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Pilgrimshope

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GOOD, thank you, now just one little question, was that all of God in that Flesh and blood? yes or no?

Thanks in advance.

PICJAG, 101G.
Yes of course it was it was all
Of God in bodily form

Father and son

“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:6-10‬ ‭

Holy spirit all In Christ Jesus

“Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭3:21-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

brother the gospel is Made most important in scripture for the reason that Jesus life on earth was the only time in history God himself lived among us as a Man.

It was at this appointed time he foretold that he would be born of a virgin , be called “immanuel God with us “ would come , teach his true judgements to the world and do everything we learn of in the four gospels and then sent out to the world for salvation by faith

“It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:45-47‬ ‭KJV‬‬


He’s saying people who have heard Old Testament scripture are going to go directly to him for learning about God the Christ was always going to be the one for saving people Jesus Christ is fully God he was as he walked on earth look at all he did to prove what he was saying

who is it that commands the oceans and seas ? Jesus showed us in the gospel . Whom is not who commands a wicked spirit to go here or there and it must obey ? Jesus showed us in the gospel. What are the words of the holy spirit ? The holy spirit preached the gospel through Christ after he was anointed and John was imprisoned

we begin to focus on Christ at the beginning of his ministry tha the the point when he is father , son and holt spirit in one . Until his baptism he lived as a man under law and never sinned at the appointed time when John began preparing the way , Jesus received the Holy Spirit and began to do
Miraculous thkngs by his words like God does

Of course he is completely God , and at the same time completely man in that he made his own self in the form of a man , subject like we are. Someone showed you he is the fullness of the godhead in bodily form father son holt ghost in one is the true God Jesus Christ

The doctrine of the gospel tells us God came from heaven and became flesh

lived a pretty short life as a Man who lived without sin even being subjected to temptation through flesh and blood

made himself subject to God as a son is to a father , and then was crucified and put to shame for a sinners hope to be saved, then returned back to glory in heaven where he came from

God is one but in order to save us he became flesh ( the son ) and he then returned to heaven and sends his spirit to us

“This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:32-33‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Long ago God promised the son of man who would provide salvation for man part of this process would be pouring out his spirit on all flesh. In the New Testament we see these things being fulfilled in the gospel and then preached to the world

Jesus is the only place where we can find. Father son and holy ghost in one being so explicitly yes to your question he was and is three aspects in one which makes him the truth of God spoken and shown to the world
 

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Let us look again. Hayah is the infinitive in Hebrew of To Be. YHWH is akin to the English part of speech called a gerund. As you know a gerund is the nominative form of an infinitive or of a verb if you will.

Now as the infinitive is used by our Father, He uses it in the transitive (active) form. No Human is able to use it in this manner in truth, only YHWH.

Now who are what is a superfluous point here since it is not a name but Hi attribute, one of dozens. Read in Nehemiah and we find that YHWH will return a pure tongue to all so all may call upon Him by One name in One accord. This name is yet to be known by any flesh.

Moses just wanted to know how to explain to the people Who sent hem to them. Apparently that was good enough for the Children of Israel.
Great, Thanks, but it fall flat on it's face, and here's why. in the same book later, Moses was speak with God, listen, Exodus 6:2 "And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:"
Exodus 6:3 "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them."

so almighty God was not KNOWN to Abraham by "JEHOVAH", correct. but by God Almighty, NOT YHWH, or H1961 הָיָה hayah (haw-yaw) v. correct. well here's the problem, Genesis 22:14 "And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen." well what is the Name, "Jehovah"/YHWH, or H1961 הָיָה hayah (haw-yaw) a VERB, doing in Abraham mouth? and Genesis is before Exodus, when GOD was speaking to Moses. and God don't LIE,
so the name, "Jehovah" is not the TRUE name of God as to "WHO" is vs "WHAT" he.

care to discuss it? think about it for a second, and then we can discuss it.

PICJAG, 101G.
 

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thanks for the reply, if so, then as i have ben asking is the person in John 1:3 is the same one person in Isaiah 44:24 who, "MADE ALL THINGS" Yes or No?

PICJAG, 101G.
I have to tell you that there are far far too many question marks in your posts. I am always leery of such posters. But to answer your question: Yes of course.

Father Son and Holy Spirit all Three are The Creators. I am not sure why you would ask such a question in the first place. So why are you asking such a question?
 

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But to answer your question: Yes of course.
thank you, sorry for the question marks, charge it to my head and not my heart.

but you're correct, it's the same one person. now, if the Word whom many calls the Son, Lord, is the SAME one Person who is LORD, the Father, then that eliminates a person from the three that is said to be in the Godhead. so the doctrine fails of a three person Godhead.
Father Son and Holy Spirit all Three are The Creators. I am not sure why you would ask such a question in the first place. So why are you asking such a question?
to show that the bible cleary say that God is ONE God who is "ONE" person Diversified in a ECHAD of First and last.

I only seek the TRUTH, as the topic states, "The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit resurrected Jesus", which are the titles of ONLY one person, "JESUS". and please understand, I'm not aganist anyone who believe in three person doctrine, or anyone who believe in oneness doctrine.
I'm what God is... "holy", and the doctrine that God, Jesus, taught is that he's an ECHAD of himself in flesh. simply put, he is the OFFSPRING, or the "Diversity" of his "OWN-SELF" in flesh, (per Isaiah 63:5, and isaiah chapter 53).

so thanks for your honesty in your answer, as said, we need to discuss God word and really find the TRUTH in God's Holy Word.

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Great, Thanks, but it fall flat on it's face, and here's why. in the same book later, Moses was speak with God, listen, Exodus 6:2 "And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:"
Exodus 6:3 "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them."

so almighty God was not KNOWN to Abraham by "JEHOVAH", correct. but by God Almighty, NOT YHWH, or H1961 הָיָה hayah (haw-yaw) v. correct. well here's the problem, Genesis 22:14 "And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen." well what is the Name, "Jehovah"/YHWH, or H1961 הָיָה hayah (haw-yaw) a VERB, doing in Abraham mouth? and Genesis is before Exodus, when GOD was speaking to Moses. and God don't LIE,
so the name, "Jehovah" is not the TRUE name of God as to "WHO" is vs "WHAT" he.

care to discuss it? think about it for a second, and then we can discuss it.

PICJAG, 101G.
Perhaps I should have elaborated. If it was good enough for our Father to say those words to Moses, all I can say is, I believe Him. Apparently He knows more than we do, otherwise He would not have left it at that with Moses. Also, as you know, Moses was a bit shy with folks so if he understood what it meant, again, that is good enough for me.

Now I do nto wish to dispute surmises more. All blessings in Yeshua.
 

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If it was good enough for our Father to say those words to Moses, all I can say is, I believe Him
first thanks for the reply, and second, I believe God with all my heart, but we as men sometimes misinterpret what is said.
here me out, ok... if Moses whould have said, "Who are you in Name, then game over, God would have said, "YESHUA". see, this is why it is so important to understand the whole truth. example, if I would ask, "WHAT", is the first woman Name", many might say, "EVE", and they would be in ERROR. and here's why. Eve is "WHO" she is in name, and not "WHAT" she is in name. see, I asked "WHAT" is her name, and the correct answer is, "Adam", because that's "WHAT" she in in name, supportive scripture, Genesis 5:1 "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;"
Genesis 5:2 "Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created." BINGO, see, what she is in Name, is a ADAM, mankind. that's "WHAT" she is. now on the other hand, if I would have asked "WHO" was the first woman in name, then the correct answer would be "EVE", because "EVE" is "WHO" she is in Name. see the difference? now, knowing that, lets go back and see what Moses asked for.

Exodus 3:13 "And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?"
Exodus 3:14 "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."

so clearly Moses asked "WHAT" is your name, and not "WHO", are you in Name. this is how I knew that the name "YHWH"/H1961 הָיָה hayah (haw-yaw) was a verb, because verbs describe ACTION, "WHAT" you are and NOT "WHO" you are in Name, as NOUNS do. BINGO.

see by asking, "WHAT" is your name, God gave Moses no more or less that what he asked for. I AM, this is what I AM, CREATOR, MAKER of ALL THINGS, REDEEMER, SAVIOUR, COMFORTER, MEDIATOR, DELIEVER, KING, GOVERNOR..... ect... you get the picture. these things are "WHAT" God is, and not "WHO" he is in PERSONAL NAME. so the titles "Father", "Son", are simply "WHAT" he is and not "WHO" he is in NAME.

hope this helped.

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This type of reasoning is a bit oblique for children to understand.

Yeshua may be said Yeshi Yahu or My Redeemer Yah.

Yeshhi means my reedeemer, and it is the name of King David's Father. Melech David may be translated King Beloved or Yeshua. When I read in English I attmpt to keep in mind the Hebrew I have learned .. not well but enough to read the Scriptures.

On incomplete translations I marvel and could go on for days but for now, allow me to share a meditation from earlier today. It is appropriate, I believe, for all who emulate Yeshua.

Earlier today I was gifted to understand something about vision. I suppose it is because of the gift of very low vison. It occurred dto me that when we look at all others we should attmpt to see them from the One and only Cross, as did Yeshua. It is very exsciting to know this for it helps us to judge for ourselves what is right while never judging to condemnation. “Forgive them, for they know not what they do.”
 

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This type of reasoning is a bit oblique for children to understand.

Yeshua may be said Yeshi Yahu or My Redeemer Yah.

Yeshhi means my reedeemer, and it is the name of King David's Father. Melech David may be translated King Beloved or Yeshua. When I read in English I attmpt to keep in mind the Hebrew I have learned .. not well but enough to read the Scriptures.

On incomplete translations I marvel and could go on for days but for now, allow me to share a meditation from earlier today. It is appropriate, I believe, for all who emulate Yeshua.

Earlier today I was gifted to understand something about vision. I suppose it is because of the gift of very low vison. It occurred dto me that when we look at all others we should attmpt to see them from the One and only Cross, as did Yeshua. It is very exsciting to know this for it helps us to judge for ourselves what is right while never judging to condemnation. “Forgive them, for they know not what they do.”
thanks for the reply,
so we can take this as you really have no solid rebuttal?

PICJAG, 101G.
 
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thanks for the reply,
so we can take this as you really have no solid rebuttal?

PICJAG, 101G.
I guess I am unsure what your position is.

Do you agree that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are God? Do you agree that "the Word became flesh and dwelt among us" and that Jesus was God on Earth and that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (God) resurrected Jesus?

Yes or no
 
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Theres the three together in one verse here and David speaking by the Holy Ghost concerning Christ

Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD (JEHOVAH) said to my Lord (Adonai), Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool. (Psalm 110:1)

Mat 22:45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

Also, when

John 10:20 Jesus said, I and my Father are one.

He also prayed for that same oneness for them

John 17:22 ..."they may be one, even as we are one"

Which was

John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one

As Jesus said, earlier

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
You are affirming trinity from scripture. Yes.
 

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I guess I am unsure what your position is.

Do you agree that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are God? Do you agree that "the Word became flesh and dwelt among us" and that Jesus was God on Earth and that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (God) resurrected Jesus?

Yes or no
#1. Do you agree that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are God? ... NO, but the Titles, Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost belong to Jesus only, who is God.

#2. Do you agree that "the Word became flesh and dwelt among us". NO, I believe that the Word was "MADE" flesh, and not became flesh... flesh. bif difference... (smile). he did dwell amoung us.

#3. that Jesus was God on Earth and that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (God) resurrected Jesus? YES, God on Earth, and NO, Jesus raises up his body, (who is the title holder of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (God) :D

now as what is my position, is this, "I'm a Diversified Oneness". let me say it again, "I'm a Diversified Oneness. not as the UPC teaches oneness, Oh no, but the way God and his apsotles, and disciple taught.

so to make my position clear, "Jesus", God, (the Spirit), is the ECHAD of himself in flesh, as the "First, the Ordinal First, and the Last, the Ordinal Last. and Jesus as the Holy Spirit is the Amalgamation of the Spirit, Father, LORD, the First, GLORIFIED in Flesh, the Son, the Lord, the Last.

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#1. Do you agree that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are God? ... NO, but the Titles, Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost belong to Jesus only, who is God.
It sounds like you deny the nature of the Godhead as revealed by scripture then.

John 10:30
30I and my Father are one.

1 Corinthians 8:6
6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

2 Corinthians 3:17-18
17Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

#2. Do you agree that "the Word became flesh and dwelt among us". NO, I believe that the Word was "MADE" flesh, and not became flesh... flesh. bif difference... (smile). he did dwell amoung us.
Became is a sufficient rendering of the original Greek.

Made - G1096

Part of Speech:
Verb
Definition:
1. to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being
2. to become, i.e. to come to pass, happen
a. of events
3. to arise, appear in history, come upon the stage
a. of men appearing in public
4. to be made, finished
a. of miracles, to be performed, wrought
5. to become, be made

#3. that Jesus was God on Earth and that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (God) resurrected Jesus? YES, God on Earth, and NO, Jesus raises up his body, (who is the title holder of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (God)
Jesus acted in raising Himself from the dead along with the Father and Holy Spirit as I pointed out in comment #1 in this thread:

John 10:18
18No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

now as what is my position, is this, "I'm a Diversified Oneness". let me say it again, "I'm a Diversified Oneness. not as the UPC teaches oneness, Oh no, but the way God and his apsotles, and disciple taught.
That's decidedly not what God and the apostles taught as evidenced by the numerous Bible verses I just showed you. You have it wrong, way wrong.

Do you belong to the UPC?

so to make my position clear, "Jesus", God, (the Spirit), is the ECHAD of himself in flesh, as the "First, the Ordinal First, and the Last, the Ordinal Last. and Jesus as the Holy Spirit is the Amalgamation of the Spirit, Father, LORD, the First, GLORIFIED in Flesh, the Son, the Lord, the Last.
No.

The Bible says the Father, Word (Son), and Holy Spirit are one.

1 John 5:7
7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
 

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It sounds like you deny the nature of the Godhead as revealed by scripture then.

John 10:30
30I and my Father are one.

1 Corinthians 8:6
6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

2 Corinthians 3:17-18
17Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
all of this is JESUS, one GOD, one Person, Diversified as the ECHAD of the First and the Last.

Became is a sufficient rendering of the original Greek.
GOD is, not became a change in nature. he "TOOK PART" in humanity, and was not a "PARTAKER" of it. please understand the difference between "TOOK PART, and "PARTAKE".
Jesus acted in raising Himself from the dead along with the Father and Holy Spirit as I pointed out in comment #1 in this thread:

John 10:18
18No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
ERROR, scripture, John 2:19 "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
John 2:20 "Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?"
John 2:21 "But he spake of the temple of his body."

did you see it?, John 2:19 "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
now, how many is "I" ... thank you.
That's decidedly not what God and the apostles taught as evidenced by the numerous Biblical evidence I just showed you. You have it wrong, way wrong.

Do you belong to the UPC?
did you not read, "I'm not of the UPC
let me say it again, "I'm a Diversified Oneness. not as the UPC teaches oneness, Oh no, but the way God and his apsotles, and disciple taught.
No.

The Bible says the Father, Word (Son), and Holy Spirit are one.

1 John 5:7
7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
What do you think a ECHAD is?....... (smile).

PICJAG, 101G.
 

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John 2:19
19Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
That is just speaking of what he did after he came back to life, he rose up and left the tomb. It was his father that did the resurrecting from the dead back to life:


No scripture after the resurrection happened says Jesus resurrected himself. Every single scripture AFTER the event happened credits the Father of Jesus as having resurrected Jesus. Jesus had the power and authority to have done it but he didn't need to nor did he choose to resurrect himself. He allowed his Father to accomplish that.




Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Act 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

Act 3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Act 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

Act_5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

Act 13:29 And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre.
Act 13:30 But God raised him from the dead:


Act 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
Act 13:34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
Act 13:35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Act 13:36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:
Act 13:37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.


Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Act 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Rom 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

1co 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
1Co 15:13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
1Co 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
1Co 15:15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.

2Co 4:14 Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.

Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
Eph 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
Eph 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
Eph 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,


Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.


1 Thessalonians 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

Heb 11:19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God

Galatians 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead)

Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him who made Jesus come again from the dead is in you, he who made Christ Jesus come again from the dead will in the same way, through his Spirit which is in you, give life to your bodies which now are under the power of death.


Mat 17:22 And while they abode in Galilee, Jesus said unto them, The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men:
Mat 17:23 And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.


And we know from all the other verses that he was raised again and it was by the Father.
 
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That is just speaking of what he did after he came back to life, he rose up and left the tomb. It was his father that did the resurrecting from the dead back to life:


No scripture after the resurrection happened says Jesus resurrected himself. Every single scripture AFTER the event happened credits the Father of Jesus as having resurrected Jesus. Jesus had the power and authority to have done it but he didn't need to nor did he choose to resurrect himself. He allowed his Father to accomplish that.




Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Act 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

Act 3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Act 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

Act_5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

Act 13:29 And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre.
Act 13:30 But God raised him from the dead:


Act 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
Act 13:34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
Act 13:35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Act 13:36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:
Act 13:37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.


Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Act 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Rom 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

1co 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
1Co 15:13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
1Co 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
1Co 15:15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.

2Co 4:14 Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.

Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
Eph 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
Eph 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
Eph 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,


Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.


1 Thessalonians 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

Heb 11:19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God

Galatians 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead)

Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him who made Jesus come again from the dead is in you, he who made Christ Jesus come again from the dead will in the same way, through his Spirit which is in you, give life to your bodies which now are under the power of death.


Mat 17:22 And while they abode in Galilee, Jesus said unto them, The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men:
Mat 17:23 And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.


And we know from all the other verses that he was raised again and it was by the Father.
All Persons of the Trinity, including the Son, resurrected Jesus.

The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Spirit is God.

Galatians 1:1
1Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead

John 2:19
19Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

Romans 8:11
11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
 

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All Persons of the Trinity, including the Son, resurrected Jesus.
Nope. Only God the Father and the HS are credited as having resurrected Jesus. While Jesus could have, he ended up not taking part. What he did was stand up and leave the tomb after he was resurrected.

Not one verse AFTER the resurrection happened says Jesus rose himself from the dead. Not one.
 
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Nope. Only God the Father and the HS are credited as having resurrected Jesus. While Jesus could have, he ended up not taking part. What he did was stand up and leave the tomb after he was resurrected.

Not one verse AFTER the resurrection happened says Jesus rose himself from the dead. Not one.
Yes Jesus did take part in His own resurrection and I guarantee it. That it isn't stated after the resurrection is a non-point. The real point is that Jesus said He will raise it (His body) up again. Do you agree with the below scripture?

John 2:19
19Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
 
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Jesus also said, whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak
 

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Yes Jesus did take part in His own resurrection and I guarantee it. That it isn't stated after the resurrection is a non-point. The real point is that Jesus said He will raise it (His body) up again. Do you agree with the below scripture?

John 2:19
19Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
That was said BEFORE he died or resurrected. Every scripture that speaks about who did the actual resurrecting credits the Father and the HS. Jesus is never said to have resurrected himself. In the above he is either speaking about standing up after being resurrected or he might even be saying something his Father said to him.

Deut 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

Deu 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

Deut 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

Joh 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
Joh 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

Joh_12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Joh_12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.


Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.



This is concerning Jesus thus we cannot claim everything Jesus said was him speaking of himself. Sometimes the Father spoke through Jesus.



Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

Go back to what Jesus said:

"I will raise it up"


"my words which he (Christ) shall speak"
"my (the Father's) words in his (Christ's) mouth"
"the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak"
"whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak"
"as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things"


We cannot say Jesus definitely said he would raise himself from the dead. We can say the Father gave Jesus things to say, and he said them and the writers of scripture say over and over that God the Father raised Jesus from the dead.
 
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Heres just a few of them

He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.

Who said in Moses,

that I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

Jesus confirms, saying, "I have not spoken of myself"

but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

He said, I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me

On the one hand he says,

He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings

And on the otherhand he also says

and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

As he said,

My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things