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FreeGrace2 said:
My only "problem" is that I know the truth about election, unlike yourself.
Did you even read the verses?
And, do you have any verses that link election to salvation?
Is this your defense for your views? I don't hate calvinism. I simply have proved that election is to service, not salvation. But it seems you didn't bother reading any of the verses that prove that. Well, that's your loss.
Are you insinuating that I am spiritually dead? You'd better not.
I absolutely agree that God is sovereign. And you don't need to add "absolutely". No one is "partially" or "mostly" or sometimes" sovereign. It's an All or Nothing kind of thing.
Kinda like the words "sovereign grace". Of course God's grace is sovereign, like all other aspects of God's character. I guess calvinists like to add words.
By "discriminately" I hope you mean that God only saves those who believe. Because the idea from TULIP that God "elects for salvation unconditionally" is totally unbiblical. Does does NOT save anyone unconditionally.
But of course, you'd want proof of that, right? So, here it is for you.
1 Cor 1:21 - For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.
"God was please"..."to save those who believe". That's what calvinists seem to not know.
Salvation is based on faith in Christ. Not election.
So why do you continue to think so? You have provided zero support from Scripture for your (calvin's) views.
My only "problem" is that I know the truth about election, unlike yourself.
Did you even read the verses?
And, do you have any verses that link election to salvation?
Is this your defense for your views? I don't hate calvinism. I simply have proved that election is to service, not salvation. But it seems you didn't bother reading any of the verses that prove that. Well, that's your loss.
Are you insinuating that I am spiritually dead? You'd better not.
I absolutely agree that God is sovereign. And you don't need to add "absolutely". No one is "partially" or "mostly" or sometimes" sovereign. It's an All or Nothing kind of thing.
Kinda like the words "sovereign grace". Of course God's grace is sovereign, like all other aspects of God's character. I guess calvinists like to add words.
By "discriminately" I hope you mean that God only saves those who believe. Because the idea from TULIP that God "elects for salvation unconditionally" is totally unbiblical. Does does NOT save anyone unconditionally.
But of course, you'd want proof of that, right? So, here it is for you.
1 Cor 1:21 - For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.
"God was please"..."to save those who believe". That's what calvinists seem to not know.
Salvation is based on faith in Christ. Not election.
So why do you continue to think so? You have provided zero support from Scripture for your (calvin's) views.
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The natural man in carnality/flesh is enmity against God Rom 8:7
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
It the carnal natural man cannot be subject to God, obey God, so forget about having Faith, because Faith is a Spiritual obedience !
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
It the carnal natural man cannot be subject to God, obey God, so forget about having Faith, because Faith is a Spiritual obedience !
None of TULIP is biblical.
T - total depravity. If calvinism had stopped with "man cannot save himself", that is true. However, calvinism goes TOO FAR by also claiming that man can't believe until regenerated, or some such notion. That God causes man (only certain ones) to believe. In fact, God is pleased to save those who believe. 1 Cor 1:21, previously shared with you.
U - unconditional election. Calvinism errs by misunderstanding Scripture (like yourself) and thinking election is to salvation. It is to service. If it was to salvation, then election CANNOT be unconditional. Salvation is always conditioned on faith. Eph 2;8,9
L - limited atonement. Wrong. Christ died for everyone. Many verses say exactly that. 2 Cor 5:14,15, 1 Peter 3:18, 1 John 2:2, 1 Tim 4:10, etc.
I - irresistible grace. Acts 7:51 says that men resist the Holy Spirit.
P - now this is tricky. If the "P" refers to preservation" then YES, salvation is eternally secure. But if the "P" refers to perseverance of the saints, nope. Believers are commanded to "stay true" to the faith, (Acts 11:23, 14:22) or "continue in the faith" (Col 1:23).
such commands are not only needless but silly IF IF IF all believers will persevere in the faith.
In fact, Jesus clearly noted that some believers (second soil) will "believe for a while and in time of testing, will fall away".
T - total depravity. If calvinism had stopped with "man cannot save himself", that is true. However, calvinism goes TOO FAR by also claiming that man can't believe until regenerated, or some such notion. That God causes man (only certain ones) to believe. In fact, God is pleased to save those who believe. 1 Cor 1:21, previously shared with you.
U - unconditional election. Calvinism errs by misunderstanding Scripture (like yourself) and thinking election is to salvation. It is to service. If it was to salvation, then election CANNOT be unconditional. Salvation is always conditioned on faith. Eph 2;8,9
L - limited atonement. Wrong. Christ died for everyone. Many verses say exactly that. 2 Cor 5:14,15, 1 Peter 3:18, 1 John 2:2, 1 Tim 4:10, etc.
I - irresistible grace. Acts 7:51 says that men resist the Holy Spirit.
P - now this is tricky. If the "P" refers to preservation" then YES, salvation is eternally secure. But if the "P" refers to perseverance of the saints, nope. Believers are commanded to "stay true" to the faith, (Acts 11:23, 14:22) or "continue in the faith" (Col 1:23).
such commands are not only needless but silly IF IF IF all believers will persevere in the faith.
In fact, Jesus clearly noted that some believers (second soil) will "believe for a while and in time of testing, will fall away".
Good news.
Not doctrine.
The good news is Jesus.
Jesus is good news.
It appears you are looking for the doctrinal understanding of "gospel".
Gospel means good news.
If I am "word" over "person/ Jesus" centered, my. Witnessing is sterile and religious.
It is "Spirit first, word following" that will bring the lost into the family.
They already know all about religious concepts and the dryness of those that wield that single edged sword.
Iow i am over simplifying to bring the life (Jesus) into the tiredness of religion.
Not doctrine.
The good news is Jesus.
Jesus is good news.
It appears you are looking for the doctrinal understanding of "gospel".
Gospel means good news.
If I am "word" over "person/ Jesus" centered, my. Witnessing is sterile and religious.
It is "Spirit first, word following" that will bring the lost into the family.
They already know all about religious concepts and the dryness of those that wield that single edged sword.
Iow i am over simplifying to bring the life (Jesus) into the tiredness of religion.
