Was the Garden of Eden, literally Heaven on Earth? Was the Earth already fallen except for the Garden?

[Yahcubs777]

You are the only one far from the truth. That verse means there hasn't been any greater prophet than Moses in Israel at the time of that writing. Indeed, even now Moses is one of the greatest prophets of the bible.

https://www.orthodoxphotos.com/readings/messiah/moses.shtml

The Prophecies in the Books of Moses

The Prophet Moses, living 1500 years before the birth of Christ, recorded in his books the most ancient prophecies about the Savior of the world, which in the course of many millennia were kept through the oral legends of the Jews. Our foreparents, Adam and Eve, heard the first prediction of the Messiah in Eden, right after their savoring of the forbidden fruit. Then God told the devil, who had taken on the appearance of a snake: “And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed: it shall bruise [destroy] thy head, and thou shalt bruise His heel” (Gen. 3:15). With these words the Lord passed judgment on the devil and consoled our foreparents with the promise that at some time a Descendant of the Woman will strike the “head” itself of the snake-devil, who tempted them. But along with this, the woman’s Descendant Himself will suffer from the snake, who will as if “bruise his heel,” i.e., will cause Him physical suffering. Noteworthy also in this first prophecy is the nomenclature of the Messiah as the “Seed of the Woman,” which points to His extraordinary birth of a Woman, Who will conceive without the participation of a man. Here the absence of a physical father is significant considering in Old Testament times descendants were always identified paternally, not maternally. The given prophecy about the extraordinary birth of the Messiah is supported with a later prophecy of Isaiah (7:14), which we will discuss further on. According to the translations of the Targums of Onkelos (a number of translations or paraphrases of the various divisions of the Hebrew Old Testament in the Aramaic language) and of Jonathan, the Jews always considered the prophecy of the Seed of the Woman as pertaining to the Messiah. This prophecy about bruising was fulfilled, when the Lord Jesus Christ, having suffered on the Cross with His body, defeated the devil — that “old serpent” (Rev. 20:2) and took away from him any power over the human race.

The second prophecy about the Messiah is also found in the book of Genesis and speaks of the blessing, which will extend to all people from Him. This is spoken to the righteous Abraham, when he, through his willingness to bring his only son Isaac as a sacrifice, revealed his extreme devotion and obedience to God. Then God through an Angel promised to Abraham: “And in thy Seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice” (Gen. 22:18).

In the original text of this prophecy the word “Seed” stands in the singular, thus indicating, that in this promise the question is not about many, but about one definite Descendant, from Whom the blessing will extend to all people. The Jews always attributed this prophecy to the Messiah, understanding it, nevertheless, in the sense that the blessing must extend mainly on the chosen people. In the sacrifice, Abraham was the prototype of God the Father, and Isaac — of the Son of God, who would suffer on the cross. This parallel is mentioned in the Gospel, where it is said: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life” (John 3:16). The importance of this prophecy about the blessing of all nations in the Descendant of Abraham is evident from the fact, that God confirmed His promise with a vow.

The third prophecy about the Messiah was pronounced by the patriarch Jacob, the grandson of Abraham, when before his death, he blessed his 12 sons and predicted the future fate of his descendants. For Judah he predicted: “The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come, and unto him shall the gathering of the people be” (Gen. 49:10). According to the translation of the 70 interpreters this prophecy has the following alternative: “until comes He, to Whom it is given (determined) to come, and He will be the hope of nations.” Here the scepter symbolizes power. This prophecy states that the descendants of Judah will have their own leaders and lawgivers until the time when the Messiah-Shiloh (Conciliator) comes. The word Shiloh (Conciliator) reveals a new feature in the characterization of His activities: He will eliminate the enmity between people and God, arising as a result of sin (the Angels sang about this elimination of hostility between heaven and earth when Christ was born: “Glory to God in the highest, and on earth PEACE, good will toward men” (Luke 2:14).

So you post me a bunch of nosense that is from who? Who is the Prophet that said this?

There is the Law, which is Moses, and the Prophets...

 

[reneweddaybyday]

There not arose not a Prophet doesn't mean Moses is a prophet. It means there hasn't been anyone greater than moses in Israel.

Moses is the Law. How can all of you be so far from this truth?

Do you know what a prophet is? A prophet is a spokesman ... one who speaks what God reveals.


Deuteronomy 18:15-18 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not. And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.


Did you know Abraham was a prophet?

 

[Dino246]

There not arose not a Prophet doesn't mean Moses is a prophet. It means there hasn't been anyone greater than moses in Israel.

Moses is the Law. How can all of you be so far from this truth?

When it appears that everyone else is out of step, one should carefully consider his own position.

 

[Yahcubs777]

Do you know what a prophet is? A prophet is a spokesman ... one who speaks what God reveals.


Deuteronomy 18:15-18 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not. And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.


Did you know Abraham was a prophet?

A Prophet is someone who hears from GOD inaudibly. A Prophet is defining the Spirit. Moses is not a Prophet. Moses heard from GOD audibly. A Sent one is a mouthpiece for GOD. A sent one is not always a Prophet. A Prophet has the innate ability to hear from GOD INAUDIBLY, then decipher and assimilate and teach. Moses is not a Prophet.

 

[ewq1938]

There is the Law, which is Moses, and the Prophets...

So what? That doesn't proven Moses isn't a prophet. The bible calls him a prophet and in his writings he wrote prophecies that came true. You clearly don't understand the bible and are teaching stuff from some cultish like teacher or strange denomination.

 

[Yahcubs777]

So what? That doesn't proven Moses isn't a prophet. The bible calls him a prophet and in his writings he wrote prophecies that came true. You clearly don't understand the bible and are teaching stuff from some cultish like teacher or strange denomination.

THIS IS IN CAPS FOR ALL OF YOUR BENEFIT.

1. MOSES CANNOT HEAR FROM GOD INAUDIBLY. THEREFORE HE IS NOT A PROPHET. THAT IS WHY GOD CAME TO SEE HIM FACE TO FACE.
2. HIS BOOKS ARE UNDER THE LAW. THEY ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE PROPHETS.
3. NONE OF YOU ARE SEEKERS OF THE KINGDOM.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

3. NONE OF YOU ARE SEEKERS OF THE KINGDOM.

Did God tell you this "inaudibly", prophet?

 

[Yahcubs777]

Did God tell you this "inaudibly", prophet?

It was revealed in the bible you claim to know. Find it if you can.

 

[Dino246]

3. NONE OF YOU ARE SEEKERS OF THE KINGDOM.

Why does anyone continue to entertain this troll?

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Deuteronomy 34:10 And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face


Moses is a "type" ... the Lord Jesus Christ is the fulfillment

Yet Moses could not enter the Promised Holy Land, while Joshua and Caleb were allowed. It's a mystery!

 

[ewq1938]

Yet Moses could not enter the Promised Holy Land, while Joshua and Caleb were allowed. It's a mystery!

There's no mystery about that:


Num 20:12 And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.

 

[posthuman]

A Prophet is someone who hears from GOD inaudibly.

where do you get this definition?

 

[posthuman]

CANNOT HEAR FROM GOD INAUDIBLY. THEREFORE HE IS NOT A PROPHET.

it is certainly news to me that Elijah wasn't a prophet.

And there he went into a cave, and spent the night in that place; and behold, the word of the Lord came to him, and He said to him, “What are you doing here, Elijah?”​

So he said, “I have been very zealous for the Lord God of hosts; for the children of Israel have forsaken Your covenant, torn down Your altars, and killed Your prophets with the sword. I alone am left; and they seek to take my life.”​

Then He said, “Go out, and stand on the mountain before the Lord.” And behold, the Lord passed by, and a great and strong wind tore into the mountains and broke the rocks in pieces before the Lord, but the Lord was not in the wind; and after the wind an earthquake, but the Lord was not in the earthquake; and after the earthquake a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire; and after the fire a still small voice.​

So it was, when Elijah heard it, that he wrapped his face in his mantle and went out and stood in the entrance of the cave. Suddenly a voice came to him, and said, “What are you doing here, Elijah?”​

And he said, “I have been very zealous for the Lord God of hosts; because the children of Israel have forsaken Your covenant, torn down Your altars, and killed Your prophets with the sword. I alone am left; and they seek to take my life.”
Then the Lord said to him: “Go, return on your way to the Wilderness of Damascus; and when you arrive, anoint Hazael as king over Syria. Also you shall anoint Jehu the son of Nimshi as king over Israel. And Elisha the son of Shaphat of Abel Meholah you shall anoint as prophet in your place. It shall be that whoever escapes the sword of Hazael, Jehu will kill; and whoever escapes the sword of Jehu, Elisha will kill. Yet I have reserved seven thousand in Israel, all whose knees have not bowed to Baal, and every mouth that has not kissed him.”
(1 Kings 19:9-18)​

it seems very much inescapably clear to me from the text that the LORD is speaking to Elijah audibly.

 

[posthuman]

. NONE OF YOU ARE SEEKERS OF THE KINGDOM.

it is true that none of us are followers of you, but i think you are quite incorrect to say that none of us seek the kingdom of God.

there's a distinction to be made in those things

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

There's no mystery about that:


Num 20:12 And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.[/QUOTE

I'm not sure that you "get it." There was no one like Moses, yet he could not enter the Promised Land but Joshua and Caleb could and did. I realize that Caleb and Joshua followed the Lord wholeheartedly (the real reason) . . . yet there was none like Moses? All three were led by the Holy Spirit, so for Moses not to enter the Promised Land is remarkable, especially when Pharaoh, Aaron, and Miriam would view Moses as God (God's words).

 

[posthuman]

it is true that none of us are followers of you

you may yet get for yourself some disciples tho.
last thing i would want is my own disciple, however! such a burden & great responsibility!

 

[Yahcubs777]

where do you get this definition?

6 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the Lord will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.

Samuel is a Prophet. Samuel heard GOD but Eli did not.


3 And the child Samuel ministered unto the Lord before Eli. And the word of the Lord was precious in those days; there was no open vision.

2 And it came to pass at that time, when Eli was laid down in his place, and his eyes began to wax dim, that he could not see;

3 And ere the lamp of God went out in the temple of the Lord, where the ark of God was, and Samuel was laid down to sleep;

4 That the Lord called Samuel: and he answered, Here am I.

5 And he ran unto Eli, and said, Here am I; for thou calledst me. And he said, I called not; lie down again. And he went and lay down.

6 And the Lord called yet again, Samuel. And Samuel arose and went to Eli, and said, Here am I; for thou didst call me. And he answered, I called not, my son; lie down again.

7 Now Samuel did not yet know the Lord, neither was the word of the Lord yet revealed unto him.

8 And the Lord called Samuel again the third time. And he arose and went to Eli, and said, Here am I; for thou didst call me. And Eli perceived that the Lord had called the child.

All the Prophets hear from GOD inaudibly because its in the height of the Spirit. GOD is the Supreme Spirit Being, and HE talks to the Spirit Being of the Prophet. And there is the Laws of the Spirit, that the speech is not audible. Why? Because the Spirit doesn't have the vocal chords of the body. How will a ghost talk and someone with a physical body hear them?

So a Prophet is he that hears from GOD inaudibly. And GOD speaks to the Prophet in HIS height of communication and frequency, not plainly. And the Prophet must decode the message he has received from the GOD, then teach the people.

 

[Yahcubs777]

it is true that none of us are followers of you, but i think you are quite incorrect to say that none of us seek the kingdom of God.

there's a distinction to be made in those things

I didn't say to seek me, or to follow me. I am not a Prophet. I do not hear from GOD inaudibly. Yes none of you have seeked really seeked the kingdom. The people here do not even know that Eden is a heavens world. How can you claim to have seeked the kingdom and know nothing about the kingdom? Is it not written that GOD said: seek and ye shall find. So are you calling GOD a liar?

How can you say you seeked, yet you did not know about the Angels of the Churches? You did not know that Elijah must restore all things? You dont know anything about the transfigured body.

What do you think it means by the parable that a man found a treasure buried in the field, so he sold all he has and purchased that field?

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

it is certainly news to me that Elijah wasn't a prophet.

And there he went into a cave, and spent the night in that place; and behold, the word of the Lord came to him, and He said to him, “What are you doing here, Elijah?”​

So he said, “I have been very zealous for the Lord God of hosts; for the children of Israel have forsaken Your covenant, torn down Your altars, and killed Your prophets with the sword. I alone am left; and they seek to take my life.”​

Then He said, “Go out, and stand on the mountain before the Lord.” And behold, the Lord passed by, and a great and strong wind tore into the mountains and broke the rocks in pieces before the Lord, but the Lord was not in the wind; and after the wind an earthquake, but the Lord was not in the earthquake; and after the earthquake a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire; and after the fire a still small voice.​

So it was, when Elijah heard it, that he wrapped his face in his mantle and went out and stood in the entrance of the cave. Suddenly a voice came to him, and said, “What are you doing here, Elijah?”​

And he said, “I have been very zealous for the Lord God of hosts; because the children of Israel have forsaken Your covenant, torn down Your altars, and killed Your prophets with the sword. I alone am left; and they seek to take my life.”​

Then the Lord said to him: “Go, return on your way to the Wilderness of Damascus; and when you arrive, anoint Hazael as king over Syria. Also you shall anoint Jehu the son of Nimshi as king over Israel. And Elisha the son of Shaphat of Abel Meholah you shall anoint as prophet in your place. It shall be that whoever escapes the sword of Hazael, Jehu will kill; and whoever escapes the sword of Jehu, Elisha will kill. Yet I have reserved seven thousand in Israel, all whose knees have not bowed to Baal, and every mouth that has not kissed him.​

(1 Kings 19:9-18)​

it seems very much inescapably clear to me from the text that the LORD is speaking to Elijah audibly.

Elijah is a prophet . . . the last one (so he thought).

1 Kings 19:14 NKJV - "And he said, "I have been very zealous for the LORD God of hosts; because the children of Israel have forsaken Your covenant, torn down Your altars, and killed Your prophets with the sword. I alone am left; and they seek to take my life."

Also, John the Baptist was a prophet and is said to be the reincarnated Elijah.

 

[posthuman]

6 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the Lord will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.

thanks! i hadn't remembered that passage. let me think about it.

. And there is the Laws of the Spirit, that the speech is not audible.

i cannot agree with this statement; it directly contradicts scripture.
perhaps you ought to review the events at Sinai; all of Israel heard audibly the voice of the LORD.
did you know the word translated 'thunderings' in the text actually signifies audible language?

And the Lord spoke to you out of the midst of the fire. You heard the sound of the words, but saw no form; you only heard a voice.​

(Deuteronomy 4:12)​

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Did any people ever hear the voice of God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as you have heard, and live?​

(Deuteronomy 4:33)​

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Out of heaven He let you hear His voice, that He might instruct you; on earth He showed you His great fire, and you heard His words out of the midst of the fire.​

(Deuteronomy 4:36)​

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So it was, when you heard the voice from the midst of the darkness, while the mountain was burning with fire, that you came near to me, all the heads of your tribes and your elders. And you said: ‘Surely the Lord our God has shown us His glory and His greatness, and we have heard His voice from the midst of the fire. We have seen this day that God speaks with man; yet he still lives. Now therefore, why should we die? For this great fire will consume us; if we hear the voice of the Lord our God anymore, then we shall die. For who is there of all flesh who has heard the voice of the living God speaking from the midst of the fire, as we have, and lived? ​

(Deuteronomy 5:23-26)​