Who are the NEPHILIM in Genesis 6

[Truth7t7]

No, my claim is true, and, once again, you're here doing Satan's bidding.

We read:

Isaiah chapter 9

[6] For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
[7] Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

Again:

Luke chapter 1

[26] And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
[27] To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
[28] And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
[29] And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
[30] And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
[31] And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
[32] He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
[33] And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

As far as the antichrist is concerned, I've been saying all along that he will sit in Christ's seat PRIOR TO CHRIST'S SECOND COMING, so you really ought to work on your reading comprehension skills before making an even bigger fool out of yourself.

You Live In (Denial) Of Gods Clear Words Of Presented Truth Below. With A False Claim The Fire Seen Below Is Metaphorical

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[KingdomBrat]

That is a very "unique" position which is as I am sure you know totally unbiblical. I do not believe I have ever seen anyone try to do that.

It doesn't matter the proofs you offer unto me, to the Ancient Hebrews, the [ACT] by which the Sons of God, not human, came to human women, not Daughters of God but of human, and produced these ungodly beasts were not [familiar flesh]. Peter tells us these Angels are still chained in a darkness so real you can feel it until the day of their final judgement. He gives examples so we know these Angels did [mesh] with UNFAMILIAR FLESH, which is a direct disobedience unto God.

So don't get into {ENGLISH TRANSLATION} semantics "when" the [Ancient Hebrew Specific Words they use here] = the Act of War towards God and this is the [ACTS] to what they did that was against God's Command.

 

[CS1]

This tends to be a highly passionate subject and people tend to want to force their opinions. I encourage you to use the SCRIPTURES to support your thoughts.

Genesis 6:3-4-5........
"The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God (bene Elohim) came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually."

Numbers 13:30...........
"There also we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we became like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”

1.
Now one view that is a popular today but is HIGHLY unbiblical is that the Nephilim are space aliens.

2.
Another view is that fallen angels bred with women and resulted in giants called Nephilim. Some believe the sons of God were the result of fallen angels who overtook ungodly men to breed with women.

3.
Then another view is that they were the Sethites (descendants of Adam’s son Seth). Along with and actually encompassing that view is that kings, rulers, or heads of leading family groups as being godly from Psalm 82. This view has many similarities to the Sethite view but eliminates many of Seth’s descendants and merely keeps with the leaders/kings (as well as some other leaders of other tribes) as godly. This view actually has more Bible support than #2 and # 1 has NO Bible support at all.

So that I do not leave you in suspense, I will tell you up front that as a Bible proponent, I believe that #3 is the correct view.

What do you think?

WHY????

So there it is.......discuss!

Where the bible is silent on the subject we to are to be silent. The Context of Genesis 6 is a sinful man. The sin of man was so bad God flooded the earth.

Genesis 6:3
And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Verse one and 2 set the context if you see it to mean that "the sons of God( bene = earthly men) saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

This action was done by men not angels, the context doesn't support this interjection. God saw the wickedness of men verse 5 says

 

[Scribe]

So, what are you suggesting?

That the saints are going to be hanging out in the clouds with Jesus for 7 years ("pre-tribulation rapture" hoax), or 3 1/2 years ("mid-tribulation rapture" hoax), or that the saints will return immediately to this earth with Christ at his second coming?

I'm honestly not sure what you're saying here, so I'm seeking clarification.

Thanks.

By the way, I'm not the one who is insisting on a U-turn back to heaven.

Instead, the charlatans who teach a pre-tribulation rapture TO HEAVEN, the charlatans who teach a mid-tribulation rapture TO HEAVEN, and the people who believe any of that unscriptural nonsense are the ones who are truly insisting upon the same.

I'm just telling you that no such U-turn exists anywhere in scripture, and it doesn't..

If you believe that it does, then please provide chapter and verse.

Yes, the rising and meeting the Lord in the air could be going to a spiritual realm that is set up at that time. A heavenly realm where the vision of Rev 4,5 is set up.

There are scriptures presented by sincere scholars for both pre trib and post trib. Neither are charlatans. We have to allow others to differ in Eschatology as there are too many unknowns, speculation, and mystery when it comes to prophesy that are not meant to give us all the details but are rather intended to give us a hope.

I have to put it on the back burner as I have other classes I have to study for, but when I revisit eschatology I have books from several different scholars that each do a good job of presenting their scriptures and interpretations but all differ in their conclusions. My job will be to determine which does the best job in presenting sound hermeneutics. So far the pre trib view authors are doing a better job or presenting their case. I am reading Gordon Fee, George Eldon Ladd, Joseph A Seiss, and others. None of them are charlatans or presenting nonsense.

 

[Live4Him]

Yes, the rising and meeting the Lord in the air could be going to a spiritual realm that is set up at that time. A heavenly realm where the vision of Rev 4,5 is set up.

There are scriptures presented by sincere scholars for both pre trib and post trib. Neither are charlatans. We have to allow others to differ in Eschatology as there are too many unknowns, speculation, and mystery when it comes to prophesy that are not meant to give us all the details but are rather intended to give us a hope.

I have to put it on the back burner as I have other classes I have to study for, but when I revisit eschatology I have books from several different scholars that each do a good job of presenting their scriptures and interpretations but all differ in their conclusions. My job will be to determine which does the best job in presenting sound hermeneutics. So far the pre trib view authors are doing a better job or presenting their case. I am reading Gordon Fee, George Eldon Ladd, Joseph A Seiss, and others. None of them are charlatans or presenting nonsense.

No offense, but whereas you claim it "could be", again, in reality, it could not be.

How will these saints RESURRECT or be "caught up" while receiving glorified bodies to this "spiritual realm" BEFORE "the first resurrection"?

Of course, the correct answer is that they won't.

Anyhow, I've presented God's word in context for all to read, and I'm not going to seek to browbeat anybody into submission to the same.

 

[Scribe]

Hi Scribe!

When Jesus comes to gather His church, it must be prior to the first seal being opened which initiates God's wrath and is followed by the rest of the seals, trumpets and finally the bowl judgments.

John 14:1-3 makes it very clear, that Jesus stated that He was going to the Father's house to prepare places for us, which could only be referring to heaven. Then He says that He will come back to get us and take us back to those places which the Lord will have prepared for us in the Father's house, so that we could be where He is. Therefore, when it is time, the Lord will descend to the atmosphere, where He will resurrect the dead, immortal and glorified. And then those still alive in Christ will be changed, immortal and glorified and will be caught up with them to meet the Lord in the air. At that point the entire church from beginning to end will be gathered in the air, where the Lord will take the entire group back to the Father's house (U-turn) to those places that the Lord went to prepare for us.

The key point here, is that those places that Jesus went to prepare for believers in the church, are in the Father's house. As He says, "in My Father's house are many dwelling places and I go and prepare a place for you." Therefore, the Father's house is where the church is going when the Lord gathers us. In further support of this, scripture states that Jesus ascend to the right hand of God where He is interceding for us, which again would heaven as the place where Jesus went to and where He prepared those dwelling places for us.

Regarding the plagues of wrath, as far as I know, believers in the church do not take part in initiating the plagues of wrath, but is done via the four living beings and by other angels. For example, the there are seven angels with seven trumpets and seven angels with seven bowl judgments. As each one sounds a trumpet or pours out a bowl, a plague of wrath takes place.

When the church is caught up and taken to the Father's house (heaven), we will at some point stand at the Bema seat of Christ for judgment, not for sin, but to receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad, i.e. reward or loss of reward. During that time, we, the bride, will also be at the wedding of the Lamb, where we will receive our fine linen, white and clean (Rev.19:6-8). And finally, we (the armies of heaven) will follow the Lord out of heaven riding on white horses as He descends to the earth to end the age and engage the nations at Armageddon.

It is possible that the New Jerusalem is the place that he is referring to. That it comes down out of heaven upon the New Earth and there we will dwell forever. It is possible that this is the ultimate fulfilment. A promise that He will come back and we will be with him where he is might have included all of the events in between that we read about in Revelation. As in many other prophecies where the end result is mentioned but left out was the many events that happen between the first and second coming. It is possible that we don't dwell in that final New Jerusalem until we do.

And if you notice in the KJV the four living creatures and the 24 elders together say that they are redeemed by the blood. Therefore the 4 creatures are representative of redeemed saints and the 4 Living creatures are mentioned as saying "GO" to various judgments released.

8And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

1And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. (the experts say that the Greek means "Come" or "Go") Most other English translations simply say "Come"
I agree with scholars who say that they are somehow being a partaker in the releasing of these judgments.

In addition the Elders are involved throughout these visions throughout. I see them as representative of redeemed by the blood saints an unknown number but simply shown in representative symbolic form to hint at what they inherit as those who were raised and the raptured saints and who are with Christ during the tribulation period. We will soon find out if I am right or not.

It is ok if you don't agree. I understand that there are different views. I am not going to blast anyone who disagrees with what I am saying. I believe that the KJV scholars translated it correctly as "Us" and "we" in Rev 5:9-10 from the research I have done so far. I could be wrong, and I will find out in the future as I learn about the manuscripts in extant but as I understand it there are many authoritative manuscripts that use the Greek word for "us" and "we" and that other English translations do not have more authority for translating it "people" and "them".

What am I saying? If "us" and "we" is correct then the 4 living creatures are symbolic of a larger group of redeemed by the blood saints, as also are the 24 elders. Not as two separate groups but symbolism of what they inherit. The priesthood (24 governors of the priests from 2 Chron 24) and dominion, kingdom, and that proximity to the throne that was thought to be the place of the holy cherubim that sang holy, holy, holy, and in that glory and light that no man can approach unto, but which the raptured inherit.

Too much to expound upon at the moment. I am trying to be concise.

 

[Major]

Where the bible is silent on the subject we to are to be silent. The Context of Genesis 6 is a sinful man. The sin of man was so bad God flooded the earth.

Genesis 6:3
And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Verse one and 2 set the context if you see it to mean that "the sons of God( bene = earthly men) saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

This action was done by men not angels, the context doesn't support this interjection. God saw the wickedness of men verse 5 says

Agreed 100%!

 

[Major]

It doesn't matter the proofs you offer unto me, to the Ancient Hebrews, the [ACT] by which the Sons of God, not human, came to human women, not Daughters of God but of human, and produced these ungodly beasts were not [familiar flesh]. Peter tells us these Angels are still chained in a darkness so real you can feel it until the day of their final judgement. He gives examples so we know these Angels did [mesh] with UNFAMILIAR FLESH, which is a direct disobedience unto God.

So don't get into {ENGLISH TRANSLATION} semantics "when" the [Ancient Hebrew Specific Words they use here] = the Act of War towards God and this is the [ACTS] to what they did that was against God's Command.

Good idea. However you seem to have ignored what God said in Matthew 22:30 which was tha angels are ASEXUAL. They can not have sex with anyone so how could they have produced what God said they could not do???????

 

[CS1]

Good idea. However you seem to have ignored what God said in Matthew 22:30 which was tha angels are ASEXUAL. They can not have sex with anyone so how could they have produced what God said they could not do???????

Tell him who said it.

 

[Major]

It is possible that the New Jerusalem is the place that he is referring to. That it comes down out of heaven upon the New Earth and there we will dwell forever. It is possible that this is the ultimate fulfilment. A promise that He will come back and we will be with him where he is might have included all of the events in between that we read about in Revelation. As in many other prophecies where the end result is mentioned but left out was the many events that happen between the first and second coming. It is possible that we don't dwell in that final New Jerusalem until we do.

And if you notice in the KJV the four living creatures and the 24 elders together say that they are redeemed by the blood. Therefore the 4 creatures are representative of redeemed saints and the 4 Living creatures are mentioned as saying "GO" to various judgments released.

8And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. 9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

1And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. (the experts say that the Greek means "Come" or "Go") Most other English translations simply say "Come"
I agree with scholars who say that they are somehow being a partaker in the releasing of these judgments.

In addition the Elders are involved throughout these visions throughout. I see them as representative of redeemed by the blood saints an unknown number but simply shown in representative symbolic form to hint at what they inherit as those who were raised and the raptured saints and who are with Christ during the tribulation period. We will soon find out if I am right or not.

It is ok if you don't agree. I understand that there are different views. I am not going to blast anyone who disagrees with what I am saying. I believe that the KJV scholars translated it correctly as "Us" and "we" in Rev 5:9-10 from the research I have done so far. I could be wrong, and I will find out in the future as I learn about the manuscripts in extant but as I understand it there are many authoritative manuscripts that use the Greek word for "us" and "we" and that other English translations do not have more authority for translating it "people" and "them".

What am I saying? If "us" and "we" is correct then the 4 living creatures are symbolic of a larger group of redeemed by the blood saints, as also are the 24 elders. Not as two separate groups but symbolism of what they inherit. The priesthood (24 governors of the priests from 2 Chron 24) and dominion, kingdom, and that proximity to the throne that was thought to be the place of the holy cherubim that sang holy, holy, holy, and in that glory and light that no man can approach unto, but which the raptured inherit.

Too much to expound upon at the moment. I am trying to be concise.

It is not that difficult.

12 Tribes of Jews.
12 Apostles.
____
24 then is the CHURCH which has been Raptured.

Matthew 19:28 (ESV)
"Jesus said to them, “Truly, I say to you, in the new world, when the Son of Man will sit on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."

The fact that they sit on thrones indicates that they reign with Christ. Nowhere in Scripture do angels ever rule or sit on thrones. The Church, however, is repeatedly said to rule and reign with Christ (Revelation 2:26-27, 5:10, 20:4; Matthew 19:28; Luke 22:30).

In addition, the Greek word translated here as “elders” is never used to refer to angels, only to men, particularly to men of a certain age who are mature and able to rule the Church. The word elder would be inappropriate to refer to angels, who do not age. Their mode of dress would also indicate these are men. While angels do appear in white, white garments are more commonly found on believers, symbolizing Christ’s righteousness imputed to us at salvation (Revelation 3:5,18; 19:8).

The golden crowns worn by the elders also indicate these are men, not angels. Crowns are never promised to angels, nor are angels ever seen wearing them.

 

[Major]

Tell him who said it.

GOD did.

Matthew 22:29-30 ........
"Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."

 

[CS1]

GOD did.

Matthew 22:29-30 ........
"Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."

Yes, Jesus said it and that makes it authoritative. IF there is ever confusion of a biblical topic as to what God thinks about it, when Jesus speaks about it HE has the final word, Not Jude, or Enoch, or any other pseudepigraphical work.

 

[Major]

GOD did.

Matthew 22:29-30 ........
"Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."

But you know........I am not new at this, I am new at this site, so I am always amazed about how many people who call themselves Christians, read what is posted right in front of their eys and they read it and say.......

"Yea, BUT............."!

God said it and we either accept it or we reject it! It is just that simple.

 

[Major]

Yes, Jesus said it and that makes it authoritative. IF there is ever confusion of a biblical topic as to what God thinks about it, when Jesus speaks about it HE has the final word, Not Jude, or Enoch, or any other pseudepigraphical work.

AMEN !

 

[Major]

So, who produced the giants that were in the earth in those days and after that? There were giants in the OT that were 15 to 17 feet tall.

Where in the Bible is the Scriptures that say the Giants were 17 feet tall????

 

[CS1]

Where in the Bible is the Scriptures that say the Giants were 17 feet tall????

right next to angel had sex with women but you have to read it into the text to see it LOL

 

[Major]

Read It Again, Jesus Isnt Going To Be On Earth With Mortal Humans, You Claim He Is, Setting The Unaware Up For The (Antichrist)

Your Claim Is False, Jesus Christ Warned His Followers Of Your Teaching, Jesus Christ Wont Be Found Any Where Upon This Earth As You Claim.

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"!

The Future Antichrist Will Sit In Jerusalem, And Proclaim To Be Messiah God To Jews, And Jesus Christ Returned To The "Apostate" Church.

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

WHAT does all of this have to do with Genesi 6:1-4??????????????

 

[Major]

right next to angel had sex with women but you have to read it into the text to see it LOL

SEE! People just make up stuff as they go along! It is crazy!

 

[John146]

Where in the Bible is the Scriptures that say the Giants were 17 feet tall????

King Og was probably around 13 feet tall.

11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.

 

[CS1]

King Og was probably around 13 feet tall.

11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.

13 ft? Ok,