GOD DONE WITH ISRAEL?
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I will try to get this to you later. I have a graduation to go through tonight. I do not just want to put something quick together. would not be fair to either of us. If I don't get to it tonight. I will tomorrow. Remond me if ya see me on (I have another 4 hour test to do) Todays is almost done. so I will not be here much longer 
LOL.
latergater
Zone, if I understand you correctly, you're saying that was all fulfilled through Joshua? So how do you explain Ez. 36:16-38, or Ez. 37 etc.? Those scriptures are well after Joshua.
In Ez. ch.s 40 and 41 describe a temple (40 miles in radius) that has never been seen or built, it is clear that this is to be in the millenial reign. This is not going to be the same set up of previous temple-sacrificial system. This is going to be different, main example Yeshua who became the final High Priest will rule from it. Shalom
In Ez. ch.s 40 and 41 describe a temple (40 miles in radius) that has never been seen or built, it is clear that this is to be in the millenial reign. This is not going to be the same set up of previous temple-sacrificial system. This is going to be different, main example Yeshua who became the final High Priest will rule from it. Shalom
ezekiel saw the progressively revealed, in the Hebraic pictoral fashion, a vision of the New Jerusalem.
the same city john saw.
there is no "millennial temple" >> the church is the millennial temple, since the millennium is NOW.
Ezekiel 40
In visions of God he brought me to the land of Israel, and set me down on a very high mountain, on which was a structure like a city to the south.
Revelation 21:10
And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.
we have this world, and the world to come.
amen.
~ what we see going on today is the deception: this is what the Pharisees concocted, and it is called dispensationalism/zionism/olamhaba: they are planning for their golden messianic era when it actually began when john baptised The Most Holy in the jordan.
the same city john saw.
there is no "millennial temple" >> the church is the millennial temple, since the millennium is NOW.
Ezekiel 40
In visions of God he brought me to the land of Israel, and set me down on a very high mountain, on which was a structure like a city to the south.
Revelation 21:10
And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.
we have this world, and the world to come.
amen.
~ what we see going on today is the deception: this is what the Pharisees concocted, and it is called dispensationalism/zionism/olamhaba: they are planning for their golden messianic era when it actually began when john baptised The Most Holy in the jordan.
yep avinu.
i'm ok with agreeing to disagree.
why can't we remember the Babylonian captivity and WHEN the prophets lived?
the discrepancies between the rebuilt temple and ezekiel's vision i believe does look beyond to the New Jerusalem.
look at Isaiah...the themes are the same in every book.:
Judgment and Salvation
1 I was ready to be sought by those who did not ask for me;
I was ready to be found by those who did not seek me.
I said, “Here am I, here am I,”
to a nation that was not called bya my name.
2 I spread out my hands all the day
to a rebellious people,
who walk in a way that is not good,
following their own devices;
3 a people who provoke me
to my face continually,
sacrificing in gardens
and making offerings on bricks;
4 who sit in tombs,
and spend the night in secret places;
who eat pig’s flesh,
and broth of tainted meat is in their vessels;
5 who say, “Keep to yourself,
do not come near me, for I am too holy for you.”
These are a smoke in my nostrils,
a fire that burns all the day.
6 Behold, it is written before me:
“I will not keep silent, but I will repay;
I will indeed repay into their bosom
7 both your iniquities and your fathers’ iniquities together,
says the Lord;
because they made offerings on the mountains
and insulted me on the hills,
I will measure into their bosom
payment for their former deeds.”b
8 Thus says the Lord:
“As the new wine is found in the cluster,
and they say, ‘Do not destroy it,
for there is a blessing in it,’
so I will do for my servants’ sake,
and not destroy them all.
9 I will bring forth offspring from Jacob,
and from Judah possessors of my mountains;
my chosen shall possess it,
and my servants shall dwell there.
10 Sharon shall become a pasture for flocks,
and the Valley of Achor a place for herds to lie down,
for my people who have sought me.
11 But you who forsake the Lord,
who forget my holy mountain,
who set a table for Fortune
and fill cups of mixed wine for Destiny,
12 I will destine you to the sword,
and all of you shall bow down to the slaughter,
because, when I called, you did not answer;
when I spoke, you did not listen,
but you did what was evil in my eyes
and chose what I did not delight in.”
13 Therefore thus says the Lord God:
“Behold, my servants shall eat,
but you shall be hungry;
behold, my servants shall drink,
but you shall be thirsty;
behold, my servants shall rejoice,
but you shall be put to shame;
14 behold, my servants shall sing for gladness of heart,
but you shall cry out for pain of heart
and shall wail for breaking of spirit.
15 You shall leave your name to my chosen for a curse,
and the Lord God will put you to death,
but his servants he will call by another name.
16 So that he who blesses himself in the land
shall bless himself by the God of truth,
and he who takes an oath in the land
shall swear by the God of truth;
because the former troubles are forgotten
and are hidden from my eyes.
New Heavens and a New Earth
17 “For behold, I create new heavens
and a new earth,
and the former things shall not be remembered
or come into mind.
18 But be glad and rejoice forever
in that which I create;
for behold, I create Jerusalem to be a joy,
and her people to be a gladness.
19 I will rejoice in Jerusalem
and be glad in my people;
no more shall be heard in it the sound of weeping
and the cry of distress.
20 No more shall there be in it
an infant who lives but a few days,
or an old man who does not fill out his days,
for the young man shall die a hundred years old,
and the sinner a hundred years old shall be accursed.
21 They shall build houses and inhabit them;
they shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
22 They shall not build and another inhabit;
they shall not plant and another eat;
for like the days of a tree shall the days of my people be,
and my chosen shall long enjoyc the work of their hands.
23 They shall not labor in vain
or bear children for calamity,d
for they shall be the offspring of the blessed of the Lord,
and their descendants with them.
24 Before they call I will answer;
while they are yet speaking I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb shall graze together;
the lion shall eat straw like the ox,
and dust shall be the serpent’s food.
They shall not hurt or destroy
in all my holy mountain,”
says the Lord.
i'm ok with agreeing to disagree.
why can't we remember the Babylonian captivity and WHEN the prophets lived?
the discrepancies between the rebuilt temple and ezekiel's vision i believe does look beyond to the New Jerusalem.
look at Isaiah...the themes are the same in every book.:
Judgment and Salvation
1 I was ready to be sought by those who did not ask for me;
I was ready to be found by those who did not seek me.
I said, “Here am I, here am I,”
to a nation that was not called bya my name.
2 I spread out my hands all the day
to a rebellious people,
who walk in a way that is not good,
following their own devices;
3 a people who provoke me
to my face continually,
sacrificing in gardens
and making offerings on bricks;
4 who sit in tombs,
and spend the night in secret places;
who eat pig’s flesh,
and broth of tainted meat is in their vessels;
5 who say, “Keep to yourself,
do not come near me, for I am too holy for you.”
These are a smoke in my nostrils,
a fire that burns all the day.
6 Behold, it is written before me:
“I will not keep silent, but I will repay;
I will indeed repay into their bosom
7 both your iniquities and your fathers’ iniquities together,
says the Lord;
because they made offerings on the mountains
and insulted me on the hills,
I will measure into their bosom
payment for their former deeds.”b
8 Thus says the Lord:
“As the new wine is found in the cluster,
and they say, ‘Do not destroy it,
for there is a blessing in it,’
so I will do for my servants’ sake,
and not destroy them all.
9 I will bring forth offspring from Jacob,
and from Judah possessors of my mountains;
my chosen shall possess it,
and my servants shall dwell there.
10 Sharon shall become a pasture for flocks,
and the Valley of Achor a place for herds to lie down,
for my people who have sought me.
11 But you who forsake the Lord,
who forget my holy mountain,
who set a table for Fortune
and fill cups of mixed wine for Destiny,
12 I will destine you to the sword,
and all of you shall bow down to the slaughter,
because, when I called, you did not answer;
when I spoke, you did not listen,
but you did what was evil in my eyes
and chose what I did not delight in.”
13 Therefore thus says the Lord God:
“Behold, my servants shall eat,
but you shall be hungry;
behold, my servants shall drink,
but you shall be thirsty;
behold, my servants shall rejoice,
but you shall be put to shame;
14 behold, my servants shall sing for gladness of heart,
but you shall cry out for pain of heart
and shall wail for breaking of spirit.
15 You shall leave your name to my chosen for a curse,
and the Lord God will put you to death,
but his servants he will call by another name.
16 So that he who blesses himself in the land
shall bless himself by the God of truth,
and he who takes an oath in the land
shall swear by the God of truth;
because the former troubles are forgotten
and are hidden from my eyes.
New Heavens and a New Earth
17 “For behold, I create new heavens
and a new earth,
and the former things shall not be remembered
or come into mind.
18 But be glad and rejoice forever
in that which I create;
for behold, I create Jerusalem to be a joy,
and her people to be a gladness.
19 I will rejoice in Jerusalem
and be glad in my people;
no more shall be heard in it the sound of weeping
and the cry of distress.
20 No more shall there be in it
an infant who lives but a few days,
or an old man who does not fill out his days,
for the young man shall die a hundred years old,
and the sinner a hundred years old shall be accursed.
21 They shall build houses and inhabit them;
they shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
22 They shall not build and another inhabit;
they shall not plant and another eat;
for like the days of a tree shall the days of my people be,
and my chosen shall long enjoyc the work of their hands.
23 They shall not labor in vain
or bear children for calamity,d
for they shall be the offspring of the blessed of the Lord,
and their descendants with them.
24 Before they call I will answer;
while they are yet speaking I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb shall graze together;
the lion shall eat straw like the ox,
and dust shall be the serpent’s food.
They shall not hurt or destroy
in all my holy mountain,”
says the Lord.
why can't we remember the Babylonian captivity and WHEN the prophets lived?
the discrepancies between the rebuilt temple and ezekiel's vision i believe does look beyond to the New Jerusalem.
look at Isaiah...the themes are the same in every book.:
the discrepancies between the rebuilt temple and ezekiel's vision i believe does look beyond to the New Jerusalem.
look at Isaiah...the themes are the same in every book.:
hey avinu.
i'm going to try to tackle this whew.
ezekiel (and jeremiah) went to Babylon when the people went.
as well as being shown the vision of a temple, ezekiel was told:
Ezekiel 39:25
“Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: Now I will restore the fortunes of Jacob and have mercy on the whole house of Israel, and I will be jealous for my holy name.
and, He followed through, as always:
2 Chronicles 36:23
“Thus says Cyrus king of Persia, ‘The LORD, the God of heaven, has given me all the kingdoms of the earth, and he has charged me to build him a house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah. Whoever is among you of all his people, may the LORD his God be with him. Let him go up.’”
Ezra 1:5
Then rose up the heads of the fathers’ houses of Judah and Benjamin, and the priests and the Levites, everyone whose spirit God had stirred to go up to rebuild the house of the LORD that is in Jerusalem.
so....was the nw temple the one ezekiel saw? no, not really. not right away.
Zechariah 4:10
"Who despises the day of small things? Men will rejoice when they see the plumb line in the hand of Zerubbabel. "(These seven are the eyes of the LORD, which range throughout the earth.)"
~ i believe its around here that the FUTURE PROMISE of THE GLORY OF CHRIST and NEW JERUSALEM comes into view again. the children are told that the second temple will be more glorious than Solomon's!:
Haggai 2:3
The glory of this present house will be greater than the glory of the former house,' says the LORD Almighty. 'And in this place I will grant peace,' declares the LORD Almighty."
and eventually it was: because of the taxes and offerings brought from the disapora, AND BECAUSE OF HEROD:
The accession of Cyrus the Great of Persia in 538 BCE made the re-establishment of the city of Jerusalem and the rebuilding of the Temple possible.[1] According to the Bible, when the Jewish exiles returned to Jerusalem following a decree from Cyrus the Great (Ezra 1:1-4, 2 Chron 36:22-23), construction started at the original site, which had remained a devastated heap during the approximate 70 years of captivity (Dan. 9:1-2). After a relatively brief halt, brought about by peoples who had filled the vacuum during the Jewish captivity (Ezra 4), work resumed c. 521 BCE under the Persian King Darius (Ezra 5) and was completed during the sixth year of his reign (c. 518/517 BCE), with the temple dedication taking place the following year.
Around 19 BCE, Herod the Great renovated the Temple, which became known as Herod's Temple.
~ and, as we know: THE TRUE TEMPLE, THE LORD JESUS eventually replaced Herod's Temple.
(remember Daniel had been shown all this...including the destruction by Titus (70AD) after Messiah was cut off):
Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
~
John 2:19
Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
~
and then what?...moving forward into the expansion of the TEMPLE, the CHURCH on earth, jew & gentile (patterned after the Heavenly, and in preparation for the New Jerusalem, world to come world without end):
Acts 1:8
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”
Romans 10:18
But I ask, have they not heard? Indeed they have, for “Their voice has gone out to all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world.”
Colossians 1:6
which has come to you, as indeed in the whole world it is bearing fruit and growing—as it also does among you, since the day you heard it and understood the grace of God in truth,
~ and....we are seeing the Everlasting Kingdom growing as sinners are saved and translated from this world (which is passing away) to the world to come.
here's that FANTASTIC church epistle which reveals the MYSTERY of the CHURCH:
Ephesians 1
Greeting
1Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God,
To the saints who are in Ephesus, and are faithfula in Christ Jesus:
2Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Spiritual Blessings in Christ
3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5he predestined usb for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. 7In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9making knownc to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
11In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 12so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. 13In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is the guaranteed of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it,e to the praise of his glory.
Thanksgiving and Prayer
15For this reason, because I have heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your lovef toward all the saints, 16I do not cease to give thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, 17that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, 18having the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know what is the hope to which he has called you, what are the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, 19and what is the immeasurable greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to the working of his great might 20that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, 21far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. 22And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church, 23which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.
Ephesians 2:6
For he raised us from the dead along with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms because we are united with Christ Jesus.
~
BUT: what about ezekiel's temple?
it wasn't exactly like Herod's, and it was MUCH SMALLER than New Jerusalem....of course it was: because the Kingdom has been expanding both in Heaven and on earth all this time.
but: isn't there a millennium between the Second Advent and New Jerusalem, time to build ezekiel's temple and have more temporal stuff? no. THERE WILL BE NO MORE TEMPLE APPROVED BY GOD.
but there is a period the believing JEWS understood in between the First and Second Advents, the MESSIANIC (Kingdom) PERIOD called figuratively a thousand years (meaning complete...you know this, right avinu?)
that's where we are now....much nearer the end of it than the beginning, but this is why we can not know the day or hour, the time of the end is not known until the cosmic signs....the entire messianic (salvation) period is simply called a thousand years (Rev 20).
Revelation 20 is a parenthetical chapter: it stops the show and zooms out to see what's taking place in HEAVEN throughout the thousand years.
SO WHAT HAPPENS AT THE END OF THE "THOUSAND YEARS" (Messianic portion of the Kingdom)?
Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
2 Thessalonians 2
The Man of Lawlessness
1Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers,a 2not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessnessb is revealed, the son of destruction,c 4who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. 5Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming. 9The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
~ this is the same event...even including the Lord Coming to Save and Judge.:
Revelation 20
The Defeat of Satan
7And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison 8and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea. 9And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heavenb and consumed them, 10and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Judgment Before the Great White Throne
11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. 13And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. 14Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Revelation 21
22And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb. 23 And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb. 24 By its light will the nations walk, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it, 25 and its gates will never be shut by day—and there will be no night there. 26 They will bring into it the glory and the honor of the nations. 27 But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
CONCLUSION:
ezkiel's temple was a pictoral vision of hope and future promises, ultimately pointing to Jesus, The Church, and The Eternal Kingdom, & New Jerusalem, the same city john saw.
~ whew.
that's kind of the amillennial covenant (non-dispensational) eschatological view. any damage i did to it is my fault.
i'm going to try to tackle this
whew.ezekiel (and jeremiah) went to Babylon when the people went.
as well as being shown the vision of a temple, ezekiel was told:
Ezekiel 39:25
“Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: Now I will restore the fortunes of Jacob and have mercy on the whole house of Israel, and I will be jealous for my holy name.
and, He followed through, as always:
2 Chronicles 36:23
“Thus says Cyrus king of Persia, ‘The LORD, the God of heaven, has given me all the kingdoms of the earth, and he has charged me to build him a house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah. Whoever is among you of all his people, may the LORD his God be with him. Let him go up.’”
Ezra 1:5
Then rose up the heads of the fathers’ houses of Judah and Benjamin, and the priests and the Levites, everyone whose spirit God had stirred to go up to rebuild the house of the LORD that is in Jerusalem.
so....was the nw temple the one ezekiel saw? no, not really. not right away.
Zechariah 4:10
"Who despises the day of small things? Men will rejoice when they see the plumb line in the hand of Zerubbabel. "(These seven are the eyes of the LORD, which range throughout the earth.)"
~ i believe its around here that the FUTURE PROMISE of THE GLORY OF CHRIST and NEW JERUSALEM comes into view again. the children are told that the second temple will be more glorious than Solomon's!:
Haggai 2:3
The glory of this present house will be greater than the glory of the former house,' says the LORD Almighty. 'And in this place I will grant peace,' declares the LORD Almighty."
and eventually it was: because of the taxes and offerings brought from the disapora, AND BECAUSE OF HEROD:
The accession of Cyrus the Great of Persia in 538 BCE made the re-establishment of the city of Jerusalem and the rebuilding of the Temple possible.[1] According to the Bible, when the Jewish exiles returned to Jerusalem following a decree from Cyrus the Great (Ezra 1:1-4, 2 Chron 36:22-23), construction started at the original site, which had remained a devastated heap during the approximate 70 years of captivity (Dan. 9:1-2). After a relatively brief halt, brought about by peoples who had filled the vacuum during the Jewish captivity (Ezra 4), work resumed c. 521 BCE under the Persian King Darius (Ezra 5) and was completed during the sixth year of his reign (c. 518/517 BCE), with the temple dedication taking place the following year.
Around 19 BCE, Herod the Great renovated the Temple, which became known as Herod's Temple.
~ and, as we know: THE TRUE TEMPLE, THE LORD JESUS eventually replaced Herod's Temple.
(remember Daniel had been shown all this...including the destruction by Titus (70AD) after Messiah was cut off):
Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
~
John 2:19
Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
~
and then what?...moving forward into the expansion of the TEMPLE, the CHURCH on earth, jew & gentile (patterned after the Heavenly, and in preparation for the New Jerusalem, world to come world without end):
Acts 1:8
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”
Romans 10:18
But I ask, have they not heard? Indeed they have, for “Their voice has gone out to all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world.”
Colossians 1:6
which has come to you, as indeed in the whole world it is bearing fruit and growing—as it also does among you, since the day you heard it and understood the grace of God in truth,
~ and....we are seeing the Everlasting Kingdom growing as sinners are saved and translated from this world (which is passing away) to the world to come.
here's that FANTASTIC church epistle which reveals the MYSTERY of the CHURCH:
Ephesians 1
Greeting
1Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God,
To the saints who are in Ephesus, and are faithfula in Christ Jesus:
2Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Spiritual Blessings in Christ
3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5he predestined usb for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. 7In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9making knownc to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
11In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 12so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. 13In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is the guaranteed of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it,e to the praise of his glory.
Thanksgiving and Prayer
15For this reason, because I have heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your lovef toward all the saints, 16I do not cease to give thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, 17that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, 18having the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know what is the hope to which he has called you, what are the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, 19and what is the immeasurable greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to the working of his great might 20that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, 21far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. 22And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church, 23which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.
Ephesians 2:6
For he raised us from the dead along with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms because we are united with Christ Jesus.
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BUT: what about ezekiel's temple?
it wasn't exactly like Herod's, and it was MUCH SMALLER than New Jerusalem....of course it was: because the Kingdom has been expanding both in Heaven and on earth all this time.
but: isn't there a millennium between the Second Advent and New Jerusalem, time to build ezekiel's temple and have more temporal stuff? no. THERE WILL BE NO MORE TEMPLE APPROVED BY GOD.
but there is a period the believing JEWS understood in between the First and Second Advents, the MESSIANIC (Kingdom) PERIOD called figuratively a thousand years (meaning complete...you know this, right avinu?)
that's where we are now....much nearer the end of it than the beginning, but this is why we can not know the day or hour, the time of the end is not known until the cosmic signs....the entire messianic (salvation) period is simply called a thousand years (Rev 20).
Revelation 20 is a parenthetical chapter: it stops the show and zooms out to see what's taking place in HEAVEN throughout the thousand years.
SO WHAT HAPPENS AT THE END OF THE "THOUSAND YEARS" (Messianic portion of the Kingdom)?
Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
2 Thessalonians 2
The Man of Lawlessness
1Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers,a 2not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessnessb is revealed, the son of destruction,c 4who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. 5Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming. 9The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
~ this is the same event...even including the Lord Coming to Save and Judge.:
Revelation 20
The Defeat of Satan
7And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison 8and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea. 9And they marched up over the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, but fire came down from heavenb and consumed them, 10and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Judgment Before the Great White Throne
11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. 13And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. 14Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Revelation 21
22And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb. 23 And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb. 24 By its light will the nations walk, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it, 25 and its gates will never be shut by day—and there will be no night there. 26 They will bring into it the glory and the honor of the nations. 27 But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
CONCLUSION:
ezkiel's temple was a pictoral vision of hope and future promises, ultimately pointing to Jesus, The Church, and The Eternal Kingdom, & New Jerusalem, the same city john saw.
~ whew.
that's kind of the amillennial covenant (non-dispensational) eschatological view. any damage i did to it is my fault.
Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Ephesians 2:14-15
For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace....
Matthew 11:28
Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
John 4:14
but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”
John 7:37
On the last day of the feast, the great day, Jesus stood up and cried out, “If anyone thirsts, let him come to me and drink.
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Ephesians 2:14-15
For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace....
Matthew 11:28
Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
John 4:14
but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”
John 7:37
On the last day of the feast, the great day, Jesus stood up and cried out, “If anyone thirsts, let him come to me and drink.
D
God done with israel? NO. God will never be done with Israel, they are HIS people. The remnant of his heratige.
Im normaly not one to post things from other websites, Or quote someone else. However anything i would say is all summed up nicely in this post, so im going to post it.
True Israel:
One deception that continues to confound and bring confusion among God’s people is the identity of Israel. The nation or country we call Israel is not the Israel spoken of in the Scriptures as the chosen of God’s people. Man has confused the natural with the spiritual. Because of this confusion entire doctrines have been created that manipulate the truth of God’s Word. Our enemy the devil is behind this deception, one that I myself have come out of and it is my hope that my understanding that was a long time coming to me may help you get clear on this important topic. Here are some very pointed passages that tell us who God’s people are, the ones circumcised by God Himself.
Romans 2:28-29 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.
Galatians 3:26-28 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Being Jewish means absolutely NOTHING anymore to one’s standing with God.
Philippians 3:3 Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of the false circumcision; 3for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh. Acting Jewish and following the Law of Moses died on the cross my friends. Jesus is the ONLY sacrifice.
Colossians 2:11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.
These words written by Paul speak not to people who define themselves by human ancestry but to those who turn from sin and walk with the Lord Jesus Christ. Isaiah said it: “A Redeemer will come to Zion, and to those who turn from transgression in Jacob,” declares the LORD. Jacob was the son of ISAAC and was renamed ISRAEL by God after wrestling with his flesh. As we will see below, Abraham’s children are from ISAAC’s seed and they are not children of the flesh. We are IN JACOB if we truly follow Jesus.
If Jesus Christ is really your Lord evidenced by your striving to obey Him out of true love – then you are a real Jew and are part of God’s chosen people called Israel. If you are not obeying Jesus, then He is not really your Lord even though you may say He is Lord with your lips. That is vain worship my friends and you are not in the True Spiritual Israel if you are practicing sin. It does not matter where you were born or whether your parents or forefathers were of Jewish descent or how long you went to a synagogue or a church.
For brevity I will not go into this point here except to just state it. The LAND promised to Abraham was a heavenly land, it was not a physical promise.
Hebrews 11:10 By faith he lived as an alien in the land of promise, as in a foreign land, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, fellow heirs of the same promise;10for he was looking for the city which has foundations, whose architect and builder is God.
This is the spiritual Israel, the spiritual Jerusalem, that was the promise, it was never really about a piece of land over in the middle east. The land is in our hearts and in the heavens. The amazing thing about God’s WORD is that He used the natural stories and experiences recorded in the Scriptures to teach us the spiritual wisdom we need to make it through the wilderness and enter the land of milk and honey that He promised to Abraham and his seed.
The Jews of Israel wanted to argue with Jesus about who they were. I won’t put the whole story in here, but to suffice it to say Jesus said they were children of the devil and their ancestral connection to Abraham meant nothing as it pertains to salvation.
John 8:39-41 Abraham is our father,” they answered.”If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would do the things Abraham did. 40As it is, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41You are doing the things your own father (the devil) does.”
Paul made this very clear in Romans as well in Galatians although these verses are rarely spoken of by the apostate church of these end times.
Romans 11:8 God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes so that they could not see and ears so that they could not hear, to this very day. Isaiah called this the spirit of deep sleep in Isaiah 29 but make no mistake, the original Jewish people are in a stupor today and have been blinded to the truth by this spirit (the powers of darkness) that is upon them.
Galatians 4:24-26 These things may be taken figuratively, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.
Most Christians, in fact the vast majority are in the wrong covenant — their mother is Hagar and not Sarah. They may be blessed here in this life as God did indeed bless Ishmael but these are slaves and not sons of the living God and will not inherit the Kingdom. I am not judging my friends, I am just trying to convey the truth so people will wake up and turn to the Lord in true repentance so they can be adopted into the family. We are not born into the family, we are adopted in when we are Born Again. The true Jews, the ones circumcised of the heart by the finger of God, is the Only Israel of God. This is a spiritual body of Christ and it is determined by our hearts and not what we say with our lips. This is the true church built by God Himself.
All Israel Shall Be Saved
The lie about who is Israel is a foundation upon which other lies have been built over the centuries by the tradition of men. Before you know it, one little lie has led to false doctrine which then becomes the very stumbling blocks that deceived Christians drunkenly fall down over in seeking the real Jesus Christ. The truth is that there is ONE SPIRITUAL ISRAEL. The country and nation called Israel that was created by men in 1948 – is not Israel in God’s eyes. The ancient city of Jerusalem is not the Spiritual JERUSALEM spoken of in the Scriptures. New Jerusalem has nothing to do with the country we call Israel, it has everything to do with those chosen by God who have been Born Again and have been circumcised of their heart
The powers of darkness are behind all of this false doctrines, false peace, false security, spiritual blindness and blatant deception which has befallen virtually the entire world.
Almost all prophecy of today is looking to the natural world for its signs and interpretations. This is truly foolishness as these signs refer to the spiritual things of life, not the natural. The Pharisees and wise men of Jesus’ days also were looking to the natural for their Savior and were totally blind to the spiritual reality. The exact same thing goes on today. Since I have been shown this truth by God, I have upped the ante and boldness in my speaking out. The prophecies of Daniel, Ezekiel, Zechariah, Revelation and even the words of the Lord in Matthew 24, Luke 21 and Mark 13 have already happened or are happening right now as we speak. Yet almost everyone sleeps. Jesus will come as a thief, loud and suddenly without warning. Are you ready is the question we need to be asking every morning when we wake up. This could be the last day.
I see the events in Iran, Iraq and Israel as total diversions from what is really happening in the hearts of the people. I see spiritual earthquakes, spiritual famines and almost everyone weighed down by the dissipation’s of the world. Most cling to a false peace, the Prince of Peace is not in their heart and as the judgment ratchets up, the false peace is turning to despair and gloom as the gods they know (false Jesus, demons) cannot and will not help them. If anyone thinks they can read the morning newspaper and know the things of God and the imminence of judgment, they are sadly deceived.
Pay heed to the Apostle Paul lamenting over the truth about the Holy Israel. Paul knew it was not the natural Jews that were saved and because of this he lamented.
Romans 9:1-2, 6 I am telling the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience testifies with me in the Holy Spirit, 2that I have great sorrow and unceasing grief in my heart. 6But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; 7nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “THROUGH ISAAC YOUR DESCENDANTS WILL BE NAMED.”
I have written about the foolishness of deceived men in building more and bigger churches and counting as many as they can as Christians. Jesus builds His church, the TRUE ISRAEL. All this man-made stuff is just religion and while there are people with pure hearts in these institutions that will be counted in ISRAEL, these “churches” and their buildings and doctrines do not represent the true church, which is the body of Christ. God made clear early on, even in the Book of Genesis, that only a few shall be saved and only a relative small remnant would be called His People. Moses spoke about this also to the Israelis in the wilderness.
Deuteronomy 7:7-8 The LORD did not set His love on you nor choose you because you were more in number than any of the peoples, for you were the fewest of all peoples, 8but because the LORD loved you and kept the oath which He swore to your forefathers, the LORD brought you out by a mighty hand and redeemed you from the house of slavery, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
Paul goes further in Romans citing things that were first said by the Prophets Hosea and Isaiah.
Romans 9:25-27
“I WILL CALL THOSE WHO WERE NOT MY PEOPLE, ‘MY PEOPLE,’
THOUGH THE NUMBER OF THE SONS OF ISRAEL BE LIKE THE SAND OF THE SEA, IT IS THE REMNANT THAT WILL BE SAVED
Babylon the great harlot church of TODAY is fallen away. These end time churches tolerate sin, mix with the world, are based on fleshly works to do things for God are simply handing down the traditions of men and not the words of our Lord Jesus. I flew to Kansas today and read Isaiah 28-30 on the airplane and felt sick thinking about the horror that awaits many that are falsely secure following another gospel and another Jesus. Awaken O Sleeper as our Judge approaches.
Paul described this whole topic of who is Israel and why salvation was brought to the Gentiles as a Mystery.
Romans 11:25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this MYSTERY–so that you will not be wise in your own estimation–that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in
We are indeed saved by Grace and not by works. We Gentiles despite the truth about who the true Israel is, cannot be boasting or judgmental upon the natural Jews. We owe our salvation solely to God but need to also understand it was because of the rebellion and hardening of hearts of the natural Jews that we even had the opportunity to be grafted into the vine of Jesus Christ.
There is so much Scripture that speaks to the TRUE ISRAEL as I have only scratched the surface. I will end this post with a parable from our Lord Jesus. This parable says it all. The original people of Israel were the farmers, who killed the prophets and the Lord . The Lord brought an end to the wickedness and rented out the vineyard to others tenants (us Gentiles).
Matthew 21 Listen to another parable: There was a landowner who planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and went away on a journey. 34When the harvest time approached, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his fruit. 35“The tenants seized his servants; they beat one, killed another, and stoned a third. 36Then he sent other servants to them, more than the first time, and the tenants treated them the same way. 37Last of all, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said. 38“But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him and take his inheritance.’ 39So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him. 40“Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?” 41“He will bring those wretches to a wretched end,” they replied, “and he will rent the vineyard to other tenants, who will give him his share of the crop at harvest time.”
The Jews rejected Jesus and He rejected them. He left their house desolate.
42Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures: ” ‘The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone, the Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes’. 43“Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.
God will save His people, His Holy Remnant called Israel. But who God saves is the spiritual Israel – ALL ISRAEL WILL BE SAVED. Every single promise God made to Israel will be fullfilled. But the Israel of God is those who have been circumcised by God and who serve the LORD Jesus Christ.
God only has one people and one bride. There is only one vine of Israel. It has never changed despite the teachings of wise religious men. I encourage you to read Ezekiel 37 carefully understanding God’s plan of redemption for HIS ONE PEOPLE. They have been brought together through the finished works of Jesus.
Ezekiel 37:19 Thus says the Lord GOD: “Surely I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel, his companions; and I will join them with it, with the stick of Judah, and make them ONE STICK, and they will be one in My hand.
In closing I want to make sure arrogant and blind people do not twist my words. I have nothing against the ancestral Jewish people, but they are not Israel according to my Bible. These people are my neighbors and I will love them and do no harm to them. But if I don’t tell them the truth about who the Israel of God really is, I am doing violence to the Word and may be shedding their blood. The truth sets us free, not some carnal logic that leads us to tell people what they want to hear. People are never saved by having their ears tickled.
With clarity on who the true Israel is, we can go back into our Bibles and see a lot more truth. Anybody that is of natural Jewish roots will be judged the same as someone born in Africa or Antarctica. If Jesus Christ is found to be your LORD as proven by your heart and your deeds, then you are a son of God and the true Israel. Sadly, most Jewish people believe they are saved simply because they are descendants in the flesh of Jewish people from the days of old. As the Scriptures in this post attest, nothing could be further from the truth. Those that believe that are under the spirit of stupor Paul described to this very day.
All we can do for the lost Jews of today is to preach the true gospel and pray that God will intercede and bring them near to the light. There comes a point where hearts get so hardened with false doctrine that there is little hope for repentance. But with God all things are possible so we need to keep praying and preaching nonetheless but remember not to cast our pearls to the swine.
True Israel Truth In Scripture <---(there is a video on the bottom of this page that goes with the exhortation, but i couldnt find a way to post it)
Im normaly not one to post things from other websites, Or quote someone else. However anything i would say is all summed up nicely in this post, so im going to post it.
True Israel:
One deception that continues to confound and bring confusion among God’s people is the identity of Israel. The nation or country we call Israel is not the Israel spoken of in the Scriptures as the chosen of God’s people. Man has confused the natural with the spiritual. Because of this confusion entire doctrines have been created that manipulate the truth of God’s Word. Our enemy the devil is behind this deception, one that I myself have come out of and it is my hope that my understanding that was a long time coming to me may help you get clear on this important topic. Here are some very pointed passages that tell us who God’s people are, the ones circumcised by God Himself.
Romans 2:28-29 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.
Galatians 3:26-28 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Being Jewish means absolutely NOTHING anymore to one’s standing with God.
Philippians 3:3 Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of the false circumcision; 3for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh. Acting Jewish and following the Law of Moses died on the cross my friends. Jesus is the ONLY sacrifice.
Colossians 2:11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.
These words written by Paul speak not to people who define themselves by human ancestry but to those who turn from sin and walk with the Lord Jesus Christ. Isaiah said it: “A Redeemer will come to Zion, and to those who turn from transgression in Jacob,” declares the LORD. Jacob was the son of ISAAC and was renamed ISRAEL by God after wrestling with his flesh. As we will see below, Abraham’s children are from ISAAC’s seed and they are not children of the flesh. We are IN JACOB if we truly follow Jesus.
If Jesus Christ is really your Lord evidenced by your striving to obey Him out of true love – then you are a real Jew and are part of God’s chosen people called Israel. If you are not obeying Jesus, then He is not really your Lord even though you may say He is Lord with your lips. That is vain worship my friends and you are not in the True Spiritual Israel if you are practicing sin. It does not matter where you were born or whether your parents or forefathers were of Jewish descent or how long you went to a synagogue or a church.
For brevity I will not go into this point here except to just state it. The LAND promised to Abraham was a heavenly land, it was not a physical promise.
Hebrews 11:10 By faith he lived as an alien in the land of promise, as in a foreign land, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, fellow heirs of the same promise;10for he was looking for the city which has foundations, whose architect and builder is God.
This is the spiritual Israel, the spiritual Jerusalem, that was the promise, it was never really about a piece of land over in the middle east. The land is in our hearts and in the heavens. The amazing thing about God’s WORD is that He used the natural stories and experiences recorded in the Scriptures to teach us the spiritual wisdom we need to make it through the wilderness and enter the land of milk and honey that He promised to Abraham and his seed.
The Jews of Israel wanted to argue with Jesus about who they were. I won’t put the whole story in here, but to suffice it to say Jesus said they were children of the devil and their ancestral connection to Abraham meant nothing as it pertains to salvation.
John 8:39-41 Abraham is our father,” they answered.”If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would do the things Abraham did. 40As it is, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41You are doing the things your own father (the devil) does.”
Paul made this very clear in Romans as well in Galatians although these verses are rarely spoken of by the apostate church of these end times.
Romans 11:8 God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes so that they could not see and ears so that they could not hear, to this very day. Isaiah called this the spirit of deep sleep in Isaiah 29 but make no mistake, the original Jewish people are in a stupor today and have been blinded to the truth by this spirit (the powers of darkness) that is upon them.
Galatians 4:24-26 These things may be taken figuratively, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.
Most Christians, in fact the vast majority are in the wrong covenant — their mother is Hagar and not Sarah. They may be blessed here in this life as God did indeed bless Ishmael but these are slaves and not sons of the living God and will not inherit the Kingdom. I am not judging my friends, I am just trying to convey the truth so people will wake up and turn to the Lord in true repentance so they can be adopted into the family. We are not born into the family, we are adopted in when we are Born Again. The true Jews, the ones circumcised of the heart by the finger of God, is the Only Israel of God. This is a spiritual body of Christ and it is determined by our hearts and not what we say with our lips. This is the true church built by God Himself.
All Israel Shall Be Saved
The lie about who is Israel is a foundation upon which other lies have been built over the centuries by the tradition of men. Before you know it, one little lie has led to false doctrine which then becomes the very stumbling blocks that deceived Christians drunkenly fall down over in seeking the real Jesus Christ. The truth is that there is ONE SPIRITUAL ISRAEL. The country and nation called Israel that was created by men in 1948 – is not Israel in God’s eyes. The ancient city of Jerusalem is not the Spiritual JERUSALEM spoken of in the Scriptures. New Jerusalem has nothing to do with the country we call Israel, it has everything to do with those chosen by God who have been Born Again and have been circumcised of their heart
The powers of darkness are behind all of this false doctrines, false peace, false security, spiritual blindness and blatant deception which has befallen virtually the entire world.
Almost all prophecy of today is looking to the natural world for its signs and interpretations. This is truly foolishness as these signs refer to the spiritual things of life, not the natural. The Pharisees and wise men of Jesus’ days also were looking to the natural for their Savior and were totally blind to the spiritual reality. The exact same thing goes on today. Since I have been shown this truth by God, I have upped the ante and boldness in my speaking out. The prophecies of Daniel, Ezekiel, Zechariah, Revelation and even the words of the Lord in Matthew 24, Luke 21 and Mark 13 have already happened or are happening right now as we speak. Yet almost everyone sleeps. Jesus will come as a thief, loud and suddenly without warning. Are you ready is the question we need to be asking every morning when we wake up. This could be the last day.
I see the events in Iran, Iraq and Israel as total diversions from what is really happening in the hearts of the people. I see spiritual earthquakes, spiritual famines and almost everyone weighed down by the dissipation’s of the world. Most cling to a false peace, the Prince of Peace is not in their heart and as the judgment ratchets up, the false peace is turning to despair and gloom as the gods they know (false Jesus, demons) cannot and will not help them. If anyone thinks they can read the morning newspaper and know the things of God and the imminence of judgment, they are sadly deceived.
Pay heed to the Apostle Paul lamenting over the truth about the Holy Israel. Paul knew it was not the natural Jews that were saved and because of this he lamented.
Romans 9:1-2, 6 I am telling the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience testifies with me in the Holy Spirit, 2that I have great sorrow and unceasing grief in my heart. 6But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; 7nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “THROUGH ISAAC YOUR DESCENDANTS WILL BE NAMED.”
I have written about the foolishness of deceived men in building more and bigger churches and counting as many as they can as Christians. Jesus builds His church, the TRUE ISRAEL. All this man-made stuff is just religion and while there are people with pure hearts in these institutions that will be counted in ISRAEL, these “churches” and their buildings and doctrines do not represent the true church, which is the body of Christ. God made clear early on, even in the Book of Genesis, that only a few shall be saved and only a relative small remnant would be called His People. Moses spoke about this also to the Israelis in the wilderness.
Deuteronomy 7:7-8 The LORD did not set His love on you nor choose you because you were more in number than any of the peoples, for you were the fewest of all peoples, 8but because the LORD loved you and kept the oath which He swore to your forefathers, the LORD brought you out by a mighty hand and redeemed you from the house of slavery, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
Paul goes further in Romans citing things that were first said by the Prophets Hosea and Isaiah.
Romans 9:25-27
“I WILL CALL THOSE WHO WERE NOT MY PEOPLE, ‘MY PEOPLE,’
THOUGH THE NUMBER OF THE SONS OF ISRAEL BE LIKE THE SAND OF THE SEA, IT IS THE REMNANT THAT WILL BE SAVED
Babylon the great harlot church of TODAY is fallen away. These end time churches tolerate sin, mix with the world, are based on fleshly works to do things for God are simply handing down the traditions of men and not the words of our Lord Jesus. I flew to Kansas today and read Isaiah 28-30 on the airplane and felt sick thinking about the horror that awaits many that are falsely secure following another gospel and another Jesus. Awaken O Sleeper as our Judge approaches.
Paul described this whole topic of who is Israel and why salvation was brought to the Gentiles as a Mystery.
Romans 11:25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this MYSTERY–so that you will not be wise in your own estimation–that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in
We are indeed saved by Grace and not by works. We Gentiles despite the truth about who the true Israel is, cannot be boasting or judgmental upon the natural Jews. We owe our salvation solely to God but need to also understand it was because of the rebellion and hardening of hearts of the natural Jews that we even had the opportunity to be grafted into the vine of Jesus Christ.
There is so much Scripture that speaks to the TRUE ISRAEL as I have only scratched the surface. I will end this post with a parable from our Lord Jesus. This parable says it all. The original people of Israel were the farmers, who killed the prophets and the Lord . The Lord brought an end to the wickedness and rented out the vineyard to others tenants (us Gentiles).
Matthew 21 Listen to another parable: There was a landowner who planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and went away on a journey. 34When the harvest time approached, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his fruit. 35“The tenants seized his servants; they beat one, killed another, and stoned a third. 36Then he sent other servants to them, more than the first time, and the tenants treated them the same way. 37Last of all, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said. 38“But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him and take his inheritance.’ 39So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him. 40“Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?” 41“He will bring those wretches to a wretched end,” they replied, “and he will rent the vineyard to other tenants, who will give him his share of the crop at harvest time.”
The Jews rejected Jesus and He rejected them. He left their house desolate.
42Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures: ” ‘The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone, the Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes’. 43“Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.
God will save His people, His Holy Remnant called Israel. But who God saves is the spiritual Israel – ALL ISRAEL WILL BE SAVED. Every single promise God made to Israel will be fullfilled. But the Israel of God is those who have been circumcised by God and who serve the LORD Jesus Christ.
God only has one people and one bride. There is only one vine of Israel. It has never changed despite the teachings of wise religious men. I encourage you to read Ezekiel 37 carefully understanding God’s plan of redemption for HIS ONE PEOPLE. They have been brought together through the finished works of Jesus.
Ezekiel 37:19 Thus says the Lord GOD: “Surely I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel, his companions; and I will join them with it, with the stick of Judah, and make them ONE STICK, and they will be one in My hand.
In closing I want to make sure arrogant and blind people do not twist my words. I have nothing against the ancestral Jewish people, but they are not Israel according to my Bible. These people are my neighbors and I will love them and do no harm to them. But if I don’t tell them the truth about who the Israel of God really is, I am doing violence to the Word and may be shedding their blood. The truth sets us free, not some carnal logic that leads us to tell people what they want to hear. People are never saved by having their ears tickled.
With clarity on who the true Israel is, we can go back into our Bibles and see a lot more truth. Anybody that is of natural Jewish roots will be judged the same as someone born in Africa or Antarctica. If Jesus Christ is found to be your LORD as proven by your heart and your deeds, then you are a son of God and the true Israel. Sadly, most Jewish people believe they are saved simply because they are descendants in the flesh of Jewish people from the days of old. As the Scriptures in this post attest, nothing could be further from the truth. Those that believe that are under the spirit of stupor Paul described to this very day.
All we can do for the lost Jews of today is to preach the true gospel and pray that God will intercede and bring them near to the light. There comes a point where hearts get so hardened with false doctrine that there is little hope for repentance. But with God all things are possible so we need to keep praying and preaching nonetheless but remember not to cast our pearls to the swine.
True Israel Truth In Scripture <---(there is a video on the bottom of this page that goes with the exhortation, but i couldnt find a way to post it)
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Good Evening, I see some questions being made and I hope these answers I found can help.
Referring to Joshua 21:43
And the Lord gave Vito Israel all the land which He swore to give unto their fathers: and they possessed it, and dwelt therein
Zone I think under that scripture you said " God fulfilled the TEMPORAL Land Promise" Is that correct? If so please see Isaiah 9: 6-7
6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
I'm with the understanding this is saying that After the Second Advent the Davidic Kingdom will be RESTORED.
Also in Zechariah 14: 10-11
10All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and [from] the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.
11And [men] shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited
Does this not say that there will be PHYSICAL changes in Palestine and in vs 11 Jerusalem to be RESTORED with being safe from harm? This has not taken place yet so this is Unfulfilled.
In the N.T. see Luke 1:32-33
32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end
This was the Angel Gabriel speaking to Mary about her Son Jesus BEFORE he was born and this has not yet come to pass. This is unfulfilled.
Referring to Joshua 21:43
And the Lord gave Vito Israel all the land which He swore to give unto their fathers: and they possessed it, and dwelt therein
Zone I think under that scripture you said " God fulfilled the TEMPORAL Land Promise" Is that correct? If so please see Isaiah 9: 6-7
6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
I'm with the understanding this is saying that After the Second Advent the Davidic Kingdom will be RESTORED.
Also in Zechariah 14: 10-11
10All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and [from] the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.
11And [men] shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited
Does this not say that there will be PHYSICAL changes in Palestine and in vs 11 Jerusalem to be RESTORED with being safe from harm? This has not taken place yet so this is Unfulfilled.
In the N.T. see Luke 1:32-33
32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end
This was the Angel Gabriel speaking to Mary about her Son Jesus BEFORE he was born and this has not yet come to pass. This is unfulfilled.
28 Tevet, 5768 / January 6, 2008
In the Name of the Lord, Eternal God
To The Honorable Mr. George W. Bush,
President of the United States of America,
Who comes seeking the presence of the Most High God, to Jerusalem, city of God, Divinely chosen site of the Holy Temple, eternal capital of our land, "the joy of the entire earth (Psalms 48:3)," may it be rebuilt and established speedily and in our days, Amen!
Esteemed Mr. George W. Bush, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal (Ezekiel 38:1), leader of the west! << all in the family i guess.
Upon your arrival in Jerusalem you have the ability to make a declaration, as did Cyrus, King of Persia - whose memory is honored - who in the year 538 BCE returned the exiled nations to their lands and recognized the full right of the Jewish people to reestablish their Holy Temple, the "house of prayer for all nations" (Isaiah 56:7), and called upon them to return to their land,
And in the manner of Lord James Balfour of England, who in 1917, called upon the Jews to reestablish a national homeland in the Land of Israel.
And thus if you truly desire peace and benevolence, and you would be counted in the company of the truly righteous, we call upon you to declare to all the world:
The Land of Israel was bequeathed to the nation of Israel by the Creator of the world. Neither could I, as a son of my faith, nor the Muslims according to their faith, ever take away even the slightest grain from the Eternal's gift, which He gave to His people Israel, the eternal people. Thus I call upon all the nations to save themselves from certain doom, to return and recognize That this land is the exclusive rightful inheritance of the people of Israel, as is written in the Torah of Israel, which constitutes the very foundation of our faith, as well as that of Islam; and is the basis for the decisions of the community of nations. He who denies this truth endangers all life on earth.
I shall dedicate all my strength and resources towards settling the Jewish people throughout their entire land. I shall greatly encourage and empower the Jews all over the world to rise up to the Land of Israel and to settle it, to establish God's sanctuary in Jerusalem, to distance strangers from it and thus, I believe, I will be making a major contribution towards world peace.
I cannot simultaneously support the establishment of a foreign state for an alien nation in the Land of Israel, and I will not lend my hand to this wrong.
Or - Heaven forbid - you can choose the second option - to willfully aid in the destruction, under the guise of peace!
You certainly know what the God of Israel did to Egypt and Assyria and to all Israel's enemies from time immemorial: Do you imagine that you will be able to save yourself if you have come to implement a plan that intends to steal the land of "the people that survived the sword" (Jeremiah 31:1), and to cut off those who survived the Holocaust, to rob the land that was given to them by the Creator?
All of the peace treaties and initiatives which have been based upon the decisions of the government of Israel, indeed the entire Oslo process, and the 'Disengagement,' and the establishment of a terrorist state within the Land of Israel known as 'Palestine' - regrettably, all of these agreements are the result of a lack of sufficient faith in the Divine promises that the Lord made to the patriarchs of our nation, and all that is written in the Torah of Israel. Understand this well: the nations of the world cannot excuse their actions and their decisions on account of the weakness of Israel and her government. God ordained that the role of the nations of the world is to strengthen the nation of Israel. This will benefit all humanity and bring about world peace, as the prophets have foretold.
Do you imagine you can escape from the struggles in Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, and Lebanon, by offering up sacrifices of the Jews who are slaughtered daily by their enemies who speak of peace but live by the sword?
Upon your arrival in our land we would anticipate that you bring Jonathan Pollard home with you. Bring him home to Israel. He is an emissary of the State of Israel, and he acted on behalf of our people.
Authorize his immediate release while you are yet in Jerusalem, before you return to the United States. This will be a positive step that will build confidence.
Remember our forefather Abraham, who pursued the world's four greatest kings in order to redeem his nephew from captivity. We cannot forget the deeds of our patriarchs, whose example guides us through every generation.
We are the loyal representatives of the Jewish people, the New Jewish Congress, and its court of law, the Sanhedrin, as well as the Temple and Temple Mount movements, but we merely reiterate herein what is public knowledge.
No government in Israel and no representative of the Jewish people has the power or right to alter, by even the slightest degree, our covenant with God and the words of our holy Torah, which are everlasting, as expressed by the prophets of Israel and even by the wicked prophet Balaam: "Then he looked on Amalek, and uttered his oracle, saying: 'First among the nations was Amalek, but its end is to perish for ever' (Numbers 24:20). Thus any desire, plan or agreement that challenges the eternal sovereignty and active possession of the nation of Israel over her entire land is utterly worthless, and has no basis in reality.
Therefore it behooves you to declare: "I, George Bush, Commander in Chief of the armies of the United States of America, will instruct all of my troops to protect the Divine rights of the nation of Israel, and remove from her any threat."
Before you is a choice: You can merit to eternal life, or be inscribed for eternal disgrace. Your fate and that of all those with you hangs in the balance of the destiny of our land.
"and you shall choose life!" (Deut. 30:19).
In Sincere Supplication - In the name of the Jewish people
Rabbi A Even Yisrael Steinzaltz
The Sanhedrin
Dr. Gadi Eshel
The New Jewish Congress
Rabbi Chaim Richman
The Holy Temple and Temple Mount Movements
The Temple Institute: Megillat Bush
In the Name of the Lord, Eternal God
To The Honorable Mr. George W. Bush,
President of the United States of America,
Who comes seeking the presence of the Most High God, to Jerusalem, city of God, Divinely chosen site of the Holy Temple, eternal capital of our land, "the joy of the entire earth (Psalms 48:3)," may it be rebuilt and established speedily and in our days, Amen!
Esteemed Mr. George W. Bush, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal (Ezekiel 38:1), leader of the west! << all in the family i guess.
Upon your arrival in Jerusalem you have the ability to make a declaration, as did Cyrus, King of Persia - whose memory is honored - who in the year 538 BCE returned the exiled nations to their lands and recognized the full right of the Jewish people to reestablish their Holy Temple, the "house of prayer for all nations" (Isaiah 56:7), and called upon them to return to their land,
And in the manner of Lord James Balfour of England, who in 1917, called upon the Jews to reestablish a national homeland in the Land of Israel.
And thus if you truly desire peace and benevolence, and you would be counted in the company of the truly righteous, we call upon you to declare to all the world:
The Land of Israel was bequeathed to the nation of Israel by the Creator of the world. Neither could I, as a son of my faith, nor the Muslims according to their faith, ever take away even the slightest grain from the Eternal's gift, which He gave to His people Israel, the eternal people. Thus I call upon all the nations to save themselves from certain doom, to return and recognize That this land is the exclusive rightful inheritance of the people of Israel, as is written in the Torah of Israel, which constitutes the very foundation of our faith, as well as that of Islam; and is the basis for the decisions of the community of nations. He who denies this truth endangers all life on earth.
I shall dedicate all my strength and resources towards settling the Jewish people throughout their entire land. I shall greatly encourage and empower the Jews all over the world to rise up to the Land of Israel and to settle it, to establish God's sanctuary in Jerusalem, to distance strangers from it and thus, I believe, I will be making a major contribution towards world peace.
I cannot simultaneously support the establishment of a foreign state for an alien nation in the Land of Israel, and I will not lend my hand to this wrong.
Or - Heaven forbid - you can choose the second option - to willfully aid in the destruction, under the guise of peace!
You certainly know what the God of Israel did to Egypt and Assyria and to all Israel's enemies from time immemorial: Do you imagine that you will be able to save yourself if you have come to implement a plan that intends to steal the land of "the people that survived the sword" (Jeremiah 31:1), and to cut off those who survived the Holocaust, to rob the land that was given to them by the Creator?
All of the peace treaties and initiatives which have been based upon the decisions of the government of Israel, indeed the entire Oslo process, and the 'Disengagement,' and the establishment of a terrorist state within the Land of Israel known as 'Palestine' - regrettably, all of these agreements are the result of a lack of sufficient faith in the Divine promises that the Lord made to the patriarchs of our nation, and all that is written in the Torah of Israel. Understand this well: the nations of the world cannot excuse their actions and their decisions on account of the weakness of Israel and her government. God ordained that the role of the nations of the world is to strengthen the nation of Israel. This will benefit all humanity and bring about world peace, as the prophets have foretold.
Do you imagine you can escape from the struggles in Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, and Lebanon, by offering up sacrifices of the Jews who are slaughtered daily by their enemies who speak of peace but live by the sword?
Upon your arrival in our land we would anticipate that you bring Jonathan Pollard home with you. Bring him home to Israel. He is an emissary of the State of Israel, and he acted on behalf of our people.
Authorize his immediate release while you are yet in Jerusalem, before you return to the United States. This will be a positive step that will build confidence.
Remember our forefather Abraham, who pursued the world's four greatest kings in order to redeem his nephew from captivity. We cannot forget the deeds of our patriarchs, whose example guides us through every generation.
We are the loyal representatives of the Jewish people, the New Jewish Congress, and its court of law, the Sanhedrin, as well as the Temple and Temple Mount movements, but we merely reiterate herein what is public knowledge.
No government in Israel and no representative of the Jewish people has the power or right to alter, by even the slightest degree, our covenant with God and the words of our holy Torah, which are everlasting, as expressed by the prophets of Israel and even by the wicked prophet Balaam: "Then he looked on Amalek, and uttered his oracle, saying: 'First among the nations was Amalek, but its end is to perish for ever' (Numbers 24:20). Thus any desire, plan or agreement that challenges the eternal sovereignty and active possession of the nation of Israel over her entire land is utterly worthless, and has no basis in reality.
Therefore it behooves you to declare: "I, George Bush, Commander in Chief of the armies of the United States of America, will instruct all of my troops to protect the Divine rights of the nation of Israel, and remove from her any threat."
Before you is a choice: You can merit to eternal life, or be inscribed for eternal disgrace. Your fate and that of all those with you hangs in the balance of the destiny of our land.
"and you shall choose life!" (Deut. 30:19).
In Sincere Supplication - In the name of the Jewish people
Rabbi A Even Yisrael Steinzaltz
The Sanhedrin
Dr. Gadi Eshel
The New Jewish Congress
Rabbi Chaim Richman
The Holy Temple and Temple Mount Movements
The Temple Institute: Megillat Bush