The Trinity Doctrine in the Bible

[BamaPapist]

God said I placed my word above my name. the word of God says we are to adhere to all that is written therein. The Bible says over and over again God speaking " Keep my words and live". The Bible is a miracle of God's handy work given to man written by man as the Holy Spirit carried them along and God has kept His word.

To say otherwise is like Joe Biden calling a national day of pray but left God out of it.

The RCC is called a church BUT it has LEFT GOD OUT OF IT.

I agree with that entire first paragraph. The scriptures are beautiful and I treasure them. The doctrine of Sola scriptura just isn’t in the scriptures, so I won’t believe that.

No early Christian from the first 4 centuries believed in it either, (I challenge you to name one). What I do see is the Church, Tradition, and the Scriptures being used to guide them into truth.

By the way, I can’t stand Biden’s principles. No Catholic I know is proud of his lack of commitment to Catholic moral teaching.

 

[CS1]

Ok, then can you name one non Catholic Christian from the 1st 4 centuries that believes the distinctive Protestant beliefs you believe? Just one.

You mentioned Revelation, did you skip over the part where the elders in heaven were offering prayers to God from the saints on Earth? Or have you read in 1 Timothy about how all Christians are asked to pray for each other? When you go to heaven, you are still part of the body of Christ (probably more so). They can pray for us. James tells us prayers from holy people are very powerful, if you’re in heaven I would think those prayers are probably more so.

there is only one to believe in that is the Lord Jesus Christ from 36AD today tomorrow and forever. it is Pride to speak about the RCC or the aog, or the Reformation more than it is the Lord Jesus Christ who is the only way Period. That did not change

 

[Nehemiah6]

No Catholic I know is proud of his lack of commitment to Catholic moral teaching.

So why was Biden not ex-communicated long, long, ago? Since he has been lying through his teeth ever since he entered politics, and also promoting abortion. Is it because the pope himself is a Communist and a heretic? Or is there a double-standard in the Catholic Church?

 

[CS1]

Ok, then can you name one non Catholic Christian from the 1st 4 centuries that believes the distinctive Protestant beliefs you believe? Just one.

You mentioned Revelation, did you skip over the part where the elders in heaven were offering prayers to God from the saints on Earth? Or have you read in 1 Timothy about how all Christians are asked to pray for each other? When you go to heaven, you are still part of the body of Christ (probably more so). They can pray for us. James tells us prayers from holy people are very powerful, if you’re in heaven I would think those prayers are probably more so.

FYI it's the elder pray it doesn't say those on earth are to pray to them. Jesus is the only Mediator between God and man. it says in the word of God

Come boldly to the Throne room of grace to obtain mercy in your time of need. Nowhere does it say come to dead elders who are in heaven and pray to them for help. When was speaking of those who are alive, not dead. read James 5 it is to the living church not dead Patriarchs.

 

[phil36]

Again, if the Bible itself does not teach that the Bible Alone is the sole infallible source of our faith...then Sola Scriptura is a self-defeating proposition, which is the case.

Paul calls the church the “pillar and bulwark of truth”. Sounds infallible to me. He also describes an oral “tradition” passed down through the church as the word of God. Jesus didn’t leave us a Bible when he ascended into Heaven, he left us a Church.

Yes the universal church not your definition of masgesterium. We guard and share the truth contained and taught in the scripture we now have written down.

~And we have the prophetic word more fully confirmed, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts, ----- For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. 2 Peter 1:19;21.

~All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness 2 Timothy 3:16).

~ If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater, for this is the testimony of God that he has borne concerning his Son (1 John 5:9).

~ And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as a human word, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is indeed at work in you who believe (1 Thess 2:13).

It's quite clear that scripture teaches that it alone is the supreme authority on matters of faith.

So it comes down this..what is the infallible rule of interpretation? you would say it is by man (magesterium (Pope and bishops)), however I believe that this is in direct opposition to what scripture teaches.

The infallible rule for interpreting scripture is scripture itself (see Scripture above).

I am not saying that tradition is not trustworthy or the teachings from men are not helpful. But categorically can state that man's teachings/ traditions are not infallible but fallible.

 

[BamaPapist]

So why was Biden not ex-communicated long, long, ago? Since he has been lying through his teeth ever since he entered politics, and also promoting abortion. Is it because the pope himself is a Communist and a heretic? Or is there a double-standard in the Catholic Church?

His immortality on a personal level is between him and God. God’s Church is holy, but it’s made up of sinners and saints.

As far as I know he has never refuted any of the dogmas of the Catholic Church, so I’m not sure what he could be excommunicated for.

 

[BamaPapist]

FYI it's the elder pray it doesn't say those on earth are to pray to them. Jesus is the only Mediator between God and man. it says in the word of God

Come boldly to the Throne room of grace to obtain mercy in your time of need. Nowhere does it say come to dead elders who are in heaven and pray to them for help. When was speaking of those who are alive, not dead. read James 5 it is to the living church not dead Patriarchs.

Humor me a minute...

It’s clear in that passage of Revelation those elders in heaven are offering prayers to God. I’ve never met a Protestant that disputes that by the way. They’re obviously not offering prayers for souls in heaven because people in heaven don’t need prayers, they’re in heaven already.

So who else would they be offering prayers for if not the people on Earth? Rev Ch 5: 8 is the verse.

 

[Nehemiah6]

As far as I know he has never refuted any of the dogmas of the Catholic Church, so I’m not sure what he could be excommunicated for.

Sine the Catholic Church is adamantly against abortion and Biden is adamantly pro-abortion, that should be grounds to remove him from his fake Catholicism, and classify him as an accessory to murder. How hard is that?

 

[Dino246]

Sola Scriptura itself is not biblical, so good luck trying to make out the entire doctrine of the Trinity using just that method. Fortunately, Jesus created a Church to make these things clear to us.

Jesus did not, however, create the RCC as it is today; that was the doing of sinful men.

Since you are new, and Catholic, I will offer you fair warning: arguing in favour of Catholicism on this forum is a effective method to find yourself evicted. I would caution you to tread lightly with that subject.

 

[BamaPapist]

Sine the Catholic Church is adamantly against abortion and Biden is adamantly pro-abortion, that should be grounds to remove him from his fake Catholicism, and classify him as an accessory to murder. How hard is that?

I’m with you, his abortion beliefs are disgusting. I don’t think he would be able to receive communion in my Parish but there is no defined statement from the church about his particular situation. He was denied communion in South Carolina last year. He himself is not committing the sin of abortion, so that’s his loophole. I wish all the Bishops would deny people that enable abortion the right to take communion. Hopefully that will come to pass eventually.

 

[BamaPapist]

Jesus did not, however, create the RCC as it is today; that was the doing of sinful men.

Since you are new, and Catholic, I will offer you fair warning: arguing in favour of Catholicism on this forum is a effective method to find yourself evicted. I would caution you to tread lightly with that subject.

I disagree with your first paragraph but you’re entitled to your opinion. If people can’t defend their beliefs, that’s their problem not mine.

 

[S3RV4NT]

Is Jesus God? Absolutely.

Did He teach the Trinity doctrine? Absolutely (Matthew 28:19)

Is Matthew 28:19 Scripture? Absolutely.

So you have made some rather serious false statements. Time to retract everything.

I gave you an 'E' for effort.

Nice try.

 

[CS1]

I agree with that entire first paragraph. The scriptures are beautiful and I treasure them. The doctrine of Sola scriptura just isn’t in the scriptures, so I won’t believe that.

No early Christian from the first 4 centuries believed in it either, (I challenge you to name one). What I do see is the Church, Tradition, and the Scriptures being used to guide them into truth.

By the way, I can’t stand Biden’s principles. No Catholic I know is proud of his lack of commitment to Catholic moral teaching.

the term "Sola Scriptura " is a statement that means :
"by scripture alone" to that I say amen. All words must be measured in the light of All scripture. The concept of the statement speaks directly to what is known as the authoritative word of God. You will not find " Sola Scriptura in the bible but the concept is there.

 

[BamaPapist]

the term "Sola Scriptura " is a statement that means :
"by scripture alone" to that I say amen. All words must be measured in the light of All scripture. The concept of the statement speaks directly to what is known as the authoritative word of God. You will not find " Sola Scriptura in the bible but the concept is there.

I would not need the phrase “Sola Scriptura” to be in the Bible in order to believe it’s true. Trinity is not in the Bible but that doctrine is most definitely true.

But I would need to see that the Bible teaches that the Bible is formally sufficient (as opposed to material sufficient), and that the Bible (alone) is the only infallible source of our faith. I don’t see where the Bible teaches that. You say the concept is there, where is it?

We all know the Bible is infallible, that doesn’t solve this topic.

 

[CS1]

Humor me a minute...

It’s clear in that passage of Revelation those elders in heaven are offering prayers to God. I’ve never met a Protestant that disputes that by the way. They’re obviously not offering prayers for souls in heaven because people in heaven don’t need prayers, they’re in heaven already.

So who else would they be offering prayers for if not the people on Earth? Rev Ch 5: 8 is the verse.

again you will not find in the word of God any example of praying to the dead in a godly way Saul tried to summing Samuel.

The elders are also laying down the crowns crying holy holy Holy. You will not find anyone contextually being told who is alive and not dead to pray to those who are dead. let me say it this way.


Is the god of the Bible incapable of hearing everyone's prayers? No!. Is the God of the bible so weak that he needs dead saints to speak to God on our behalf because they are so close to the throne? No.

Has Jesus failed as the only Mediator between God and man that now we must go to dead saints to have our prayers answered?

no. Praying to dead saints is an unbiblical, error. Those who teach such things will answer to the living God for leading people astray.

 

[BamaPapist]

again you will not find in the word of God any example of praying to the dead in a godly way Saul tried to summing Samuel.

The elders are also laying down the crowns crying holy holy Holy. You will not find anyone contextually being told who is alive and not dead to pray to those who are dead. let me say it this way.


Is the god of the Bible incapable of hearing everyone's prayers? No!. Is the God of the bible so weak that he needs dead saints to speak to God on our behalf because they are so close to the throne? No.

Has Jesus failed as the only Mediator between God and man that now we must go to dead saints to have our prayers answered?

no. Praying to dead saints is an unbiblical, error. Those who teach such things will answer to the living God for leading people astray.

Brother, you need to read a few verses before the verse that says Christ is the one mediator. 1 Tim Ch 2:1

In that verse Paul tells us this:
“First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men”.

That makes us mediators. It doesn’t take away from Christ at all for us to fill that role in prayer for others. I provided you a specific verse that showed Christians in heaven giving prayers to God from people on Earth. You also don’t believe in the communion of the saints so I’m not surprised.

 

[CS1]

I would not need the phrase “Sola Scriptura” to be in the Bible in order to believe it’s true. Trinity is not in the Bible but that doctrine is most definitely true.

But I would need to see that the Bible teaches that the Bible is formally sufficient (as opposed to material sufficient), and that the Bible (alone) is the only infallible source of our faith. I don’t see where the Bible teaches that. You say the concept is there, where is it?

We all know the Bible is infallible, that doesn’t solve this topic.

the word of God is more than enough but God from what we read in his word tells us the Bible is not the only Revelation of God that was given to man. I know some are shocked but in the book of Romans

Paul wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in chapter 1:18-23

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men,
who suppress the truth (hold the truth hostage)

in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.


The word of God is a witness and so is God's creation a witness and so is God's Spirit a witness and so is the Eternal Son of GOD HE is a witness. Yet in all that, because man is without excuse

how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him, Hebrews 2:3.

 

[CS1]

Brother, you need to read a few verses before the verse that says Christ is the one mediator. 1 Tim Ch 2:1

In that verse Paul tells us this:
“First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men”.

That makes us mediators. It doesn’t take away from Christ at all for us to fill that role in prayer for others. I provided you a specific verse that showed Christians in heaven giving prayers to God from people on Earth. You also don’t believe in the communion of the saints so I’m not surprised.

that verse is speaking to those who are alive, not those who have passed On. When you are dead you are not heard by those on earth. That is what is called an "Omni-presence" FYI Only God has that ability. That is why Jesus is the Only Mediator between God and man.

 

[S3RV4NT]

I believe in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as all God. I can’t at this moment understand trinity.

No one really can. If we try to explain we find ourselves in error so you have the right idea. Let it be one of the mysteries of God.

This is the whole joke of the matter. A concept was 'devised' by the Roman Catholic Church that they themselves cannot even understand. NOBODY CAN. Because it makes ZERO sense.

Proponents say, "Oh, it's just spiritually discerned is all. That's ... that's why!"

Well, has anybody YET discerned it? NO. They concede that it CAN'T be discerned ... that it's a Big MYSTERY that you must trust THEM about it - NOT GOD, mind you. God explains it exactly NOWHERE in scripture.

KNOW THIS FIRST "... no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation (origin)." (2 Pet. 1:20)

This means that NOTHING about God, or in God's Word, was written ONLY FOR CERTAIN people to know/comprehend!! All of scripture was written, and directed, to ALL.

So it's not even possible, according to the Word of God, for anybody to perceive some 'abstract' truth about God, that nobody else can perceive or understand, and simply tell others to trust THEM about it.

Guess what? That is EXACTLY how cults operate!!

"WE can see things in scripture that YOU cannot!!", they declare. "You must come to US to understand the scriptures!!"

Hmmm ...

This is the EPITOME of the Roman Catholic Church's stance in the Dark Ages of hunting down Bible-believing Christians and MURDERING them for not accepting the Biblical concepts that were put forth by the early Popes!

Surely somebody on this forum recognizes that.

 

[BamaPapist]

that verse is speaking to those who are alive, not those who have passed On. When you are dead you are not heard by those on earth. That is what is called an "Omni-presence" FYI Only God has that ability. That is why Jesus is the Only Mediator between God and man.

I literally showed you in the Bible where souls in heaven are offering the prayers of people on Earth to God.

You’ve chosen to ignore it because it’s indisputable and refutes your position. So you’re premise that souls in heaven can’t hear our prayers is false.