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Mark 16:15
to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.”
Romans 1:16-
“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
Romans 10:17 KJV
“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.”
John 5:22, 24-25 KJV
“That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation:
in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.”
Ephesians 1:12-14 KJV
“And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.”
Luke 7:50 KJV
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Okay good good thanks for bearing with me and clearing that up
that’s what I’m saying believe the gospel Jesus preached meant for salvation and be saved
the thing is brother like he uses the term of planting his seeds in us and seed time and growth into an eventual fruitful plant but first comes the planting , then the watering and light needs to shine before the seed becomes anything , then it grows and gets some leaves , then eventually it begins to bear some fruit and also need some pruning work so it can bear more fruit
the gospel is what we share and believe not just the instructions but also all of the love and care how he treated sinners , and how he treated the religious and self righteous . He is not just our teacher , but example in how he lives and how he treated others who were down and had been struggling with sin in thier life
but every time they came to him in faith he forgave their sins not by dying but by his authority to forgive sins because of who Jesus is.
He sat and ate with a law keeper , then known sinner with many sins comes in weeping because she believes in who Jesus is and it’s bringing her into repentance hearing what is coming ahead for him
Jesus didn’t treat sinners like most people would think but , we have to believe the gospel to
Know that . Jesus didn’t teach what Moses taught , but we have to believe the gospel to know that . Jesus never said no one needs to repent now , but we don’t know that until we learn and believe the gospel , the only way to know how to be saved is to believe the gospel
is my point
“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
1 John 5:19-20 KJV
But we have to believe the gospel to know that , the epistles say it also but thier wirnessing the gospel is why . Thier teaching the gospel with a bit more revelation but try same principles all together everything Jesus taught in the gospel
Repentance and remission of sins , eternal Life , eternal judgement , we learn of the father only by the son and we have to believe the gospel to be saved
that’s all I’m saying but when a person hears about Jesus say later in life or even if that’s when they really begin taking him seriously they’ve probably sinned a lot in life prolly aren’t going to be very knowledgeable day 1 year one , or so on it takes time tollearn the gospel expansively salvation comes by belief and belief can only be when we hear the gospel in order to believe it so he sent Them out to preach it to everyone and whoever believes will be saved
but the learned and teachers are held to a much higher standard in life than the ones they are teaching is the truth because they have understanding the students don’t have . The more we understand , the more we are accountable for .
Faith has that principle babes are saved , because they aren’t judged as an adult
...but adults who are still acting as if they are babes are in danger and need to wake up from their slumber
that’s what I’m saying believe the gospel Jesus preached meant for salvation and be saved
the thing is brother like he uses the term of planting his seeds in us and seed time and growth into an eventual fruitful plant but first comes the planting , then the watering and light needs to shine before the seed becomes anything , then it grows and gets some leaves , then eventually it begins to bear some fruit and also need some pruning work so it can bear more fruit
the gospel is what we share and believe not just the instructions but also all of the love and care how he treated sinners , and how he treated the religious and self righteous . He is not just our teacher , but example in how he lives and how he treated others who were down and had been struggling with sin in thier life
but every time they came to him in faith he forgave their sins not by dying but by his authority to forgive sins because of who Jesus is.
He sat and ate with a law keeper , then known sinner with many sins comes in weeping because she believes in who Jesus is and it’s bringing her into repentance hearing what is coming ahead for him
Jesus didn’t treat sinners like most people would think but , we have to believe the gospel to
Know that . Jesus didn’t teach what Moses taught , but we have to believe the gospel to know that . Jesus never said no one needs to repent now , but we don’t know that until we learn and believe the gospel , the only way to know how to be saved is to believe the gospel
is my point
“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
1 John 5:19-20 KJV
But we have to believe the gospel to know that , the epistles say it also but thier wirnessing the gospel is why . Thier teaching the gospel with a bit more revelation but try same principles all together everything Jesus taught in the gospel
Repentance and remission of sins , eternal Life , eternal judgement , we learn of the father only by the son and we have to believe the gospel to be saved
that’s all I’m saying but when a person hears about Jesus say later in life or even if that’s when they really begin taking him seriously they’ve probably sinned a lot in life prolly aren’t going to be very knowledgeable day 1 year one , or so on it takes time tollearn the gospel expansively salvation comes by belief and belief can only be when we hear the gospel in order to believe it so he sent Them out to preach it to everyone and whoever believes will be saved
but the learned and teachers are held to a much higher standard in life than the ones they are teaching is the truth because they have understanding the students don’t have . The more we understand , the more we are accountable for .
Faith has that principle babes are saved , because they aren’t judged as an adult
...but adults who are still acting as if they are babes are in danger and need to wake up from their slumber
i think it’s because the gospel is what Jesus preached ,
“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:1, 14-15
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14 KJV
your reducing the gospel of the kingdom to a couple verses and it doesn’t work that way . What your saying is a part , a piece but it’s not everything like you are thinking and insisting everyone agree to it’s just not what is there brother . It isn’t meant to argue with you , correct you , any such thing. It’s just that you are insisting the actual true gospel is t the gospel and insisting “ the triangle of truth “ is needed but that’s not actually in scripture anywhere and what Jesus said is donors hard to abandon Gods word in favor of someone’s insistant argument
again the gospel is not hard to know what it is there are four books in the Bible titled “ the gospel according to Matthew “ according to mark, like and John .
that’s the gospel it is the life Christ spent on earth , the word he spoke after baptism , his love exhibited to sinners , his death on the cross for thier sins , his resurrection from death and also his ascension to Gods right hand in heaven.
Any other matter is in the gospel eternal judgement , all the rebukes and corrections we need , all the teaching and encouragement we need , all of the assurance that Jesus is able and willing to save us the gospel is the gospel it doesn’t sin up in someone’s thought of a teaching we are to spend our lives walking in seeking and following as we learn and grow
there’s always more in the gospel always something To press us forward and make us grow
my opinion is people who believe the gospel are going to have a hard time coming of that to agree with what you are saying but that’s just my thought about it
“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:1, 14-15
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14 KJV
your reducing the gospel of the kingdom to a couple verses and it doesn’t work that way . What your saying is a part , a piece but it’s not everything like you are thinking and insisting everyone agree to it’s just not what is there brother . It isn’t meant to argue with you , correct you , any such thing. It’s just that you are insisting the actual true gospel is t the gospel and insisting “ the triangle of truth “ is needed but that’s not actually in scripture anywhere and what Jesus said is donors hard to abandon Gods word in favor of someone’s insistant argument
again the gospel is not hard to know what it is there are four books in the Bible titled “ the gospel according to Matthew “ according to mark, like and John .
that’s the gospel it is the life Christ spent on earth , the word he spoke after baptism , his love exhibited to sinners , his death on the cross for thier sins , his resurrection from death and also his ascension to Gods right hand in heaven.
Any other matter is in the gospel eternal judgement , all the rebukes and corrections we need , all the teaching and encouragement we need , all of the assurance that Jesus is able and willing to save us the gospel is the gospel it doesn’t sin up in someone’s thought of a teaching we are to spend our lives walking in seeking and following as we learn and grow
there’s always more in the gospel always something To press us forward and make us grow
my opinion is people who believe the gospel are going to have a hard time coming of that to agree with what you are saying but that’s just my thought about it
“Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him,
and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.”
Luke 3:21-22 KJV
“And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor;
he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind,
to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.
And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.”
Luke 4:17-19, 21, 43 KJV
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
“And he asked for a writing table, and wrote, saying, His name is John. And they marvelled all.
And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways; To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins, Through the tender mercy of our God;
whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,
To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace. And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel.”
Luke 1:63, 76-80 KJV
“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
And preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose.
I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.”
Mark 1:1-2, 4, 7-8 KJV
“For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
And if ye will receive it, this is Elijah , which was for to come. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
Matthew 11:13-15 KJV
“Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:”
Malachi 4:5 KJV
“The law and the prophets were until John:
since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
Luke 16:16
“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
Acts 28:30-31 KJV
“Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.”
Colossians 1:12-18 KJV
and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.”
Luke 3:21-22 KJV
“And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor;
he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind,
to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.
And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.”
Luke 4:17-19, 21, 43 KJV
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
“And he asked for a writing table, and wrote, saying, His name is John. And they marvelled all.
And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways; To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins, Through the tender mercy of our God;
whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,
To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace. And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel.”
Luke 1:63, 76-80 KJV
“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
And preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose.
I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.”
Mark 1:1-2, 4, 7-8 KJV
“For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
And if ye will receive it, this is Elijah , which was for to come. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
Matthew 11:13-15 KJV
“Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:”
Malachi 4:5 KJV
“The law and the prophets were until John:
since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
Luke 16:16
“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
Acts 28:30-31 KJV
“Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.”
Colossians 1:12-18 KJV
I think there are two schools of thought here:
(1) "Fire baptism" and "tares into fire" refer to the same thing
(2) Each refers to a different thing
I think the proponents of (2) don't disagree with the idea of tares to hellfire. The question is about the peculiar combination of "baptism" and "by fire" in the passage. There are other passages in the Bible that talk about being unharmed by fire, and YHWH Himself appears as a burning bush that is not consumed by the fire.
"19 Then was Nebuchadnezzar full of fury, and the form of his visage was changed against Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego: therefore he spake, and commanded that they should heat the furnace one seven times more than it was wont to be heated. 20 And he commanded the most mighty men that were in his army to bind Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, and to cast them into the burning fiery furnace. 21 Then these men were bound in their coats, their hosen, and their hats, and their other garments, and were cast into the midst of the burning fiery furnace. 22 Therefore because the king's commandment was urgent, and the furnace exceeding hot, the flame of the fire slew those men that took up Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. 23 And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, fell down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace. 24 Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellers, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king. 25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God. 26 Then Nebuchadnezzar came near to the mouth of the burning fiery furnace, and spake, and said, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, ye servants of the most high God, come forth, and come hither. Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, came forth of the midst of the fire. 27 And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellers, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them." - Daniel 3:19-27 KJV
in the KJV, Daniel 3:25 is a unique instance of the capitalised "Son of God" in the Old Testament. It is a prominent interpretation that this is a reference to Christ. Jesus is described as having eyes of fire in Revelation. Daniel 10 reveals a vision that is consistent with Jesus' appearance in Revelation.
1 Peter 4:12-13 KJV says, "Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy."
Are the saved spared from fire? Or just not burned by the fire?
(1) "Fire baptism" and "tares into fire" refer to the same thing
(2) Each refers to a different thing
I think the proponents of (2) don't disagree with the idea of tares to hellfire. The question is about the peculiar combination of "baptism" and "by fire" in the passage. There are other passages in the Bible that talk about being unharmed by fire, and YHWH Himself appears as a burning bush that is not consumed by the fire.
"19 Then was Nebuchadnezzar full of fury, and the form of his visage was changed against Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego: therefore he spake, and commanded that they should heat the furnace one seven times more than it was wont to be heated. 20 And he commanded the most mighty men that were in his army to bind Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, and to cast them into the burning fiery furnace. 21 Then these men were bound in their coats, their hosen, and their hats, and their other garments, and were cast into the midst of the burning fiery furnace. 22 Therefore because the king's commandment was urgent, and the furnace exceeding hot, the flame of the fire slew those men that took up Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. 23 And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, fell down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace. 24 Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellers, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king. 25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God. 26 Then Nebuchadnezzar came near to the mouth of the burning fiery furnace, and spake, and said, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, ye servants of the most high God, come forth, and come hither. Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, came forth of the midst of the fire. 27 And the princes, governors, and captains, and the king's counsellers, being gathered together, saw these men, upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor was an hair of their head singed, neither were their coats changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them." - Daniel 3:19-27 KJV
in the KJV, Daniel 3:25 is a unique instance of the capitalised "Son of God" in the Old Testament. It is a prominent interpretation that this is a reference to Christ. Jesus is described as having eyes of fire in Revelation. Daniel 10 reveals a vision that is consistent with Jesus' appearance in Revelation.
1 Peter 4:12-13 KJV says, "Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy."
Are the saved spared from fire? Or just not burned by the fire?
Does the following cut and paste relate at all to the poster's post?
Isaiah 33:14
(ABP+) [5departedG868 1TheG3588 3inG1722 4ZionG* 2lawless ones].G459 [2shall takeG2983 1Trembling]G5156 theG3588 impious.G765 WhoG5100 shall announceG312 to youG1473 thatG3754 a fireG4442 is being burned?G2545 WhoG5100 shall announceG312 to youG1473 theG3588 [2placeG5117 G3588 1eternal]?G166
(ASV) The sinners in Zion are afraid; trembling hath seized the godless ones: Who among us can dwell with the devouring fire? who among us can dwell with everlasting burnings?
(Brenton) The sinners in Sion have departed; trembling shall seize the ungodly. Who will tell you that a fire is kindled? Who will tell you of the eternal place?
(CEV) Those terrible sinners on Mount Zion tremble as they ask in fear, "How can we possibly live where a raging fire never stops burning?"
(French LS) Les pécheurs sont effrayés dans Sion, Un tremblement saisit les impies: Qui de nous pourra rester auprès d'un feu dévorant? Qui de nous pourra rester auprès de flammes éternelles? -
(French OB) Les pécheurs sont effrayés dans Sion; le tremblement saisit les impies: "Qui de nous pourra subsister devant le feu dévorant? qui de nous pourra subsister devant les flammes éternelles?"
(German EB) Die Sünder in Zion sind erschrocken, Beben hat die Ruchlosen ergriffen. "Wer von uns kann weilen bei verzehrendem Feuer? Wer von uns kann weilen bei ewigen Gluten?" -
(Hebrew OT) פחדו בציון חטאים אחזה רעדה חנפים מי יגור לנו אשׁ אוכלה מי־יגור לנו מוקדי עולם׃
(ISV) The sinners in Zion are terrified; trembling grips the godless: "Who among us can live with the consuming fire? Who among us can live with everlasting flames?"
(Italian GD) I peccatori saranno spaventati in Sion, tremito occuperà gl'ipocriti, e diranno: Chi di noi dimorerà col fuoco divorante? Chi di noi dimorerà con gli ardori eterni?
(JPS) The sinners in Zion are afraid; trembling hath seized the ungodly: 'Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? Who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?'
(KJV) The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
(KJV+) The sinnersH2400 in ZionH6726 are afraid;H6342 fearfulnessH7461 hath surprisedH270 the hypocrites.H2611 WhoH4310 among us shall dwellH1481 with the devouringH398 fire?H784 whoH4310 among us shall dwellH1481 with everlastingH5769 burnings?H4168
(KJV-1611) The sinners in Zion are afraid, fearefulnesse hath surprised the hypocrites: who among vs shall dwell with the deuouring fire? who amongst vs shall dwell with euerlasting burnings?
(KJVA) The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
(MKJV) The sinners in Zion are afraid; terror has surprised profane ones. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? Who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
(Spanish RV) Los pecadores se asombraron en Sión, espanto sobrecogió á los hipócritas. ¿Quién de nosotros morará con el fuego consumidor? ¿quién de nosotros habitará con las llamas eternas?
(Spanish RV+) Los pecadoresH2400 se asombraronH6342 en SiónH6726, espantoH7461 sobrecogióH270 á los hipócritasH2611. ¿QuiénH4310 de nosotrosH587 moraráH1481 con el fuegoH784 consumidorH398?
¿quiénH4310 de nosotrosH587 habitaráH1481 con las llamasH4168 eternasH5769?
Isaiah 33:14
(ABP+) [5departedG868 1TheG3588 3inG1722 4ZionG* 2lawless ones].G459 [2shall takeG2983 1Trembling]G5156 theG3588 impious.G765 WhoG5100 shall announceG312 to youG1473 thatG3754 a fireG4442 is being burned?G2545 WhoG5100 shall announceG312 to youG1473 theG3588 [2placeG5117 G3588 1eternal]?G166
(ASV) The sinners in Zion are afraid; trembling hath seized the godless ones: Who among us can dwell with the devouring fire? who among us can dwell with everlasting burnings?
(Brenton) The sinners in Sion have departed; trembling shall seize the ungodly. Who will tell you that a fire is kindled? Who will tell you of the eternal place?
(CEV) Those terrible sinners on Mount Zion tremble as they ask in fear, "How can we possibly live where a raging fire never stops burning?"
(French LS) Les pécheurs sont effrayés dans Sion, Un tremblement saisit les impies: Qui de nous pourra rester auprès d'un feu dévorant? Qui de nous pourra rester auprès de flammes éternelles? -
(French OB) Les pécheurs sont effrayés dans Sion; le tremblement saisit les impies: "Qui de nous pourra subsister devant le feu dévorant? qui de nous pourra subsister devant les flammes éternelles?"
(German EB) Die Sünder in Zion sind erschrocken, Beben hat die Ruchlosen ergriffen. "Wer von uns kann weilen bei verzehrendem Feuer? Wer von uns kann weilen bei ewigen Gluten?" -
(Hebrew OT) פחדו בציון חטאים אחזה רעדה חנפים מי יגור לנו אשׁ אוכלה מי־יגור לנו מוקדי עולם׃
(ISV) The sinners in Zion are terrified; trembling grips the godless: "Who among us can live with the consuming fire? Who among us can live with everlasting flames?"
(Italian GD) I peccatori saranno spaventati in Sion, tremito occuperà gl'ipocriti, e diranno: Chi di noi dimorerà col fuoco divorante? Chi di noi dimorerà con gli ardori eterni?
(JPS) The sinners in Zion are afraid; trembling hath seized the ungodly: 'Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? Who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?'
(KJV) The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
(KJV+) The sinnersH2400 in ZionH6726 are afraid;H6342 fearfulnessH7461 hath surprisedH270 the hypocrites.H2611 WhoH4310 among us shall dwellH1481 with the devouringH398 fire?H784 whoH4310 among us shall dwellH1481 with everlastingH5769 burnings?H4168
(KJV-1611) The sinners in Zion are afraid, fearefulnesse hath surprised the hypocrites: who among vs shall dwell with the deuouring fire? who amongst vs shall dwell with euerlasting burnings?
(KJVA) The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
(MKJV) The sinners in Zion are afraid; terror has surprised profane ones. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? Who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
(Spanish RV) Los pecadores se asombraron en Sión, espanto sobrecogió á los hipócritas. ¿Quién de nosotros morará con el fuego consumidor? ¿quién de nosotros habitará con las llamas eternas?
(Spanish RV+) Los pecadoresH2400 se asombraronH6342 en SiónH6726, espantoH7461 sobrecogióH270 á los hipócritasH2611. ¿QuiénH4310 de nosotrosH587 moraráH1481 con el fuegoH784 consumidorH398?
¿quiénH4310 de nosotrosH587 habitaráH1481 con las llamasH4168 eternasH5769?
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I think people may forget.
Baptism is a verb, To be placed into. To be plunged into. To immerse.
To baptize in fire is to immerse To place into or plunge into fire.
We are also told the fire shall never be quenched, This should help point us all to what fire this is,
The only fire that shall never be quenched mentioned in scripture is the fires of Hell.
What the author is telling is is that he indeed baptizes us in water in reference to remission of sin (because we have recieved it) there comes one after who is greater than he, He will baptize with the HS and fire.
If we look at Matthew, John tells us exactly what he meant
12 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”
a winnowing fan was used in Jesus day to separate the wheat from the chaff, The wheat would be placed in the barn, the chaff would be burnt in a fire that shall never be quenched. This is not just any fire. He did not just light the fire, burn the chaff then the fire went out when the chaff is consumed, The fire is always lit. Why? Because the worm will never die as scripture says.
The barn is heaven, Jesus is sifting mankind in his winnowing fan. Through baptism of the spirit, the wheat is separated from those who reject Christ who will be sent to the eternal fire that will never be quenched.
ie. Jesus will baptize everyone who ever lived. Yes, Johns baptism is important (just like water baptism today is important). But when it comes to eternity. We better chose to recieve the baptism of the Spirit by recieving Christ, Otherwise, We will be separated at he ressurection and be baptized in the eternal fire with Satan and his angels.
Baptism is a verb, To be placed into. To be plunged into. To immerse.
To baptize in fire is to immerse To place into or plunge into fire.
We are also told the fire shall never be quenched, This should help point us all to what fire this is,
The only fire that shall never be quenched mentioned in scripture is the fires of Hell.
What the author is telling is is that he indeed baptizes us in water in reference to remission of sin (because we have recieved it) there comes one after who is greater than he, He will baptize with the HS and fire.
If we look at Matthew, John tells us exactly what he meant
12 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”
a winnowing fan was used in Jesus day to separate the wheat from the chaff, The wheat would be placed in the barn, the chaff would be burnt in a fire that shall never be quenched. This is not just any fire. He did not just light the fire, burn the chaff then the fire went out when the chaff is consumed, The fire is always lit. Why? Because the worm will never die as scripture says.
The barn is heaven, Jesus is sifting mankind in his winnowing fan. Through baptism of the spirit, the wheat is separated from those who reject Christ who will be sent to the eternal fire that will never be quenched.
ie. Jesus will baptize everyone who ever lived. Yes, Johns baptism is important (just like water baptism today is important). But when it comes to eternity. We better chose to recieve the baptism of the Spirit by recieving Christ, Otherwise, We will be separated at he ressurection and be baptized in the eternal fire with Satan and his angels.