Why did the Lord create Israel?

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Truth7t7

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Lucy-Pevensie said:
That poster is a heaving anti-Semite who totally opposes God's repeatedly stated plans for Israel.
It's not worth banging your head against the religious wall of replacement theology he espouses.

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Your claim of myself being an antisemite is a "False Accusation"

Ezekiel was instructed to show his vision and pattern of the temple to the house of Israel in the Babylonian Captivity, he was instructed to write the las and ordinances of this temple in "Their" sight, that "They" might do them

To teach Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 is a future temple is pinocchio's nose is growing again

Hey house of Israel in the Captivity, I'm going to show you the pattern of the temple of the Lord in Jerusalem, dont get upset, but it's going to be built in the distant future some 2500 years from now?

Real Big Smiles! :giggle:

Ezekiel 40-46 represents Israel returning from the 70 year Babylonian Captivity, and building the 2nd Zerubbabel Temple in 536BC

As seen in Ezekiel 40:1-4 below, Ezekiel was in the 25th year of the Babylonian Captivity, and he was instructed to show the vision to the house of Israel (In The Captivity) not some future generation 2500+ years and waiting :eek:

Ezekiel 40:1-4KJV
1 In the five and twentieth year of our captivity, in the beginning of the year, in the tenth day of the month, in the fourteenth year after that the city was smitten, in the selfsame day the hand of the Lord was upon me, and brought me thither.
2 In the visions of God brought he me into the land of Israel, and set me upon a very high mountain, by which was as the frame of a city on the south.
3 And he brought me thither, and, behold, there was a man, whose appearance was like the appearance of brass, with a line of flax in his hand, and a measuring reed; and he stood in the gate.
4 And the man said unto me, Son of man, behold with thine eyes, and hear with thine ears, and set thine heart upon all that I shall shew thee; for to the intent that I might shew them unto thee art thou brought hither: declare all that thou seest to the house of Israel.

Ezekiel was instructed to let Israel (In The Captivity) measure the pattern to build the temple, he wrote the laws and ordinances in "their" sight and "they" kept the whole thereof, not some future generation as you falsely believe and teach.

Ezekiel 43:10-11KJV
10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.
11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.
 
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Truth7t7

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oyster67 said:
Is that a typo or something? The Second Coming of Christ with the previously raptured and glorified Church marks the start of Christ's Millennial Reign on this Earth.
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Your claim that the Church is previously raptured and glorified "Prior" to the second coming is "False"

When the believers receive their glorified bodies (Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory) The End
 
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Truth7t7

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Hungry said:
The end of the age, not the end of life.
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The Second Coming And Harvest Is The End Of The World :)

Matthew 13:37-43KJV
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
 
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Lucy-Pevensie said:
That poster is a heaving anti-Semite who totally opposes God's repeatedly stated plans for Israel.
It's not worth banging your head against the religious wall of replacement theology he espouses.

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He is not only an Anti-Semite. He is anti scripture. And sadly, his pride will not allow hi to see what he is doing.

He wants to scream about how wrong we are. Yet when we show him biblical passages and point out events which the prophets say WILL happen. He ignores then and will not even look at them. He just tells us we are wrong.

When someone does that. As you said. Your just beating a dead horse
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
He is not only an Anti-Semite. He is anti scripture. And sadly, his pride will not allow hi to see what he is doing.

He wants to scream about how wrong we are. Yet when we show him biblical passages and point out events which the prophets say WILL happen. He ignores then and will not even look at them. He just tells us we are wrong.

When someone does that. As you said. Your just beating a dead horse
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Your claim of myself being antisemitic and anti scripture is "False Accusations"

You clearly deny the simple and clear words of God below, as they clearly show Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 Represents the 2nd Zerubbabel temple built in 536BC, when Israel returned to Jerusalem after the Babylonian Captivity

Ezekiel was instructed to show his vision and pattern of the temple to the house of Israel in the Babylonian Captivity, he was instructed to write the laws and ordinances of this temple in "Their" sight, that "They" might do them

To teach Ezekiel Chapters 40-46 is a future temple is pinocchio's nose is growing again

Hey house of Israel in the Captivity, I'm going to show you the pattern of the temple of the Lord in Jerusalem, dont get upset, but it's going to be built in the distant future some 2500 years from now?

Real Big Smiles! :giggle:

Ezekiel 40-46 represents Israel returning from the 70 year Babylonian Captivity, and building the 2nd Zerubbabel Temple in 536BC

As seen in Ezekiel 40:1-4 below, Ezekiel was in the 25th year of the Babylonian Captivity, and he was instructed to show the vision to the house of Israel (In The Captivity) not some future generation 2500+ years and waiting :eek:

Ezekiel 40:1-4KJV
1 In the five and twentieth year of our captivity, in the beginning of the year, in the tenth day of the month, in the fourteenth year after that the city was smitten, in the selfsame day the hand of the Lord was upon me, and brought me thither.
2 In the visions of God brought he me into the land of Israel, and set me upon a very high mountain, by which was as the frame of a city on the south.
3 And he brought me thither, and, behold, there was a man, whose appearance was like the appearance of brass, with a line of flax in his hand, and a measuring reed; and he stood in the gate.
4 And the man said unto me, Son of man, behold with thine eyes, and hear with thine ears, and set thine heart upon all that I shall shew thee; for to the intent that I might shew them unto thee art thou brought hither: declare all that thou seest to the house of Israel.

Ezekiel was instructed to let Israel (In The Captivity) measure the pattern to build the temple, he wrote the laws and ordinances in "their" sight and "they" kept the whole thereof, not some future generation as you falsely believe and teach.

Ezekiel 43:10-11KJV
10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.
11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.
 
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The Lord created Israel for His Glory. Just as everything else He creates. The glory of the Lord is the main reason anything exists.
That is the purpose of our existence: to glorify God. That is what I undoubtedly believe with my whole heart and soul.
GLORY TO GOD IN THE HIGHEST!!!!!
 
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Truth7t7 said:
It's been clearly explained, and you are wrong:)
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They clearly neither built the temple nor kept the liturgy Ezekiel described.

So i have facts, you have your private opinion, and they conflict, but you prefer your opinion.

Guess what that means
 
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posthuman said:
They clearly neither built the temple nor kept the liturgy Ezekiel described.

So i have facts, you have your private opinion, and they conflict, but you prefer your opinion.

Guess what that means
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Ezekiel was instructed to let Israel (In The Captivity) measure the pattern to build the temple, he wrote the laws and ordinances in "their" sight and "they" kept the whole thereof, not some future generation as you falsely believe and teach.

Ezekiel 43:10-11KJV
10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.
11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
Ezekiel was instructed to let Israel (In The Captivity) measure the pattern to build the temple, he wrote the laws and ordinances in "their" sight and "they" kept the whole thereof, not some future generation as you falsely believe and teach.

Ezekiel 43:10-11KJV
10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.
11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.
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They clearly never built the temple nor kept the liturgy that Ezekiel described in his vision.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Lol @Truth7t7 i stead of giving me a red x, prove me wrong

prove where Isreal was completely restored after Babylon, prove where she repented and accepted the truth of God, prove where all Jews were in their land and ma y were not still scatterd

or your red x is meaningless
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FYI the REd X means they disagree :)
 
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oyster67 said:
That was a terrible thing to say, because it is wrong. No one was made for eternal destruction. Wicked men
chose this end of their own free will and volition. They chose to reject the free call that went out to all.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long-
suffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
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2 Peter 3:9 :)
 
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2ndTimothyGroup said:
This may seem like a terrible thing to say, but that all depends on whether or not you were made for eternal destruction, or made for Eternal Life.
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This is the key to understanding Israel. God made human beings, all of them are created by God. God created them for eternal life, God does not want them destroyed by sin and gave all humans a way to circumvent their destruction through Christ. Christ is not for Israel alone at all, Christ is for everyone.

The Lord created Israel to help with the salvation of every human.
 
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Blik said:
This is the key to understanding Israel. God made human beings, all of them are created by God. God created them for eternal life, God does not want them destroyed by sin and gave all humans a way to circumvent their destruction through Christ. Christ is not for Israel alone at all, Christ is for everyone.

The Lord created Israel to help with the salvation of every human.
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Then what do we do with David, who called for the deaths of many? And we should remember that David is the Father of Christ (Matt 1:1).

Psalm 59:12-13 NLT - "Because of the sinful things they say, because of the evil that is on their lips, let them be captured by their pride, their curses, and their lies. Destroy them in your anger! Wipe them out completely! Then the whole world will know that God reigns in Israel."

Salvation is about Power . . . the Power of God to Purify anyone He so chooses (and has not chosen . . . for those unchosen were made for destruction.)
 
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2ndTimothyGroup said:
Then what do we do with David, who called for the deaths of many? And we should remember that David is the Father of Christ (Matt 1:1).

Psalm 59:12-13 NLT - "Because of the sinful things they say, because of the evil that is on their lips, let them be captured by their pride, their curses, and their lies. Destroy them in your anger! Wipe them out completely! Then the whole world will know that God reigns in Israel."

Salvation is about Power . . . the Power of God to Purify anyone He so chooses (and has not chosen . . . for those unchosen were made for destruction.)
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Salvation is about saving humans from the death that sin brings them. Wherever there is sin there is death, wherever there is faith in Christ, even in the shadow of Christ, there is life.
 
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Blik said:
Salvation is about saving humans from the death that sin brings them. Wherever there is sin there is death, wherever there is faith in Christ, even in the shadow of Christ, there is life.
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Ok, but what do we do with the text that I set before us?
 
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2ndTimothyGroup said:
Ok, but what do we do with the text that I set before us?
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We read that text as truth. It is telling of ones who say sinful things. It is not saying that every human in Israel is sinful.
 
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