Is the Holy Spirit showing us God can be anywhere and everywhere at the same time (Omnipresent|Omniscient)?

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What are the chances the Old Covenant was literally about the flesh? Could us under the New Covenant be becoming Spiritual Angels to replace the fallen ones? Are the Jews going to become man again on a new Earth? I wouldn't mind being an Angel, it's just a little strange we weren't directly told ..maybe that would have caused a problem that I'm not seeing.
“What are the chances the Old Covenant was literally about the flesh?”

it’s a covenant made with man with the flesh and blood of Abram who was the father of Isaac , who was the father of Jacob , who God renamed Israel when he wrestled with the heavenly man until daybreak and they were deadlocked

ever read that story when he renamed Jacob and Israel was born ? But then all of Jacobs who was named Israel’s sons 12 of them became israel and its division of the twelve tribes.

Moses covenant was acrually
Made with the blood descendants of Abram Isaac and Jacob . But this was the covenant when it was made with the children of Israel

See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

In that I command thee this day to love the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the Lord thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live”



The covenant could be either a blessing and long life in the land of promise of they obeyed every command and ordinance .

but when they broke it at any point , it then became a curse to the transgressor and calls for thier separation from God.

see brother even a liar is in this position

“But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

all Who do and promote and excuse sin is in this position

“The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:41-43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

but also all who judge others for sin are in this position

“But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest:

for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged:

condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned:

forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom.

For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch? The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:35-40‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.”

What I think we do is look at our own self first if we’re a sinner the. We have no place judging anyone , but we can tell them about Gods mercy and the laws of Christ in the gospel so the sinner can see forgiveness and mercy

“Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬


If we were to learn the principles like that in the gospel and practice and also share them

“So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy;

and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:12-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.”
‭‭James‬ ‭5:19-20‬ ‭

“But the end of all things is at hand:

be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.

And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.

Use hospitality one to another without grudging.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭4:7-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee,

and the other a publican.

The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.


And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other:

for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭18:9-14‬ ‭

it’s hard for self righteous people to accept the gospel because it tells them to look first at their own sins before they look at others . It’s tough but many never acknowledge thier sins and secrets to God

“If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1:6-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

light makes what is in darkness visable. So we will repent but

“And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:19-21‬ ‭


The gospel is mostly about us getting our faith correct in him and part of that is not judging but loving and learning
 
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There wasn't a spiritual death with original sin, there was a "dead to Me" type of separation.

If the spirit is driving the soul/body, then satan corrupted the soul/body. satan get's in our heads via the corrupted soul/body. satan is a spirit, but his spirit isn't in us unless we invite him in by acting carnally minded (which is death) ..and that causes the Holy Spirit to leave if it was dwelling there.
 

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There wasn't a spiritual death with original sin, there was a "dead to Me" type of separation.

If the spirit is driving the soul/body, then satan corrupted the soul/body. satan get's in our heads via the corrupted soul/body. satan is a spirit, but his spirit isn't in us unless we invite him in by acting carnally minded (which is death) ..and that causes the Holy Spirit to leave if it was dwelling there.
right it was a condemnation on the spirit becausenitjosnone with the flesh which was corrupted

to be condemned means you are under a sentence of death , facing a death sentance.

it’s not that the spirit died , it was corrupted and sentenced to
Mortality it’s why humans die. Because we are sinners through the flesh and this brings the condemnation of the law it’s sentance of death for sin . This condemns the whole soul body and spirit because they need each other they are one spirit and body one soul .

one part is dying and the other pet is going to die if we don’t find the gospel
 
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right it was a condemnation on the spirit becausenitjosnone with the flesh which was corrupted

to be condemned means you are under a sentence of death , facing a death sentance.

it’s not that the spirit died , it was corrupted and sentenced to
Mortality it’s why humans die. Because we are sinners through the flesh and this brings the condemnation of the law it’s sentance of death for sin . This condemns the whole soul body and spirit because they need each other they are one spirit and body one soul .

one part is dying and the other pet is going to die if we don’t find the gospel
I think there was a "dead to Me" ..but God let Adam and Eve continue physically living though a blood sacrifice.

The corrupted flesh has satan's perception in it.

Romans 8:16
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

I think this is saying humans have their own spirit. I was confusing the human spirit to be God's.
 

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I think there was a "dead to Me" ..but God let Adam and Eve continue physically living though a blood sacrifice.

The corrupted flesh has satan's perception in it.

Romans 8:16
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

I think this is saying humans have their own spirit. I was confusing the human spirit to be God's.
Mans spirit came from God brother all
Spirit comes from him .

“And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground,

and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;

and man became a living soul.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:7‬ ‭

when the body dies it happens in the opposite you see those same two parts seperate and return to before creation the dust returns to the dust as it was and the spirit returns to God who gave it

“Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:

and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.”
‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭12:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Mans spirit originally came out of God when he breathed it into them to give life to their body.


All spirit is of God

“Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

In that all things were created by him so anything with a living spirit came out of him who is a living spirit

our spirit was corrupted through deception , we receive the Holy Spirit of Jesus to come to be with us and heal our hearts and minds and teach us in order to redeem our God given living spirit from corruption . So our soul doesn’t perish with the flesh
“And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man,

for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the only way to save a spirit in a corrupt body is to put the body to death but seperate the spirit from that dead body and give the spirit a new non corrupt body so their soul has been renewed , and thier body has been renewed.


We have to first get our spirit saved through the gospel and then we can have the assured promise of an new body to come for eternity

“So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:42-44, 47-49‬ ‭

what we are now isn’t what we’re going to be or what we began as

our spirit is the only thing that can be saved from this world everything physical is going to be destroyed even our body . But the spirit which came out of God endures and either ends up eternally with the lord or with Satan who became thier lord

the body of flesh does and decays afterlife has nothing to do with the flesh it begins only once the spirit departs the corrupt body. Our time in the flesh is like a trial and we will be judged afterwards when we leave the body

do you see above where it says the dust returns to dust as it was and the spirit returns to God who gave it ? There’s a purpose for that happening at death after we part the body

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men;
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we are going to have to answer for the things we did while in our body in this world good or bad

when the spirit returns to God who gave it its for judgement after they have seperated from the dead body

“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Our body is dead already all that keeps us alive is the spirit when we die our body decays into the earth as it began . And our spirit returns to God who it began from and our spirit will be judged according to how we lived in the flesh

the spirit came from God it is in fact his children’s spirit an extension of his own spirit was given to
Man then Satan corrupted them through flesh , now God has sent the spirit of Christ Jesus into moor hearts to save our souls and offer eternal
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So our soul doesn’t perish with the flesh

the only way to save a spirit in a corrupt body is to put the body to death but seperate the spirit from that dead body and give the spirit a new non corrupt body so their soul has been renewed , and thier body has been renewed.

our spirit is the only thing that can be saved from this world everything physical is going to be destroyed even our body . But the spirit which came out of God endures and either ends up eternally with the lord or with Satan who became thier lord
These two ideas are confusing. Is the new body just assigned to the preexisting soul?

Humans are borrowing God's Spirit? Even people going to hell have their Spirit returned to God? We let it become corrupted via being connected to soul/flesh. We need to worry about our soul because it is our identity? The soul and spirit end up becoming one with God?

The Spirit will report on the soul at Judgement?
 

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These two ideas are confusing. Is the new body just assigned to the preexisting soul?

Humans are borrowing God's Spirit? Even people going to hell have their Spirit returned to God? We let it become corrupted via being connected to soul/flesh. We need to worry about our soul because it is our identity? The soul and spirit end up becoming one with God?

The Spirit will report on the soul at Judgement?
it really isn’t brother im just confusing you .

a living soul is one part spirit , one part body it requires both. So God made a body and breathed the spirit into our body and man became a living soul .

a spirit can’t exist in the material unless it has a body to operate in the material . A living soul is not just a spirit , not just a body it is both in one

God saves us from the condemnation upon all souls body and spirit for sin

“Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭18:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

not just the body that sins shall die but the spirit and the body shall die. If that’s true and it is for sure the body dies it’s death and the spirit it’s death which is everlasting torment because spirit is eternal and flesh is temporal they each die thoer way

to be saved we have to in this life believe the gospel and receive the hilt spirit when we receive the Holy Ghost , it’s meant to redeem our condemned spirit because of the conclusion above all who sin will die both spirit and body the entire soul

the Holy Spirit is this role in our life

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.



If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;



Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.”

‭‭John‬ ‭14:6, 15-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬



His role in us is to save our spirit so we don’t die with our body of condemned flesh but we have to learn from and listen to his word because we believe it so believing the gospel saves people

“Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.



He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”

‭‭John‬ ‭14:23-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s what Paul is talking about the spirit testifying with our spirit we are the children because look at what the spirit testifies to

“And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭23:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.

But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭11:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the gospel terrifies of we believe it of course that we who believe are the children of God that’s what Jesus is teaching us and what the spirit will always teach us and remind us of his words

it’s his presence with us to save us by leading us home our part is to let him save our spirit by following after him and believe the promise of a body to come in the new world to come but our spirit will go to be with him because of the gospel and not wait in the grave

“But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:22-24‬

we have our spirit saved from the death we’re facing in the flesh and the good news is we get to wait in the kingdom with the lord until we receive the glorified body made of the glorified new earth to come

this creation has a body formoir spirit and the new one has a body waiting for the same spirit that can be saved through believing the gospel our bodies now are already lost but the spirit can be saved by the death of Jesus
 
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it really isn’t brother im just confusing you .

a living soul is one part spirit , one part body it requires both. So God made a body and breathed the spirit into our body and man became a living soul .

a spirit can’t exist in the material unless it has a body to operate in the material . A living soul is not just a spirit , not just a body it is both in one

God saves us from the condemnation upon all souls body and spirit for sin

“Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭18:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

not just the body that sins shall die but the spirit and the body shall die. If that’s true and it is for sure the body dies it’s death and the spirit it’s death which is everlasting torment because spirit is eternal and flesh is temporal they each die thoer way

to be saved we have to in this life believe the gospel and receive the hilt spirit when we receive the Holy Ghost , it’s meant to redeem our condemned spirit because of the conclusion above all who sin will die both spirit and body the entire soul

the Holy Spirit is this role in our life

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.



If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;



Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.”

‭‭John‬ ‭14:6, 15-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬



His role in us is to save our spirit so we don’t die with our body of condemned flesh but we have to learn from and listen to his word because we believe it so believing the gospel saves people

“Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.



He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”

‭‭John‬ ‭14:23-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s what Paul is talking about the spirit testifying with our spirit we are the children because look at what the spirit testifies to

“And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭23:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.

But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭11:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the gospel terrifies of we believe it of course that we who believe are the children of God that’s what Jesus is teaching us and what the spirit will always teach us and remind us of his words

it’s his presence with us to save us by leading us home our part is to let him save our spirit by following after him and believe the promise of a body to come in the new world to come but our spirit will go to be with him because of the gospel and not wait in the grave

“But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:22-24‬

we have our spirit saved from the death we’re facing in the flesh and the good news is we get to wait in the kingdom with the lord until we receive the glorified body made of the glorified new earth to come

this creation has a body formoir spirit and the new one has a body waiting for the same spirit that can be saved through believing the gospel our bodies now are already lost but the spirit can be saved by the death of Jesus
Our identity is in both Spirit and Soul? We always talk about souls going to hell, so what happens to their Spirit? Why are you saying it dies when there is this?:

and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.”
‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭12:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

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Our identity is in both Spirit and Soul? We always talk about souls going to hell, so what happens to their Spirit? Why are you saying it dies when there is this?:

and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.”
‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭12:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬
the soul is when both body and spirit are one . That is a living soul . A spirit living in a body .

we have to have our spirit saved in order to save our soul . The new body is yet to come until we first leave this body .

we have only 1 spirit it lives in this body now , and this body eventually dies . When it does we can remain in the dead body until the last judgement and be judged

or we can have our spirit delivered into Gods kingdom in heaven the spiritual place until he returns and restore the earth to new and we get our new body.

do you see what I’m saying

we began as a body and spirit in one our flesh is condemned so we need a new body form our soul to live.

a soul is not something we have it is what we are . A living man is a living soul. We have a spirit , and we dwell in a body. Those two elements make a living soul a spirit living in a body

we have the death we all
Know about when our body dies

our spirit faces this death

“And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the lake of fire isn’t for the flesh body that dies and returns to the dust that part of man is already dead but the spirit which carries the mans life faces the lake of fire the spiritual death of eternal flame

man faces two deaths because we were body and we are spirit then two are one . Separation only happened because of the knowledge of good and evil . Gods word is able to remove our spirit from the body at death and give us a new body both the spirit is redeemed through faith , and the body will be redeemed later for those who’s spirit is saved .

thier soul is going to be restored tonite former glory where they aren’t going to die they will not be flesh and blood but will have a body and thier spirit will dwell on it like a house or a tent like it’s meant to

flesh is not designed by God it’s the result of evils transgression. A good body was first and then Men became flesh though condemnation for their sin. When he sentenced adam to return to the dust as he came from they became flesh dying bodies which will perish

but thier spirit can’t perish in the same way so the second death for the spirit of a person is what we know as hell

The flesh perishes but the spirit endures

the new body is going to be different than these old broken down ones we have but our spirit is being shaped. One through the gospel that’s who will dwell in those eternal bodies those who receive eternal life for thier spirit now have new bodies incorruptible waiting ahead
 
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the soul is when both body and spirit are one . That is a living soul . A spirit living in a body .

we have to have our spirit saved in order to save our soul . The new body is yet to come until we first leave this body .

we have only 1 spirit it lives in this body now , and this body eventually dies . When it does we can remain in the dead body until the last judgement and be judged

or we can have our spirit delivered into Gods kingdom in heaven the spiritual place until he returns and restore the earth to new and we get our new body.

do you see what I’m saying

we began as a body and spirit in one our flesh is condemned so we need a new body form our soul to live.

a soul is not something we have it is what we are . A living man is a living soul. We have a spirit , and we dwell in a body. Those two elements make a living soul a spirit living in a body

we have the death we all
Know about when our body dies

our spirit faces this death

“And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the lake of fire isn’t for the flesh body that dies and returns to the dust that part of man is already dead but the spirit which carries the mans life faces the lake of fire the spiritual death of eternal flame

man faces two deaths because we were body and we are spirit then two are one . Separation only happened because of the knowledge of good and evil . Gods word is able to remove our spirit from the body at death and give us a new body both the spirit is redeemed through faith , and the body will be redeemed later for those who’s spirit is saved .

thier soul is going to be restored tonite former glory where they aren’t going to die they will not be flesh and blood but will have a body and thier spirit will dwell on it like a house or a tent like it’s meant to

flesh is not designed by God it’s the result of evils transgression. A good body was first and then Men became flesh though condemnation for their sin. When he sentenced adam to return to the dust as he came from they became flesh dying bodies which will perish

but thier spirit can’t perish in the same way so the second death for the spirit of a person is what we know as hell

The flesh perishes but the spirit endures

the new body is going to be different than these old broken down ones we have but our spirit is being shaped. One through the gospel that’s who will dwell in those eternal bodies those who receive eternal life for thier spirit now have new bodies incorruptible waiting ahead
Why can't the human spirit and soul both go to hell? Why can't the soul turn unphysical again?

At death, does your Spirit flash your life in front of your Soul? Does the Spirit hold the history of your life? Does the soul make the decisions between God's Word or Satan's lie? Scientists have no idea how the brain actually works. We might be sitting on proof of a Soul and Spirit.

I'm being told this was part of a poem. So it throws a wrench in ..even though, why are poems in the Bible unless we should get something out of them?

and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.”
‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭12:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

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Yeah bro some people think it’s like a poem , but whatever your being told that’s only one thing that people think about it . Like everything biblical there’s always the scholarly that disagree about everything it’s confusing and sad but we have to eventually line up with the Bible itself . My belief is it’s a very early book like all the others and there’s nothing in it to speak as if it’s a poem .

but that would be something if someone showed me why it’s a poem and didn’t just say “ I’m telling you it is “ bit to read the book there’s no suggestion in it in my understanding what do you personally think ? Have you read the book

seems a historical record of jobs life at a time in the early generations when the sons of God were known why is it a poem or what suggests it’s anything other than a book like any other ?

“There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil. And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters.

And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually. Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them. And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.”
‭‭Job‬ ‭1:1-2, 5-7‬ ‭

know what I mean ? To Me it sounds like a book from this time

“And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭4:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m not sure why people say that but could be I just don’t see any reason why it always comes down to just they say it is , but to read it ones self shows a different understanding of a time in early history when Gkd dealt much more closely with mankind and Satan was still presenting himself before God for the reason of accusation

the rest of the Bible sort of bears out job to be an account like all others

Job was real man like Daniel and Noah

“Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord God.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭14:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he’s definitely not allegorical so why is his story ? It doesn’t say it is it reads as an actual account of job this ultra righteous mans life I have heard the same thing though it’s just a poem and allegory but job is always considered a man who lived right before God in other scripture and never once does it suggest he isn’t real or it did t happen


“There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.”
‭‭Job‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭

Uz also was an early land when the nations were being divided after Noah’s theee sons

“And the children of Aram; Uz, and Hul, and Gether, and Mash.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭10:23‬ ‭


Which would put jobs life a generation later or More in the early lands of the Hebrews . Being descended of Abram.

I’m not sure but to me it seems like an event much of job is about his conversation with his friends regarding the terrible events in his life and his very nearly breaking state of mind and spirit he almost breaks many times and they almost convince him of the wrong thkngs but then God sets him straight

I’m not sure but what is your opinion why is it a poem ?