Why did the Lord create Israel?

eternally-gratefull · May 13, 2021

Whatever dude

you never want to discuss anything, it does not matter to you that the facts do not equal your belief. You just assume your right, and we should all bow to your view

the fact is, 36 and 39 have not yet been fulfilled, again, what was said to happen has never happened. So it could not be fulfilled yet.

once again, I leave you to your pride,

Truth7t7 · May 13, 2021

eternally-gratefull said:

The fact is, your attempt to claim and create a Millennial Temple and Kingdom on this earth, has failed the test of scriptural truth

Chapters 40-48 is the outcome of Ezekiel Chapters 36-39, it has a direct relationship, either way you lose in your attempt to create a future Millennial Temple On This Earth

The argument rests in interpretation of Ezekiel Chapters 40-48, it's that simple

There is no future Millennial Temple Seen In Isaiah Chapters 40-48, that you are desperate to create and claim

Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 Represents the 2nd Zerubbabel Temple built in 536BC after the Babylonian Captivity

Ezekiel Chapters 47-48 Represents the Eternal Kingdom in the New Heaven and Earth, where the river and tree of life are present

oyster67 · May 13, 2021

Blik said:

Sure He did.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Jesus had to come in through some lineage or line. He chose that of Abraham because of Abraham's faith. The Jew's pride was completely unfounded. Faith is the seed that the Father seeks.

Aldg19 · May 13, 2021

oyster67 said:

Sure He did.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Jesus had to come in through some lineage or line. He chose that of Abraham because of Abraham's faith. The Jew's pride was completely unfounded. Faith is the seed that the Father seeks.

Why did he created me

2ndTimothyGroup · May 13, 2021

Aldg19 said:

This may seem like a terrible thing to say, but that all depends on whether or not you were made for eternal destruction, or made for Eternal Life.

Aldg19 · May 13, 2021

2ndTimothyGroup said:

Eternal life

2ndTimothyGroup · May 13, 2021

Aldg19 said:

Your spirit seems to have already existed, yet knit together within your mother's womb. God placed your spirit with your body so as to Endure the trials and tribulations that are promised for your Christian Life. You will be given all that you need, especially the ability to Endure. And after you have Endured, you will reap the rewards of being one of the Elect; the Chosen. You were made to Glorify the Power of God!

eternally-gratefull · May 13, 2021

Truth7t7 said:

The fact is, your attempt to claim and create a Millennial Temple and Kingdom on this earth, has failed the test of scriptural truth

Chapters 40-48 is the outcome of Ezekiel Chapters 36-39, it has a direct relationship, either way you lose in your attempt to create a future Millennial Temple On This Earth

The argument rests in interpretation of Ezekiel Chapters 40-48, it's that simple

There is no future Millennial Temple Seen In Isaiah Chapters 40-48, that you are desperate to create and claim

Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 Represents the 2nd Zerubbabel Temple built in 536BC after the Babylonian Captivity

Ezekiel Chapters 47-48 Represents the Eternal Kingdom in the New Heaven and Earth, where the river and tree of life are present

Yawn
I am talking about the restoration of Israel as prophesied in 36 and 39 not some temple
you have major comprehension problems as usual. I was never talking about any temple

oyster67 · May 13, 2021

Aldg19 said:

He made you in the hope that you (and I) might seek Him, surrender all to Him, and trust in the Blood of Jesus to save our souls unto eternal glory and fellowship with Him.

1 Corinthians
15:35 But some [man] will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
15:36 [Thou] fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other [grain]:

Truth7t7 · May 13, 2021

eternally-gratefull said:

Ok a restored Israel

Where and When is this going to be seen, because they sure aren't restored now, with war at every border presently?

eternally-gratefull · May 13, 2021

Truth7t7 said:

Your right they are not. They have never been. But they will be. In Gods timing. We are even told when.

oyster67 · May 13, 2021

Truth7t7 said:

We make the mistake of thinking that a prophecy can only be fulfilled in one way and at one time.

Truth7t7 · May 13, 2021

eternally-gratefull said:

Once again, when and where will they be restored in their land?

eternally-gratefull · May 13, 2021

Truth7t7 said:

When God said so.

At the end of the time of Jacobs trouble. When Christ returns. and sets up his kingdom.

When God returns to destroy the final gentile kingdom (dan 2/7)

When the time of the gentile is fulfilled (rom 11)

When Christ returns.

I already showed you two other passages (ezek 36 and 39) .

ezek 37 would be another great passage for you

21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. 23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.

24 “David My servant shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd; they shall also walk in My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them. 25 Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there, they, their children, and their children’s children, forever; and My servant David shall be their prince forever. 26 Moreover I will [c]make a covenant of peace with them, and it shall be an everlasting covenant with them; I will establish them and multiply them, and I will set My sanctuary in their midst forevermore. 27 My tabernacle also shall be with them; indeed I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 28 The nations also will know that I, the Lord, sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary is in their midst

Please note this is not eternity. Once again it does not fit.

Truth7t7 · May 13, 2021

eternally-gratefull said:

Jesus Christ will return with the resurrection and glorified body if the believers, as death is swallowed up in victory (The End) not the start of a Kingdom on this earth

You can't bend and twist the very clear words of God below, to maintain your Kingdom on this earth, with mortal Jews present in earthly bodies (After The Second Coming)

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:22-26 & 51-54KJV
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

kaylagrl · May 13, 2021

Blik said:

Exodus 34:10 Look, I am now making a covenant: I shall work such wonders at the head of your whole people as have never been worked in any other country or nation, and all the people around you will see what Yahweh can do, for what I shall do through you will be awe-inspiring.

The Lord had gentiles in mind when He created Israel.[/QUOTE]

He had His chosen people in mind, and He still does. The Gentiles have zero to do with the promises God as yet to fulfill to Israel ( the Jewish people)

MattforJesus · May 13, 2021

Truth7t7 said:

This cannot be true.

Eze 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
Eze 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
Eze 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
Eze 39:24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.

Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

God said He will bring the whole house of Israel back to their land and leave none of them in the nations anymore, and they shall know the LORD their God from that time forward, and He will never hide His face from them again.

Which means that Israel as a nation will always be in the truth from that time forward and will never stray again so this has to be a future prophesy for Israel is not in the truth.

If this is the Babylonian captivity going back to Israel then Israel as a nation would of been in the truth from that time forward, and they would of not rejected Christ, and there would not be any Jews in the nations from that time forward for God said He will leave none of them in the nations anymore.

If this is a past prophesy Israel would be in the truth and there would be no Jews in the other nations from that time forward.

But we see Israel is not in the truth and there is Jews in the other nations so this has to be a future prophesy.

The antichrist will establish peace in the Middle East and it will pave the way for all Jews to go to Israel for the Gentile nations will cause it to happen and the New Age Christ wants all the Jews back on their land but God means it for good towards the Jews to turn them to the truth by 2 witnesses.

And with the conflict in Israel between the Jews and Palestinians it may be close to the New Age Christ to establish peace in the Middle East with a 7 years covenant which Israel will split Jerusalem with the Palestinians.

eternally-gratefull · May 13, 2021

oyster67 said:

Any prophecy can be fulfilled only if it is 100 % fulfilled

If it is not 100 %, then it is not fulfilled.

An example is the return from babylon. It does not fit. because although they were returned to the land. Not everything was fulfilled.

Truth7t7 said:

yet you can not tell where where any gentile was scattered because if sun and restored because they repented it where any gentile nation was promised any of the things

Until you do your argument is mute. You arguing against scripture not with it

Truth7t7 · May 13, 2021

eternally-gratefull said:

Read it again and again, plain, clear, simple, and easy to understand

Jesus Christ will return with the resurrection and glorified body of the believers, as death is swallowed up in victory (The End) not the start of a Kingdom on this earth

You can't bend and twist the very clear words of God below, to maintain your Kingdom on this earth, with mortal Jews present in earthly bodies (After The Second Coming)

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:22-26 & 51-54KJV
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Runningman · May 13, 2021

Fundamentally speaking, God created all things for His pleasure.

Revelation 4:11
11Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

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