Is death hiding everlasting Life from carnal minds?

[Magenta]

We don't find squat unless we look for God through the Heart.

Contradicting almost everything you have said since joining this site about wanting to wake millions of minds with scientific theories.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Contradicting almost everything you have said since joining this site about wanting to wake millions of minds with scientific theories.

"and a flaming sword that turned every way to guard the way to the tree of life"

"turned every way" = quantum superposition?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Flaming swords aren’t illusions. You’re inventing things. The Bible is not intended to inspire fantasy.

You are not telling me how you guard a Tree of Life.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Is there something preventing one of the cherubim from going dark and becoming the beast? Does it strike anyone odd that Judaism doesn't acknowledge satan like we do?

 

[FreeGrace2]

You are not telling me how you guard a Tree of Life.

How do you do it?

 

[FreeGrace2]

Is there something preventing one of the cherubim from going dark and becoming the beast?

Maybe. The Bible only records one episode of angelic rebellion. The one when Lucifer gathered 1/3 of all angels to join in his rebellion against God.

Does it strike anyone odd that Judaism doesn't acknowledge satan like we do?

Why is this important? Judaism doesn't even understand the OT.

 

[Dino246]

You are not telling me how you guard a Tree of Life.

I don't. Cherubim do, with flaming swords, as the Bible tells you.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Maybe. The Bible only records one episode of angelic rebellion. The one when Lucifer gathered 1/3 of all angels to join in his rebellion against God.


Why is this important? Judaism doesn't even understand the OT.

I'm asking at what point did lucifer become satan? It sure seems like somewhere around the end of the OT. Didn't someone say that satan was a cherub?

 

[crossnote]

I'm asking at what point did lucifer become satan? It sure seems like somewhere around the end of the OT. Didn't someone say that satan was a cherub?

Isaiah 14:12 (KJV) How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

PJ, are you new in the faith? Have you been wrapped up in the occult previously? You remind me of my way of thinking when I was a babe in the Lord.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Isaiah 14:12 (KJV) How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

PJ, are you new in the faith? Have you been wrapped up in the occult previously?

Right, shoot the guy trying to decode the Garden. "weaken the nations!" ..how was there a community of people during the Garden?

 

[OrphanedRepublican]

Is satan one of the placed cherubim that hide the Tree of Life?

Genesis 3:24 says, “He drove out the man, and at the east of the garden of Eden he placed the cherubim and a flaming sword that turned every way to guard the way to the tree of life.”​

"flaming sword" (God's Righteous Word) is guarding the goal of the test, Life

The cherubim hide Life (from carnal minds), so God's Righteous Word is the way to find it.

• The Jews were given Law of the flesh to find Life via Righteousness

• The Christians were given Law of the heart to find Life via Righteousness

sin in the Garden
They spiritually died, became a dead free will spirit.
God was starting the test of this reality by not letting them eat from the Tree of Life (Christ)..everlasting life.

Human spirit = your perception of reality using either fallen Free Will or righteous Free Will

The test is the meaning of life ..opening the door ..accessing God/Everlasting Life

The lie of the tempter, that we wouldn't die, is why we are here. he represented death which equates separation from God. The tempter's lie is what leads to the illusions that disguise the spiritual. That's why Jesus said He was The Truth and The Way.

Truth is ignoring the illusions (lies) and allowing God in our lives (Love).

I think this reality allows those that want to ignore God to find any excuse they want.

I think you're overthinking it.

We are here because Eve believed a lie and did not believe or trust God. Else, she would not have eaten.
The tree of life is forbidden to men specifically so that he can't lift his hand up and take of the fruit and eat and live forever.

Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

I saw free will mentioned in this post. Don't know what that has to do with anything, other than it's a pernicious false doctrine.

 

[Magenta]

Does it strike anyone odd that Judaism doesn't acknowledge satan like we do?

Does it strike you odd, as well, that Judaism does not acknowledge Jesus Christ like we do?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

I think you're overthinking it.

We are here because Eve believed a lie and did not believe or trust God. Else, she would not have eaten.
The tree of life is forbidden to men specifically so that he can't lift his hand up and take of the fruit and eat and live forever.

Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

I saw free will mentioned in this post. Don't know what that has to do with anything, other than it's a pernicious false doctrine.

God was preventing a free pass back into Heaven ..He was also starting this test we are in.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Can satan deceive because he had the ability/free will as a cherub? Are there still good cherubim just doing their job, hiding the Tree of Life, without looking for worship?

 

[FreeGrace2]

I'm asking at what point did lucifer become satan?

The Bible doesn't specify when. But when Adam and the woman were created, Satan was there, tempting the woman. Obviously, he had already rebelled.

Also, there is a verse that tells us that angels watched and cheered when God created the universe. Sorry I can't remember where.

It sure seems like somewhere around the end of the OT. Didn't someone say that satan was a cherub?

"End of the OT"? Seriously? The last book of the OT was written about 400 BC. Satan was IN the Garden deceiving the woman. That's found in the FIRST book of the Bible, Genesis.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

The Garden of Eden was giving us the meaning of Life.

You know your Bible dude. I'm impressed.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Right, shoot the guy trying to decode the Garden.[/QUOTE[]
What do you mean by "trying to decode the Garden"? Where do you get the notion that there is a code to decode?

"weaken the nations!" ..how was there a community of people during the Garden?

Ever heard of a community of 2?

Why do you there even was a community of people during (in) the Garden?

 

[FreeGrace2]

Can satan deceive because he had the ability/free will as a cherub? Are there still good cherubim just doing their job, hiding the Tree of Life, without looking for worship?

You are looking in all the wrong places.

You need to focus on Jesus Christ, His work on the cross, and how to please God by our lives.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

The Tree of Life isn't available to any of us. It was in the Garden, and will become available to us in the New Jerusalem.

Rev 22

Jesus has been "feeding" people at least since Abel. Yes, Abel was the first known True Prophet of God. He couldn't have become a Prophet unless "fed" by Christ. What does this mean? It means that Abel's Heart had been lifted of the Curse that his mom and pops set into motion. Jesus has been lifting the Curse from the beginning, the cutting away of the Sinful Nature. How else could anyone be Holy, just as our Father of Faith was Holy? Ahhh . . . Abraham, the Grandpappy of Jesus! That should cause a person to think for a moment.

Matthew 1:1 NIV - 1 This is the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah the son of David, the son of Abraham:

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

God was preventing a free pass back into Heaven. He was also starting this test we are in.

The Tree of Life in the Garden is a reflection of Christ on the Cross. Anything that can be eaten that grants Eternal Life . . . is Jesus. Be it the Fruit on the Tree of Life, Bread, Flesh of Christ, Wine, Blood of Christ . . . all of these things are Christ. That Amazing Tree in the Garden is there . . . yet making us wait for His pre-Planned death by which He grants Eternal Life to the masses, beginning on the DOP.

Love . . . It!