Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.

[Truth7t7]

Here's the order of main end times events:

1. Satan starts the Great Tribulation using two beasts, ten kings, and the mark of the beast etc.
2. The Great Tribulation ends at the sounding of the 7th trump and the second coming.
3. The resurrection of the dead in Christ and the changing and rapturing the living saints up to the clouds to meet Christ and his army.
4. The larger army continues to follow Christ down to where the battle of Armageddon takes place.
5. The army gathered there is slain and the two beasts are cast into the Lake of Fire and Satan is imprisoned in the pit.
6. Christ and his immortal saints rule with a rod of iron over the unsaved nations for a thousand years.
7. After the thousand years Satan is released and go to the nations and deceives a great many to go to and surround Jerusalem.
8. Fire comes down from God the Father in heaven and those people are killed. 9. Satan is cast into the Lake of Fire.
9. The rest of the dead resurrect and are judged at the Great White Throne Judgement and are cast into the Lake of Fire.
10. The New Heavens and New Earth takes place and New Jerusalem descends from Heaven and an eternal age begins for those who are written in the Book of Life.

Everyone should already know the scriptures pertaining to those events.

Order Of Events:

Jesus Christ returns,resurrection of all, catching up of believers, the heavens and earth are (Dissolved) by the Lords fire, judgement complete,wicked lake of fire, righteous eternal New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem

All In The Twinkling Of An Eye

The sounding of the 7th Trump is the end, times does not exist beyond it, eternity begins.

Revelation 10:6-7KJV
6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

 

[ewq1938]

Order Of Events:

Jesus Christ returns,resurrection of all, catching up of believers, the heavens and earth are (Dissolved) by the Lords fire, judgement

So they are resurrected and then die in this fire before ever getting judged at the GWT? Are they resurrected twice? Obviously this is not the proper order of events. Revelation assures us "the rest of the dead lived not again" until after the thousand years so that's automatically a reference to a second resurrection that is a thousand years after the first one.

The sounding of the 7th Trump is the end, times does not exist beyond it, eternity begins.

Time obviously exists past the second coming because in the very least the resurrection of the unsaved and being judged happens and that takes some time plus the eternity is time never ending and the tree of life having fruit every month literally forever of time. A lack of studying always leads to these types of bad theology.

 

[ewq1938]

the heavens and earth are (Dissolved) by the Lords fire, judgement

You have this wrong also. Clearly the NHNE is AFTER the day of judgment not before it:

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

 

[Truth7t7]

lol
here is what your teachers failed to teach you;
7 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

ooooops
those pesky verses your teachers failed to mention.

The words teach nothing more than the Lords unexpected return for those unaware and not watching

You act as if you have some exceptional knowledge of the scripturr

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

The tares are burned at the GWTJ of course.

In both passages I pointed out, the matter being addressed is "the end [singular] of the age [singular]" (which is [immediately] followed by "the age [SINGULAR] to come" aka the earthly MK age [singular]; and "age [singular]" always speaks in connection to EARTH-time / -history... NOT "eternity / forever" [which, instead, is "the ages [plural] of the ages [plural]"]).



Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50 "the end [singular] of the age [singular]" is the exact thing His disciples LATER *asked* Him about in Matthew 24:3, and His response follows in those two chapters (meaning, both Matt13 and Matt24-25 are speaking of the same points in the chronology, which is His "RETURN" to the earth / His Second Coming to the earth FOR the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom... "WHEN the Son of man SHALL COME in his glory, and all the angels with him, THEN shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered ALL THE NATIONS..." ("nations" are ON THE EARTH--these are "still-living" persons, not "resurrected" ones, in this scene/context, at the time of His Second Coming / "RETURN" to the earth--Compare also Matthew 24:42-51 with Luke 12:36-37,38,40,42-44,45-48 "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding..." THEN the meal [G347]!! [the EARTHLY MK age (singular), aka "the age [SINGULAR] to come" He spoke of...])

 

[ewq1938]

Your posts are too hard to read so I'll pass on this one.

In both passages I pointed out, the matter being addressed is "the end [singular] of the age [singular]" (which is [immediately] followed by "the age [SINGULAR] to come" aka the earthly MK age [singular]; and "age [singular]" always speaks in connection to EARTH-time / -history... NOT "eternity / forever" [which, instead, is "the ages [plural] of the ages [plural]"]).



Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50 "the end [singular] of the age [singular]" is the exact thing His disciples LATER *asked* Him about in Matthew 24:3, and His response follows in those two chapters (meaning, both Matt13 and Matt24-25 are speaking of the same points in the chronology, which is His "RETURN" to the earth / His Second Coming to the earth FOR the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom... "WHEN the Son of man SHALL COME in his glory, and all the angels with him, THEN shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered ALL THE NATIONS..." ("nations" are ON THE EARTH--these are "still-living" persons, not "resurrected" ones, in this scene/context, at the time of His Second Coming / "RETURN" to the earth--Compare also Matthew 24:42-51 with Luke 12:36-37,38,40,42-44,45-48 "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding..." THEN the meal [G347]!! [the EARTHLY MK age (singular)])

 

[Truth7t7]

So they are resurrected and then die in this fire before ever getting judged at the GWT? Are they resurrected twice? Obviously this is not the proper order of events. Revelation assures us "the rest of the dead lived not again" until after the thousand years so that's automatically a reference to a second resurrection that is a thousand years after the first one.

Once you understand that Jesus Christ returns in fire and Final judgement, then you will understand

Nobody teaches the truth of this fiery return, because they have a Pre-Determined "Bias" in maintaining a false Millennial Kingdom on this earth that will be (Dissolved)

The living believers on earth at the Lords return pass through the Lords fire in judgement, to the eternal New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem

The wicked are caught in this fire for eternity, the Lake of fire

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

@ewq1938 , Keep in mind that even here (in the passage below), it says THIS (which is NOT speaking of the GWTj just because "fire/flame" is being mentioned):

"23 And in Hades, having lifted up his eyes, being in torment, he sees Abraham from afar, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And having cried out, he said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me and send Lazarus, that he might dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am suffering [/tormented] in this flame.’"

 

[ewq1938]

You won't learn anything if you keep ignoring the errors in your theology. I pointed out several to you and you just ignore them. That's fine but it's a sign that you cannot defend against the critiques. I was raised believing in similar things like all the dead being resurrected and judged at the same time until I actually looked at all the passages that cover that and realized it wasn't true. I once wrote, "It's ok to be wrong but it's not ok to stay wrong."

Once you understand that Jesus Christ returns in fire and Final judgement, then you will understand

Nobody teaches the truth of this fiery return, because they have a Pre-Determined "Bias" in maintaining a false Millennial Kingdom on this earth that will be (Dissolved)

The living believers on earth at the Lords return pass through the Lords fire in judgement, to the eternal New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem

The wicked are caught in this fire for eternity, the Lake of fire

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Your posts are too hard to read so I'll pass on this one.

Matthew 24-25 is speaking of the same thing as Matthew 13.

Are you saying these are both talking about "the GWTj" ??





[I'm pointing out how your "chronology" is "off"]

 

[Truth7t7]

You won't learn anything if you keep ignoring the errors in your theology. I pointed out several to you and you just ignore them. That's fine but it's a sign that you cannot defend against the critiques. I was raised believing in similar things like all the dead being resurrected and judged at the same time until I actually looked at all the passages that cover that and realized it wasn't true. I once wrote, "It's ok to be wrong but it's not ok to stay wrong."

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[ewq1938]

Matthew 24-25 is speaking of the same thing as Matthew 13.

Are you saying these are both talking about "the GWTj" ??

You need to post the specific verses not entire chapters.

 

[ewq1938]

Yeah, the very typical and expected copy and paste avoidance so you don't have to address the errors in your theology. This tells everyone that you are incorrect.

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Truth7t7]

Matthew 24-25 is speaking of the same thing as Matthew 13.

Are you saying these are both talking about "the GWTj" ??

Hes not lying,your post are tooooo hard to read, I have told you this several times in love

Caps, bold, underlines, different sizes

100% Chaos, I dont even look at your postings, confusion

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

You need to post the specific verses not entire chapters.

I DID just list the references... I expect the reader to look them up themselves, so that I don't have to make the post longer than it already is... since ppl tend to ignore anything lengthy or detailed.





His disciples and Jesus (in both passages, Matt24-25 AND Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50) are speaking regarding "the end [singular] of the age [singular]".

THAT time-period is followed by "the age [singular] to come" (Matt12:32) which is also "earthly-located" (because of what "age [singular]" means--in connection to earth-time).

 

[ewq1938]

I expect the reader to look them up themselves

No thanks.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

No thanks.

Well, you clearly are not grasping that "the end [singular] of the age [singular]" (Matt24-25 / Matt13) is FOLLOWED BY "the age [singular] to come" (Matt12:32) which is also EARTHLY-located (i.e. the earthly MK age). Not at the GWTj point in the chronology, which they were NOT talking about in these passages (contrary to what you are putting forth).






[the disciples understood that much correctly]

 

[ewq1938]

Well, you clearly are not grasping that "the end [singular] of the age [singular]" (Matt24-25 / Matt13) is FOLLOWED BY "the age [singular] to come" (Matt12:32) which is also EARTHLY-located (i.e. the earthly MK age). Not at the GWTj point in the chronology, which they were NOT talking about in these passages (contrary to what you are putting forth).

The only thing I can understand in this is the last part and that's wrong. The burning of the tares is an analogy of the GWTJ and the LOF.

 

[ewq1938]

Also, the very part of Matthew 25 is also the same time period, GWTJ and LOF.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Also, the very part of Matthew 25 is also the same time period, GWTJ and LOF.

Nope.

ALL "Son of man cometh / coming / shall come / coming of / etc" speak of His Second Coming to the earth context (to judge/govern/reign... on/over the earth; i.e. the earthly MK age)

See Matt25:31-34 (in that context): "WHEN the Son of man shall come"