like they are a person, because they are. Yet at the same time, we have to be clear upon our stance when it comes to homosexuality. Should we avoid them on the streets, no. But should we give them the right to marry? Not unless we also give murderers the right to kill, adulterers the right to commit adultery, and people the right to change God's law.

There ya go. That's the right answer.

 

[LaylieCalmMind]

But should we give them the right to marry? Not unless we also give murderers the right to kill

Stop comparing homosexuality to murder and other acts that hurt people and display cruelty... It's not even slightly fair, and it's astoundingly offensive.

Here's the problem so many people have with the Bible, God's Word Does not Change."For I am the LORD, I do not change; " Malachi 3:6a. So if the Bible states in the Old Testament, that homosexuality is a sin, then it's a sin today (and several people have already referenced several verses in Lev. that I'm not going to point them out).

God's word also says that shellfish, haircuts, and tattoos are wrong. It says numerous types of people should be put to death, including rude children, adulterers, homosexuals, blasphemers, people who work on the sabbath, and people who have sex outside of marriage... Believing in the Bible is fine, but you can't take all of it at a literal interpretation and apply 100% of it to the modern world.

 

[djness]

Is eating pork a sin as well?

No.
Matthew 15:11
What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.'"

 

[Thanson1975]

Not unless we also give murderers the right to kill, adulterers the right to commit adultery, and people the right to change God's law.

Matt: 22:36-40.

That nullifies your statement, Homosexuals that want to get married in most cases are just wanting what is entitled under the law, and could care less what you think of marriage (contrary to what Fox News tells you). The line you decide to use is not acceptable when Christ tells us to Worship God and Love our Neighbor. You give the example of Murder and adultery both against those commandments.

 

[Israel]

No.
Matthew 15:11
What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.'"

This was in response to God not changing. If it is understood this way, then eating pork would be a sin as well.

 

[djness]

Stop comparing homosexuality to murder and other acts that hurt people and display cruelty... It's not even slightly fair, and it's astoundingly offensive.



God's word also says that shellfish, haircuts, and tattoos are wrong. It says numerous types of people should be put to death, including rude children, adulterers, homosexuals, blasphemers, people who work on the sabbath, and people who have sex outside of marriage... Believing in the Bible is fine, but you can't take all of it at a literal interpretation and apply 100% of it to the modern world.

So do you want sin to be acceptable to God Laylie?
These people are saying practicing homosexuality is a sin. You are saying we should treat homosexuals like human being.
Jesus ate with tax collectors and prostitutes, but he didn't take part in what they did.

You seem to want the loving God without the Judging God and unfortunately he just isn't that way.

 

[Thanson1975]

...You are saying we should treat homosexuals like human being.

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Wow... are you saying they aren't?

I guess that says a lot about you.

 

[Hearer]

Is eating pork a sin as well?

Jesus didi away with food/dietary restrictions but not restictions on fornication.

Jesus said: Do you not discern and see that whatever goes into a man from the outside cannot make him unhallowed or unclean,
Mark ch 719Since it does not reach and enter his heart but [only his] digestive tract, and so passes on [into the place designed to receive waste]? Thus He was making and declaring all foods [ceremonially] clean [that is, abolishing the ceremonial distinctions of the Levitical Law].

[However lust and fornication are sins of the heart/mind and are not just ceremonial.]

21For from within, [that is] out of the hearts of men, come base and wicked thoughts, sexual immorality, stealing, murder, adultery.

[Homosexuality as well as adultery and heterosexual formication are all impure and sinful]

Read Mark chapter 7 verses 18 to 23

This does not excuse heterosexuals who commit fornication and adultery nor excuse homsexuals because homsexual acts are lusts and fornications outside procreative marriage.

But this also does not mean we should have hatred in our hearts towards others but that we should ourselves avoid such sin.

 

[violakat]

Thanson, I'm simply saying, Homosexuality goes against God's Law as well.

And what does Fox news have to do with anything anyway?