ARE WE BEING STEWARDS OF THE MYSTERIES OF GOD ?

[Live4Him]

Would you agree that 'Christ in you ' is a revelation Paul gives us as a ' mystery ' previously hid before , but now revealed. Christ IN you ?
27To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

That depends upon how one believes Christ is in us.

For example, in relation to the Old Testament prophets, we read:

I Peter chapter 1

[8] Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
[9] Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
[10] Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
[11] Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
[12] Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

According to Peter, the Old Testament prophets had the Spirit of Christ in them.

Would this be the same thing as "Christ in you, the hope of glory"?

In either case, here, we see once again that they "testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow" because it was "revealed" to them. In other words, even though these things weren't fulfilled in their lifetimes, they foresaw and understood them, so they weren't a "mystery" in the sense that nobody knew them.

 

[tourist]

Yeah but specifically its talking about being Stewards of these now revealed truth s given in the scriptures..Many Christians are unaware and many denominations fail to teach them ..If they even understand them is a fair question . How many sermons at your church have you heard on these vital ' mysteries ' ? I never heard about them spoken at many churches ,I've attended.

When I attended Catholic church services years ago I asked a priest about Holy Communion. I said that if Jesus lives in your heart what good does taking communion do. I asked what happens, you get extra Jesus. The only thing that the priest said was "It's a mystery". I have attended my different church services and not one have I heard a sermon on God's mysteries. It remains a mystery.

 

[throughfaith]

That depends upon how one believes Christ is in us.

For example, in relation to the Old Testament prophets, we read:

I Peter chapter 1

[8] Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
[9] Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
[10] Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
[11] Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
[12] Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

According to Peter, the Old Testament prophets had the Spirit of Christ in them.

Would this be the same thing as "Christ in you, the hope of glory"?

In either case, here, we see once again that they "testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow" because it was "revealed" to them. In other words, even though these things weren't fulfilled in their lifetimes, they foresaw and understood them, so they weren't a "mystery" in the sense that nobody knew them.

Ok with this verse and others :
Eph 3
4Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Should It have really said:
4Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5Which in other ages was ALSO made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed AGAIN unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: ? Kinda like redundant, arbitrary verses ?

 

[throughfaith]

When I attended Catholic church services years ago I asked a priest about Holy Communion. I said that if Jesus lives in your heart what good does taking communion do. I asked what happens, you get extra Jesus. The only thing that the priest said was "It's a mystery". I have attended my different church services and not one have I heard a sermon on God's mysteries. It remains a mystery.

This verse gets a similar treatment:
1 cor 14
2For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
Some think this is talking about ' mysteries ' in the sense of deep spiritual things ect . When it actually is saying no one understands what on earth your saying ' mysteries'

 

[throughfaith]

That depends upon how one believes Christ is in us.

For example, in relation to the Old Testament prophets, we read:

I Peter chapter 1

[8] Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
[9] Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
[10] Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
[11] Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
[12] Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

According to Peter, the Old Testament prophets had the Spirit of Christ in them.

Would this be the same thing as "Christ in you, the hope of glory"?

In either case, here, we see once again that they "testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow" because it was "revealed" to them. In other words, even though these things weren't fulfilled in their lifetimes, they foresaw and understood them, so they weren't a "mystery" in the sense that nobody knew them.

the Old Testament prophets prophesied about New Testament salvation and grace, but that they did not understand it. That’s why they “inquired and searched diligently.” Verse 11 says, “Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ...testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.” Since the Church Age itself was not revealed to them, the Old Testament prophets often saw the First and Second Advents right together. Notice that they testified of “the sufferings of Christ” (that’s the First Advent) “and the glory that should follow” (that’s the Second Advent). But they did not see any intervening gap between them.

Your reading Paul back into the OT .Revelation that's revealed later .

 

[throughfaith]

You tell me.

Consider the following:

Luke chapter 24

[13] And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.
[14] And they talked together of all these things which had happened.
[15] And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.
[16] But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.
[17] And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?
[18] And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass therein these days?
[19] And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
[20] And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
[21] But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
[22] Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre;
[23] And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive.
[24] And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and found it even so as the women had said: but him they saw not.
[25] Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
[26] Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
[27] And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Why would Jesus rebuke two men while telling them that they were "fools and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken" in relation to his sufferings and glorification if they hadn't already foretold of the same?

Beyond just the prophets themselves, Jesus expounded unto these two men what Moses had also written concerning himself and what had been written IN ALL THE SCRIPTURES concerning himself.

As I said, certain individuals were plainly aware of these "mysteries" before either Jesus or Paul addressed them in the New Testament.

Having read many of your posts here, I believe that you're totally misreading the following bold-faced and underlined portion of scripture and therefore drawing some errant conclusions from the same:

Ephesians chapter 3

[1] For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
[2] If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to youward:
[3] How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
[4] Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
[5] Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
[6] That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
[7] Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

In other words, whereas Paul said that these "mysteries" in other ages were not made known unto the sons of men AS it is now revealed, you seem to be reading it as if it says that these "mysteries" in other ages were not made known unto the sons of men BUT it is now revealed.

There's a world of difference between the two.

Paul and others were giving a fuller revelation in scale of things which were previously known by others.

They were not giving a NEW revelation of things which were previously unknown by anyone.

That depends upon how one believes Christ is in us.

For example, in relation to the Old Testament prophets, we read:

I Peter chapter 1

[8] Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
[9] Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
[10] Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
[11] Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
[12] Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

According to Peter, the Old Testament prophets had the Spirit of Christ in them.

Would this be the same thing as "Christ in you, the hope of glory"?

In either case, here, we see once again that they "testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow" because it was "revealed" to them. In other words, even though these things weren't fulfilled in their lifetimes, they foresaw and understood them, so they weren't a "mystery" in the sense that nobody knew them.

According to any verse in the Ot do we have one that says they were sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption? Especially in light of this verse :
John 7

37¶In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
38He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

" not yet given ; BECAUSE THAT JESUS WAS NOT YET GLORIFIED. "

 

[Live4Him]

Ok with this verse and others :
Eph 3
4Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Should It have really said:
4Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5Which in other ages was ALSO made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed AGAIN unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: ? Kinda like redundant, arbitrary verses ?

What was "the mystery" that Paul was talking about in context?

Was it not "that the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise IN CHRIST by the gospel?

Of course, it was.

How did Paul, in his epistles, explain this specific "mystery"?

Didn't he explain it by showing how Christ was the seed, singular, of Abraham, and that all who are IN CHRIST are similarly Abraham's seed?

Didn't he also explain it by showing how Abraham's name means "a father of MANY NATIONS", which included the Gentiles?

What scriptures did Paul use to explain things such as these?

Of course, he used the Old Testament scriptures, so why can't you see that those who penned the same understood these "mysteries" themselves?

Again, they were not "mysteries" in the sense that nobody ever knew them before.

Abraham rejoiced to see Jesus' day, and he saw it, and was glad.

Surely, you can see this, can't you?

 

[Live4Him]

the Old Testament prophets prophesied about New Testament salvation and grace, but that they did not understand it. That’s why they “inquired and searched diligently.” Verse 11 says, “Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ...testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.” Since the Church Age itself was not revealed to them, the Old Testament prophets often saw the First and Second Advents right together. Notice that they testified of “the sufferings of Christ” (that’s the First Advent) “and the glory that should follow” (that’s the Second Advent). But they did not see any intervening gap between them.

Your reading Paul back into the OT .Revelation that's revealed later .

I'm sorry, but what you alleged simply isn't true.

For example, how in the world did David allegedly "see the first and second advents right together"?

Contrary to your claim, here is what Peter, under Divine inspiration, said about David:

Acts chapter 2

[22] Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
[23] Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
[24] Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
[25] For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
[26] Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
[27] Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
[28] Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
[29] Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
[30] Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
[31] He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
[32] This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
[33] Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
[34] For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
[35] Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
[36] Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

According to the Holy Ghost baptized Peter, David, THE PROPHET, spoke of Christ's resurrection and ascension into the heavens, so how in the world can you even suggest that he somehow "saw the first and second advents right together"?

It's nonsense, and you should be able to clearly recognize the same.

Contrary to your claim, David not only foresaw Christ's resurrection from the dead and ascension back to heaven, but I could just as easily show you how he foresaw Christ's crucifixion as well (like in Psalm 22, for example).

As Peter said, David knew that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne. In other words, unlike some Jews of Jesus' day, David understood that Christ's path to the throne required a crucifixion, burial, resurrection, ascension back to heaven, and a glorification at God's right hand (Psalm 8, Psalm 110, etc.), so your allegation is patently false.

 

[throughfaith]

I'm sorry, but what you alleged simply isn't true.

For example, how in the world did David allegedly "see the first and second advents right together"?

Contrary to your claim, here is what Peter, under Divine inspiration, said about David:

Acts chapter 2

[22] Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
[23] Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
[24] Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
[25] For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
[26] Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
[27] Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
[28] Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
[29] Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
[30] Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
[31] He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
[32] This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
[33] Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
[34] For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
[35] Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
[36] Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

According to the Holy Ghost baptized Peter, David, THE PROPHET, spoke of Christ's resurrection and ascension into the heavens, so how in the world can you even suggest that he somehow "saw the first and second advents right together"?

It's nonsense, and you should be able to clearly recognize the same.

Contrary to your claim, David not only foresaw Christ's resurrection from the dead and ascension back to heaven, but I could just as easily show you how he foresaw Christ's crucifixion as well (like in Psalm 22, for example).

As Peter said, David knew that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne. In other words, unlike some Jews of Jesus' day, David understood that Christ's path to the throne required a crucifixion, burial, resurrection, ascension back to heaven, and a glorification at God's right hand (Psalm 8, Psalm 110, etc.), so your allegation is patently false.

ok then we really should change it to :

4Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5Which in other ages was always known, i don't know why i just said mystery what i really meant was it was always made known unto the sons of men, it was always revealed and im just taking this time as there was some extra parchment to fill ,that again to say unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

 

[throughfaith]

What was "the mystery" that Paul was talking about in context?

Was it not "that the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise IN CHRIST by the gospel?

Of course, it was.

How did Paul, in his epistles, explain this specific "mystery"?

Didn't he explain it by showing how Christ was the seed, singular, of Abraham, and that all who are IN CHRIST are similarly Abraham's seed?

Didn't he also explain it by showing how Abraham's name means "a father of MANY NATIONS", which included the Gentiles?

What scriptures did Paul use to explain things such as these?

Of course, he used the Old Testament scriptures, so why can't you see that those who penned the same understood these "mysteries" themselves?

Again, they were not "mysteries" in the sense that nobody ever knew them before.

Abraham rejoiced to see Jesus' day, and he saw it, and was glad.

Surely, you can see this, can't you?

ok then we really should change it to :

4Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5Which in other ages was always known, i don't know why i just said mystery what i really meant was it was always made known unto the sons of men, it was always revealed and im just taking this time as there was some extra parchment to fill ,that again to say unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:After all Peter Just knew Cornelius would get converted and all gentiles ,I don't know why people are making all this fuss. Yes everyone!! in the OT understood everything just the same as today. The diciples knew all that would take place ,the prophecies were completely understood always as as soon as Jesus showed up everyone knew exactly the programme ,what would happen , I don't know why we bothered writing all this extra stuff down really, as its all just the OT continuing on as normal........"

 

[Guojing]

Contrary to your claim, David not only foresaw Christ's resurrection from the dead and ascension back to heaven, but I could just as easily show you how he foresaw Christ's crucifixion as well (like in Psalm 22, for example).

As Peter said, David knew that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne. In other words, unlike some Jews of Jesus' day, David understood that Christ's path to the throne required a crucifixion, burial, resurrection, ascension back to heaven, and a glorification at God's right hand (Psalm 8, Psalm 110, etc.), so your allegation is patently false.

So you think he understood it, but he forgot to pass that understanding down to others, such that by the time Jesus arrived, Peter denied knowing Christ just before the latter was to be crucified in the cross, and none of the 12 bother to camp outside the tomb counting down to his resurrection?

 

[throughfaith]

26Even the mystery which hath been HID !!!!! from ages and from generations, BUT NOW!!!is made manifest to his saints
col 1

 

[Live4Him]

ok then we really should change it to :

4Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5Which in other ages was always known, i don't know why i just said mystery what i really meant was it was always made known unto the sons of men, it was always revealed and im just taking this time as there was some extra parchment to fill ,that again to say unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

So, you're going to ignore the Biblical truth that I shared with you, a Biblical truth plainly taught by one of Christ's Holy Spirit filled Apostles (Peter), because it flies directly in the face of your false allegation?

Don't you have any fear of God?

I'm seriously concerned for your well-being, and I'm not being the least bit facetious or antagonistic.

 

[John146]

According to Peter, the Old Testament prophets had the Spirit of Christ in them.

The verse states, as they testified, wrote scripture. The Holy Spirit was in them as they wrote scripture. The spirit would come and go from a man. There was no sealing of the spirit until after the resurrection.

 

[Live4Him]

ok then we really should change it to :

4Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5Which in other ages was always known, i don't know why i just said mystery what i really meant was it was always made known unto the sons of men, it was always revealed and im just taking this time as there was some extra parchment to fill ,that again to say unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:After all Peter Just knew Cornelius would get converted and all gentiles ,I don't know why people are making all this fuss. Yes everyone!! in the OT understood everything just the same as today. The diciples knew all that would take place ,the prophecies were completely understood always as as soon as Jesus showed up everyone knew exactly the programme ,what would happen , I don't know why we bothered writing all this extra stuff down really, as its all just the OT continuing on as normal........"

The disciples should have known these things because they had already been prophesied.

In relation to Cornelius and the Gentiles, here is what both Peter and James said:

Acts chapter 15

[7] And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
[8] And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
[9] And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
[10] Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
[11] But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
[12] Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.
[13] And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
[14] Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
[15] And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
[16] After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
[17] That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
[18] Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

"KNOWN UNTO GOD ARE ALL HIS WORKS FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD", AND HE HAD PREVIOUSLY FORETOLD, IN A MULTITUDE OF PLACES, THAT THE GENTILES WOULD BE FELLOW-HEIRS, SO, AGAIN, IT WASN'T A "MYSTERY" IN THE FAULTY SENSE THAT YOU KEEP ON CLAIMING IT WAS.

You really do need to get a good dose of the fear of God and change your faulty beliefs.

I'm NOT saying this as your enemy, but rather as someone who is genuinely trying to help you.

 

[Live4Him]

So you think he understood it, but he forgot to pass that understanding down to others, such that by the time Jesus arrived, Peter denied knowing Christ just before the latter was to be crucified in the cross, and none of the 12 bother to camp outside the tomb counting down to his resurrection?

Never said that.

What I have said is that THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN IT because it had not only been foretold in the Old Testament scriptures in a multitude of places, but Jesus also told them these things directly on more than one occasion PRIOR TO his crucifixion.

For example, have you never read:

Matthew chapter 16

[21] From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
[22] Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
[23] But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

?

 

[Live4Him]

The verse states, as they testified, wrote scripture. The Holy Spirit was in them as they wrote scripture. The spirit would come and go from a man. There was no sealing of the spirit until after the resurrection.

No.

The verse says that they had the Spirit of Christ in them, and the rest is words that you have added.

I'll stick with the scriptures.

 

[Guojing]

Never said that.

What I have said is that THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN IT because it had not only been foretold in the Old Testament scriptures in a multitude of places, but Jesus also told them these things directly on more than one occasion PRIOR TO his crucifixion.

For example, have you never read:

Matthew chapter 16

[21] From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
[22] Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
[23] But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

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So do you think David pass that understanding to anyone before the end of his life?

He was credited with writing many Psalms right?

How come not one Psalm from him told Israel clearly that

"Jesus would have to die for the sins of Israel, but he will rise from the dead on the 3rd day as a sign that all your sins are put away".

 

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The disciples should have known these things because they had already been prophesied.

In relation to Cornelius and the Gentiles, here is what both Peter and James said:

Acts chapter 15

[7] And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
[8] And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
[9] And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
[10] Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
[11] But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
[12] Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.
[13] And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
[14] Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
[15] And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
[16] After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
[17] That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
[18] Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

"KNOWN UNTO GOD ARE ALL HIS WORKS FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD", AND HE HAD PREVIOUSLY FORETOLD, IN A MULTITUDE OF PLACES, THAT THE GENTILES WOULD BE FELLOW-HEIRS, SO, AGAIN, IT WASN'T A "MYSTERY" IN THE FAULTY SENSE THAT YOU KEEP ON CLAIMING IT WAS.

You really do need to get a good dose of the fear of God and change your faulty beliefs.

I'm NOT saying this as your enemy, but rather as someone who is genuinely trying to help you.

I think your suffering from a classic case of ' hindsight ' . Your reading backwards from the understanding revealed later .

 

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So do you think David pass that understanding to anyone before the end of his life?

He wrote it in the psalms, didn't he?

For this very reason, after his resurrection from the dead, Jesus said to Peter and others:

Luke chapter 24

[44] And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
[45] Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
[46] And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
[47] And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
[48] And ye are witnesses of these things.

Again, not only had Jesus himself told them of these these things directly "while he was yet with them" or PRIOR TO his crucifixion, but they had also already been foretold "in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms".

It's the truth, whether or not you'll ever embrace it.