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timps

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Roughsoul1991 said:
We are not to God yet. Jumping the gun. I agree. Why call to worship if you do not know who this God is or even if God exists.

Let me ask. What is the absence of space, time and matter?
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I have no idea what it is and it is not a concern of mine.
 
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timps said:
I have no idea what it is and it is not a concern of mine.
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It should be. Without space, time, and matter then you have nothing. Let us define nothing...
Nothing is what rocks dream about​
-Aristotle

Science only deals with things of the natural realm. So when will science explain how something came out of nothing? A supernatural event. Beyond nature.

A supernatural event needs a supernatural cause.
 
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timps said:
I’m surprised that you said the Bible is not perfect. Are you saying that God did not preserve his word and that we cannot trusted?
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With the bible I believe things have been lost in translation. As science indicates a artificial world I would reiterate that the bible contains more truth than not and it will be in ancient texts we find answers.
 
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timps said:
You have a very good point in the last paragraph and I agree with it. What you said in the first paragraph has some truth in it also in that people do look at God’s actions in the old testament and see a problem. Even Christians have a problem with the old testament and try to stay away from it.
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The Old Testament is a great book if you understand how to read the Bible and read the whole Bible both Old and New Testaments. They explain other events in different books. All of scripture compliments each other. One book with one message. Not 3000 different messages. The God of the Old is the same God of the New. People forget to read Revelation.
 
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timps said:
I’m surprised that you said the Bible is not perfect. Are you saying that God did not preserve his word and that we cannot trusted?
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It isn't perfect in translation BUT we know of the errors in order to correct them. The 1000s of manuscripts, fragments, letters testify to the Bible's accuracy. Far more than other historical figures like Alexander the Great or Julius Caesar.
 
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SoulSearcher said:
With the bible I believe things have been lost in translation. As science indicates a artificial world I would reiterate that the bible contains more truth than not and it will be in ancient texts we find answers.
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If something is lost. It would be possibly .1% of what we have because the amount of textual evidence and technology in textual criticism we see that Christians have had a accurate Bible leading back to it's creation and the early church fathers wrote the same message before that.
 
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Roughsoul1991 said:
If something is lost. It would be possibly .1% of what we have because the amount of textual evidence and technology in textual criticism we see that Christians have had a accurate Bible leading back to it's creation and the early church fathers wrote the same message before that.
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OK thanks, I'm still absorbing the information.
 
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timps

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SoulSearcher said:
John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
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I’ve heard it before. Unfortunately most of the world will be disqualified.
 
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timps said:
I’ve heard it before. Unfortunately most of the world will be disqualified.
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Quite a large number of people for being the leading religion has came to Jesus Christ for salvation in 2000+ years.
 
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timps said:
This is what’s wrong with Christianity. Everybody reads the same book comes up with completely different views. People are drawn to this because they want to belong to a group but I would never join because I care more about truth than fitting in.
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I asked you several pages back if you are interested in God?
Are you seeking him?
 
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timps said:
The only possible evidence is prophesy but a lot of them are suspect. What does it say when a "god" is so hidden from "His Creation" that people spend a lifetime sometimes "seeking" him and some of them end up in cults. If there was a god who loved his people, he would make himself plain. The choice some people have today is choosing evil or the Tammy Fay Bakers of the world which is all some people will ever see of Chritianity.
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If you are not looking for him with the right heart, he won't be found by you.
These are just excuses you are currently using to maintain your unbelief.

timps said:
I don’t even know what it means when you say God is not about rules but relationships. I wouldn’t have much of a relationship with my wife if I could never see, hear, touch, etc. her.
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Exactly, but why did you seek a relationship with your wife?
Was it because you wanted to know her? Or did you have another motive?

At the moment your motive concerning God isn't clear. You seem to have a bone of contention you want to pick with him.
You seem to think he OWES you something. It looks like you think he owes you physical proof of his existence.

He will reveal himself to a sincere heart, not a cynical one.
 
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timps

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Roughsoul1991 said:
I believe he is needing attention because he does not seem very interested in talking about evidence.
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I was in church for 30 years until I figured out that I needed to start thinking for myself and not just believe what I heard from men.
 
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