Nephilim On The Ark

[happygal]

In Noah’s day disobedient angels materialized, married women, fathered a hybrid generation known as Nephilim, and then dematerialized when the Flood came. (Ge 6:1-4) However, upon returning to the spirit realm, they did not regain their lofty original position, for Jude 6 says: “The angels that did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place he has reserved with eternal bonds under dense darkness for the judgment of the great day.” (1Pe 3:19, 20) So it is in this condition of dense spiritual darkness that they must now confine their operations. (2Pe 2:4) Though evidently restrained from materializing, they still have great power and influence over the minds and lives of men, even having the ability to enter into and possess humans and animals, and the facts show that they also use inanimate things such as houses, fetishes, and charms.—Mt 12:43-45; Lu 8:27-33. Only Noah and his 3 sons and their 3 wives were saved on the ark. All other people on the earth at that time died in the flood. There are no Nephilim on the earth today.

 

[kenneth2816]

Well you say angels "are still coming to the earth and sinning" Where are they coming from? I understand the concpet of "and after" but I dopn't accept thart nephilim are/were angelic beings who fathered off spring with human beings.

So my original question was what is your source information that angels are still coming to the earth and impregnating humans?

 

[kenneth2816]

In Noah’s day disobedient angels materialized, married women, fathered a hybrid generation known as Nephilim, and then dematerialized when the Flood came. (Ge 6:1-4) However, upon returning to the spirit realm, they did not regain their lofty original position, for Jude 6 says: “The angels that did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place he has reserved with eternal bonds under dense darkness for the judgment of the great day.” (1Pe 3:19, 20) So it is in this condition of dense spiritual darkness that they must now confine their operations. (2Pe 2:4) Though evidently restrained from materializing, they still have great power and influence over the minds and lives of men, even having the ability to enter into and possess humans and animals, and the facts show that they also use inanimate things such as houses, fetishes, and charms.—Mt 12:43-45; Lu 8:27-33. Only Noah and his 3 sons and their 3 wives were saved on the ark. All other people on the earth at that time died in the flood. There are no Nephilim on the earth today.

Op cit an earlier post of mine stating that angelic beings who impregnate humans is against the immutbale law of God's creation which says "each will reporduce after its kind".

Now you say they are not ON the earth anymore, but they can posess houses and other inatimate objects, possess animals/humans and still exert a demonic control on human beings? So do they do this from remote control? since you say they are not even on the earth today, how does all this work?

 

[MaggieMye]

Though evidently restrained from materializing, There is NO scripture to support that they no longer materialize. In fact, even in the NT, angles always had the appearance of men. If they ever came in their true form, people would have heart atttacks and die for fright...because of their awesomeness. they still have great power and influence over the minds and lives of men,THey do NOT have power over the minds of men. That would be to violate the free will that God has given us. The SOLE purpose of angels coming to earth is to bring messages or help. You will find no other reason given in scripture. even having the ability to enter into and possess humans and animals, and the facts show that they also use inanimate things such as houses, fetishes, and charms. Are you serious?? ANGELS do NOT enter into humans!! NOT EVER and there is no scripture that will support this heretical concept.—Mt 12:43-45;You need to learn the DIFFERENCE between angels and demons. they are completely SEPARATE beings. So the scripture you cite here is completely irrelevant. Lu 8:27-33Again...ANGELS are NOT demons. Fallen angels are STILL angels and do not morph or transform into demons. There is no scripture to support that angels become anything, other than earth-bound if they sin. Only Noah and his 3 sons and their 3 wives were saved on the ark. All other people on the earth at that time died in the flood. There are no Nephilim on the earth today. "and after" MEANS after those days, Noah's days. Not to mention the fact that the government has evidence of them still being here today. But the ignorant masses tend to look at such people and cultures as 'deformed' rather than true form....it's one of the ways Satan can keep his dirty business hidden. Hos 4:6

 

[willfollowsGod]

No, there were no Nephilim on the Ark. As for angels not having sex, that has to do with in heaven not earth. Keep in mind these are deviant angels not the ones who decided to follow God but the ones who decided to follow their selfish,evil desires and their insatiable lust for women. These Nephilim, half-angel, half-human hybrids were part of Satan's plan to stop the birth of Jesus Christ. Then, The Flood wiped them out. But they came again after the Flood. So to make it short, there were no Nephilim on the Ark, but the events of Noah's day kept on going on and might still be going on when we don't see it happening. Plus if these Nephilim were not half-angel, half-human beings, then why does Peter and Jude compare their sin to the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. I am just wondering, I have done my research, and none of my research can say that Nephilim were on the Ark. God bless. I hope that you find the answer to your question in God's word. For the Nephilim on the Ark I would say that the Bible says no to that scenario.

 

[Avinu]

Kenneth2816, you keep saying that for the fallen angels to come to earth and be sexual with the daughters of men is against the immutable law of God. But the problem is they broke every law of God there is to brake, or are you saying that God wouldn't allow them to? But as I previously stated, it has been proven Biblically, historically and archeaologically that nephilim are the offspring of fallen angels having sex with daughters of men. Shalom

 

[kenneth2816]

Avinu:

I am saying that for this to be possible, these beings would have to be of a force STRONGER than God to effect a breach in His laws of the universe, ie: two created beings which WERE created to the extent there could be no off spring anymore than a human and an animal coould bear offspring. Yes, God is supernatural and if He WILLED it, it could happen. but He did not will it. Immutable law of "after its own kind" see?


You say it has been proven biblically, historically and archeologically. I refute this and ask for your evidence other than a single misconstured verse in ancient Hebrew.

I realize nothing will sway you from your opinions, but I am curious....

 

[kenneth2816]

Though evidently restrained from materializing, There is NO scripture to support that they no longer materialize. In fact, even in the NT, angles always had the appearance of men. If they ever came in their true form, people would have heart atttacks and die for fright...because of their awesomeness. they still have great power and influence over the minds and lives of men,THey do NOT have power over the minds of men. That would be to violate the free will that God has given us. The SOLE purpose of angels coming to earth is to bring messages or help. You will find no other reason given in scripture. even having the ability to enter into and possess humans and animals, and the facts show that they also use inanimate things such as houses, fetishes, and charms. Are you serious?? ANGELS do NOT enter into humans!! NOT EVER and there is no scripture that will support this heretical concept.—Mt 12:43-45;You need to learn the DIFFERENCE between angels and demons. they are completely SEPARATE beings. So the scripture you cite here is completely irrelevant. Lu 8:27-33Again...ANGELS are NOT demons. Fallen angels are STILL angels and do not morph or transform into demons. There is no scripture to support that angels become anything, other than earth-bound if they sin. Only Noah and his 3 sons and their 3 wives were saved on the ark. All other people on the earth at that time died in the flood. There are no Nephilim on the earth today. "and after" MEANS after those days, Noah's days. Not to mention the fact that the government has evidence of them still being here today. But the ignorant masses tend to look at such people and cultures as 'deformed' rather than true form....it's one of the ways Satan can keep his dirty business hidden. Hos 4:6

You are serious? Our GOVERNMENT has evidence?

 

[Avinu]

Kenneth, if God allows every imaginable sin to be committed since the dawn of creation, why is it hard to believe that this is just as possible? I have no desire to fight with you or anyone on here, this is just discussion, agreed? I will be the first to admit that there are alot of things that are on the internet that are bogus, but if you google "evidence of nephilim" you will find an insane amount of historical and archeaological proofs of them. Shalom

 

[MaggieMye]

Kenneth: When angels come to the earth, they come IN THE FORM OF man; they eat, sleep/rest and have the ability to do everything that humans can do....including sex. Do you really think any woman, then or now, would puposely engage in relationsihp or intercourse IF SHE COULD SEE THAT THE 'PERSON' WAS NOT HUMAN??? No, they would run screaming in the opposite direction. But because the angels LOOK and FUNCTION as humans, the women are decived.

You are serious? Our GOVERNMENT has evidence? Think....Area 51 !! Hello! Believe it! It has been documented time and again. THe Gov. wants you to THINK that it is all 'conspiriacy theory' malarky, but it is not.
Maggie

 

[Megatron]

wow..this has become the funniest and most insane argument ive seen in a while. Area 51? Govt Conspiracies? Obama is part nephilim?

 

[Avinu]

There are over 30 verses in the scriptures that talk about the nephilim. Shalom

 

[AnandaHya]

1 Peter 3:18-22 (New King James Version)

Christ’s Suffering and Ours
18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us[a] to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. 21 There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him.

 

[happygal]

One writer is correct in that regarding God's creation "each will reproduce after its kind", however it was IMPOSSIBLE for angels in heaven to have sex. That's why a number of good angels disobeyed God and came to earth and TOOK ON HUMAN FORM to have sex with human women. Same kind...both human.
God had not commissioned them to carry out any assignment on earth (they DISOBEYED God). Instead, they “forsook their own proper dwelling place” in the spirit realm. (Jude 6) Their motives were selfish. They took wives, who gave birth to hybrid offspring called Nephilim. The Nephilim and their rebellious fathers filled the earth with violence and other great badness. (Genesis 6:1-5) God dealt with the situation by bringing the global Deluge of Noah’s day. Floodwaters destroyed wicked men and women and the Nephilim dematerialized.
The Flood forced them back into the spirit realm. God, however, prevented them from resuming “their original position.” (Jude 6) The Bible states: “God did not hold back from punishing the angels that sinned, but, by throwing them into Tartarus, delivered them to pits of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment.”—2 Peter 2:4.
Tartarus is NOT a particular location; it is a prisonlike, abased condition that LIMITS the activity of these outcasts. Now called demons, they can no longer materialize, but they still have great power and influence over minds and lives. They can possess humans and animals. When I stated that there are no Nephilim on the earth today, I should have mentioned that they are not here in the hybrid human form still producing more deformed offspring, nor are any of their offspring here. They are still around here among us though as demons forbidden to materialize.
The angels who disobey God are called "demons". Even the great archangel Lucifer became Satan the devil. Satan and his demons do not need the "modern technology of remote control from a far off place" to influence us or to possess things. They are right here on the earth among us.
One writer says, "ANGELS are NOT demons. Fallen angels are STILL angels and do not morph or transform into demons."There is no scripture to support that angels become anything, other than earth-bound if they sin."
So...where did the demons come from? Are you saying that our awesome loving God created demons as demons?
Look up "demon" in the dictionary. Online Wikipedia states, "Many of the demons in literature were once fallen angels." "Some denominations asserting Christian faith also include, exclusively or otherwise, fallen angels as de facto demons; this definition also covers the "sons of God" described in Genesis who abandoned their posts in heaven to mate with human women on Earth before the Deluge."
God flooded the entire earth to wipe the Nephilim out. Are you saying that God missed some?
As far as your thoughts on Area 51, Wikipedia says "The intense secrecy surrounding the base, the very existence of which the U.S. government barely acknowledges, has made it the frequent subject of conspiracy theories and a central component to unidentified flying object (UFO) folklore."
I choose to believe what the bible says about the Nephilim, rather than what the government "which is lying in the power of the wicked one" (1 John 5:19) says about deformed Nephilim offspring still being here on earth.

 

[DiscipleWilliam]

There where no Nephilim on the Ark. The Ark was for the salvation of Noah and his posterity as well as many animals. The flood did not wipe out all of the Nephilim in there entirety(Gen. 6:4). That was accomplished by the Isralites later under the leadership of David. The main purpose of the flood was to rid the earth of societal reprobation in humanity. The "sons of God" is a title that refers to Angels within this particular context. Jude even hints at this transgression committed by these Angelic entities. The transgression that the "sons of God" committed, in the original manuscripts was liken unto bestiality, so we know that this could not have been just an unholy union committed solely between mankind. Currently, there are no physical Nephilim in existence upon the earth today.

 

[happygal]

Verse 4 can be tricky, but after much extensive research, here's the explanation that I found which answers "in which days? and after when?"
The Nephilim proved to be in the earth in those days (when God said: “My spirit shall not act toward man indefinitely in that he is also flesh. Accordingly his days shall amount to a hundred and twenty years."),
and also after that (when God said: “My spirit shall not act toward man indefinitely in that he is also flesh. Accordingly his days shall amount to a hundred and twenty years."),
when the sons of the true God CONTINUED to have relations with the daughters of men...

In other words...The evil Nephilim were on the earth both BEFORE AND AFTER GOD'S STATEMENT TO NOAH (quoted above) that he was going to set a 120 year time limit for the existence of that ALREADY EVIL UNGODLY WORLD. Then, AFTER GOD'S STATEMENT TO NOAH, the sons of the true God CONTINUED to have relations with the daughters of men...(verse 4).
About 20 years after God's statement to Noah, Noah then fathered his 3 sons. Then the flood began about 40 or 50 years later.

This explains that the Nephilim were not here AFTER the flood, but AFTER GOD"S STATEMENT TO NOAH that he was going to flood evil from the earth.

Sound logical?

 

[serpentslayer]

Not necessarily, since the fallen angels came down and laid with the daughters of men and produced the nephilim the first time, there's nothing to indicate why they couldn't do it again. Shalom

Eve is the mother of all living, and she is to have respect because of the angels since she is their mother. You are simply regurgitating what somelse told you. And who ever said the Nephilim were 'fallen angels'? Again, you believe in assumptions.

For a truth, Adam and Eve were the only two beings created in the Beginning (just as Gen 1 & 2 prove), and Adam was created in the image (a man) of the LORD, and after HIs Likeness (light: EZ:1-26-28, 1Jn1:7). As such, they were the first 'angelic host': and from them were all others to come. If this is not so, then GEN ! & 2 are incomplete, and the LORD withheld the TRUTH. THus the nephilim must also be the children of Adam (or his descendant).

I'll bet everyone who reads this will not only say i am nuts, but also that GOD made us all 'taste' a physical death because Adam ate fruit which truly was good, edible fruit, but which was forbidden from being eaten. Would any of you kill your child, or even cut off his or her hand for such an offense? Well, GOD is more just than you, so neither did HE. We die (physically) because Adam lied to Eve in the Beginning. We all died spiritually the Day Adam first sinned.

 

[AnandaHya]

why wouldn't angels be in the order of living creatures? cherubim and seraphim are angels and they don't sound like humans or descendents of Eve to me...

are you saying that humans used to be angels?

Genesis 1
20 Then God said, “Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.” 21 So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.” 23 So the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind”; and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

 

[Barbet]

The starting question is fairly easy to anwer since the answer is in gen 6:9 :

9These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

I think the KJV is the closest translation to the origional text. Being perfect in his generation is very important since in the same chapter the most wicked thing is happening: intercourse with demons. In any case this is part of of the reason of Gods flood: if all generations would be defilled by this demonic practise, it would be impossible for God to find a generation that is just human, so that Jesus could be born as human and not as some sort of demonic hybrid. God defended his plan to save the world. That these demonic form of offspring occur later in the bible as well only shows that the practices of this evil did not stop.

(source Chuck Missler)

 

[MaggieMye]

One writer is correct in that regarding God's creation "each will reproduce after its kind", however it was IMPOSSIBLE for angels in heaven to have sex.

That's why a number of good angels disobeyed God and came to earth and TOOK ON HUMAN FORM to have sex with human women. Same kind...both human. Scripture does not support that the angels came to earth TO HAVE SEX. Angels can not come to earth (or anywhere else for that matter) without specific commission from God.​

They DISOBEYED God).once they got here. Instead, they “forsook their own proper dwelling place” in the spirit realm. (Jude 6) Their motives were selfish. They took wives, who gave birth to hybrid offspring called Nephilim. The Nephilim and their rebellious fathers filled the earth with violence and other great badness. (Genesis 6:1-5) God dealt with the situation by bringing the global Deluge of Noah’s day. Floodwaters destroyed wicked men and women and the Nephilim dematerialized. Dematerialized? Like...vaporized?? Ummm No. They drowned like all the humans not on the arc. Some of their skeletons have been found. (Although there was a batch of pictures of huge human-like skeletons being circulated via email a while back, there is documentation of true findings.)
The Flood forced them back into the spirit realm. NOT SCRIPTURAL!! God, however, prevented them from resuming “their original position.” SIN and REBELLION can NOT exist in heaven!! (Jude 6) The Bible states: “God did not hold back from punishing the angels that sinned, but, by throwing them into Tartarus, delivered them to pits of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment.”—2 Peter 2:4. This references the angels that left heaven to go with LUCIFER...NOT the ones that came to have relations with humans.
Tartarus This word is not found in the NASB nor the KJVis NOT a particular location; it is a prisonlike, abased condition that LIMITS the activity of these outcasts. Now called demons, NOW CALLED??? NO!! ANGELS ARE ANGELS AND DEMONS ARE DEMONS. Why can't you wrap your brain around the FACT that God created both angels AND demons for His purposes?? God created ALL things. Nowhere in scripture are angels, fallen or otherwise ever call demons.​

they can no longer materialize, but they still have great power and influence over minds and lives. They can possess humans and animals. When I stated that there are no Nephilim on the earth today, I should have mentioned that they are not here in the hybrid human form still producing more deformed offspring, nor are any of their offspring here. They are still around here among us though as demons forbidden to materialize. It would do you well to do some study on deliverance and spiritual warfare do you can get your theology correct. Demons are demons. Angels are Angels, fallen or not. The fallen ones are locked up. Some when they come to earth today sin and so are forever earthbound. In the form of man, they STILL procreate. They spawn Nephilim to this day...not so easily recognized today because the human race, itself, has gotten larger due to advances in nutrition, but they are here!! Many Biblicalscholars and scientists think that even Obama may have some Nephilim blood
The angels who disobey God are called "demons". NO, THEY ARE NOT CALLED DEMONS You cannot show even ONE reference in scripture where and ANGEL is called a DEMON. Disobedient angels are called "sinful", "rebellious", and even, 'damned', but they are NOT called "demons". Even the great archangel Lucifer became Satan the devil. The devil is not a demon. He is an angel who chose to rebell when he became filled with pride. "demons" are sometimes referred to as 'devils' but that does not make them angels. They are called that because of their CHARACTER. You need to read things in context and stop assuming something is true, just because someone told you it was that way. Satan and his demons do not need the "modern technology of remote control from a far off place" to influence us or to possess things. They are right here on the earth among us. Demons can enter a person...hence the term 'demonized'. The devil will enter someone in the future, ...hence the term 'anti-Christ' who will be present and on the earth at some point during the End Times before the return of Christ.
One writer says, "ANGELS are NOT demons. Fallen angels are STILL angels and do not morph or transform into demons."There is no scripture to support that angels become anything, other than earth-bound if they sin."
So...where did the demons come from? Are you saying that our awesome loving God created demons as demons? Hello? He created ALL things. What is so hard to understand about that?
Look up "demon" in the dictionary. Online Wikipedia states, "Many of the demons in literature were once fallen angels." Do not trust Wikipedia. You can go in and change the meanings if you know how. The word 'demon' is NOT in the KJV. In the NASB's concordance, it says to "see devil/devils" Reference number 1142 simply says 'Evil spirit'. It does NOT say evil angel. "Some denominations asserting Christian faith also include, exclusively or otherwise, fallen angels as de facto demons; And they would be wrong. this definition also covers the "sons of God" described in Genesis who abandoned their posts in heaven to mate with human women on Earth before the Deluge." See above. IN THE FORM OF MEN, they lusted in their hearts and bodies and had sex. They did NOT come for the purpose of having sex.
God flooded the entire earth to wipe the Nephilim out. Are you saying that God missed some? No. I'm saying, then angels still come today and some sin and cannot return to heaven and so ...the story goes.
As far as your thoughts on Area 51, Wikipedia says "The intense secrecy surrounding the base, the very existence of which the U.S. government barely acknowledges, has made it the frequent subject of conspiracy theories and a central component to unidentified flying object (UFO) folklore." Again...do not trust Wikipedia. Rather trust the research of proven men and women of God, you are seasoned in the ministries of Deliverance and Spiritual Warfare and have reliable contacts in the Gov. that confirm the existance of these creatures and that our own Gov is hiding these things from us because they want to study their technology so as to use it against us as a way of controlling the masses during the time of the anti-christ.
I choose to believe what the bible says about the Nephilim, rather than what the government "which is lying in the power of the wicked one" (1 John 5:19) says about deformed Nephilim offspring still being here on earth. Well, the BIBLE says that they were on the earth during 'those days' (Noah's days) AND AFTER. What more do you want? Is not 2011 AFTER?? Where in scripture does it give a time reference for them NOT being here any longer... AFTER?? There is none!

And your following post about verse 4: You've taken it not only out of context, but attempt to add it to a context to which it is not related.
Get a book on Hermeneutics and learn how to rightly divide the verses.
Maggie​