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The question is not keeping the sabbath or any of the laws of Moses, the question is to what purpose are you keeping them? to be saved? to somehow maintain your saved status? will you not soon be laying it down for others as necessary to salvation or sanctification?

Paul shows the strong christian as opposed to the weak believer. The one who counts all days unto the Lord equal for the purpose of worship and the weak believer who only observes one day as special to the Lord.

John did not receive the Revelation on Sunday ;)

He was in the Spirit on the Lord's day ... or the day of the Lord
I think you are reflecting the truth as the holy spirit is giving it to you.

We are not to observe the seasons and dates, but to follow Christ. Pagans worship the seasons and dates. God told us that He worked six days at creation and rested on the seventh, and told us to do the same. That is the Sabbath.
 
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What does it mean for us today, to keep the Sabbath holy? It is still a commandment.....
Thanks for asking this. I'm a fairly new Christian and have been so confused by this. I believe it's still a commandment for us, though I'm not sure what it means. I mean, can I purchase anything or do a laundry?
 

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Thanks for asking this. I'm a fairly new Christian and have been so confused by this. I believe it's still a commandment for us, though I'm not sure what it means. I mean, can I purchase anything or do a laundry?
The Law was given by God through Moses to ancient Israel. That was the "old covenant" which was ratified with the blood of bulls and goats. We who are believers in Christ are under the "new covenant" which was ratified by the blood of Jesus Christ, God in the flesh. Christians are not under the Law. This is emphasized repeatedly in the New Testament, particularly in Galatians and Hebrews. Read Galatians 3 and Hebrews 8:7-13 for a quick summary.
 

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Thanks for asking this. I'm a fairly new Christian and have been so confused by this. I believe it's still a commandment for us, though I'm not sure what it means. I mean, can I purchase anything or do a laundry?
It's great that you are open to this. God will guide you, search and you will find. The best thing to understand about the Sabbath is that it is a gift from God at creation, God gave us a whole day to spend time with Him. Nature and rest is important for me because it helps me to connect with God. Work is a distraction and a lot of entertainments take us away from God and that's why i avoid these.
 
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The Law was given by God through Moses to ancient Israel. That was the "old covenant" which was ratified with the blood of bulls and goats. We who are believers in Christ are under the "new covenant" which was ratified by the blood of Jesus Christ, God in the flesh. Christians are not under the Law. This is emphasized repeatedly in the New Testament, particularly in Galatians and Hebrews. Read Galatians 3 and Hebrews 8:7-13 for a quick summary.
I understand that most modern Christians believe what you've said, but I can't feel right about it. The old guys, like JC Ryle and others I've listened to fully believe that the Sabbath is a commandment for all of us. I don't want to take a chance of breaking a commandment willfully. I feel better keeping it. Thank you for responding. I appreciate and respect your opinion/belief.
 

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For starters our Father gave it to us as a gift.

It symbolizes the seventh millennium for me............so yes, I opt to keep the Sabbath separate as a special day.........whether I have been scheduled to work my mundane work as employment or not........it is still a separate day.
Lord Jesus Jesus made it clear. The Sabbath is made for man, not man for the Sabbath. Also, the day of rest was intended for an agrarian society. Farmers are notoriously unwilling to take time off.

People are not machines and suffer if they do not get sufficient rest. It's the root cause of many health and mental problems in societies that demand too much of their workers. Since a great deal of work is no longer physically, a day of rest will look different nowadays. But it still should be entirely different from the day to day work an individual does.
 

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I understand that most modern Christians believe what you've said, but I can't feel right about it. The old guys, like JC Ryle and others I've listened to fully believe that the Sabbath is a commandment for all of us. I don't want to take a chance of breaking a commandment willfully. I feel better keeping it. Thank you for responding. I appreciate and respect your opinion/belief.
That's fine. It's a conscience issue. May the Lord bless you as you seek to please Him.
 

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I understand that most modern Christians believe what you've said, but I can't feel right about it. The old guys, like JC Ryle and others I've listened to fully believe that the Sabbath is a commandment for all of us. I don't want to take a chance of breaking a commandment willfully. I feel better keeping it. Thank you for responding. I appreciate and respect your opinion/belief.
Hello Glitter :) I am curious to know how you plan to observe/keep the Sabbath as obeying a command, since for the Jews, this meant they could not even strike a match to light a fire. Likewise, carrying anything in a pocket would be considered a work. How the Jews thought of Sabbath keeping was wrong, according to Jesus, Who was accused of breaking the Sabbath... which would disqualify Him as being the perfect Lamb of God because, if Christ broke any law or commandment, His sacrifice on our behalf to pay the sin debt would not have been acceptable to God. Jesus told them they had put human tradition ahead of God's intent, saying, "Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that."
 

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The Law was given by God through Moses to ancient Israel. That was the "old covenant" which was ratified with the blood of bulls and goats. We who are believers in Christ are under the "new covenant" which was ratified by the blood of Jesus Christ, God in the flesh. Christians are not under the Law. This is emphasized repeatedly in the New Testament, particularly in Galatians and Hebrews. Read Galatians 3 and Hebrews 8:7-13 for a quick summary.
You have the new and old covenant mixed up.

The covenant of grace was first made with man in Eden, when after the Fall there was given a divine promise that the seed of the woman should bruise the serpent's head. To all men this covenant offered pardon and the assisting grace of God for future obedience through faith in Christ. It also promised them eternal life on condition of fidelity to God's law. Thus the patriarchs received the hope of salvation.
This same covenant was renewed to Abraham in the promise, “In thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed.” Genesis 22:18. This promise pointed to Christ. So Abraham understood it (see Galatians 3:8, 16), and he trusted in Christ for the forgiveness of sins. It was this faith that was accounted unto him for righteousness. The covenant with Abraham also maintained the authority of God's law. The Lord appeared unto Abraham, and said, “I am the Almighty God; walk before Me, and be thou perfect.” Genesis 17:1. The testimony of God concerning His faithful servant was, “Abraham obeyed My voice, and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.” Genesis 26:5. And the Lord declared to him, “I will establish My covenant between Me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee and to thy seed after thee.” Genesis 17:7.

Was The (singular) covenant different for different times? No
It was the same for all mankind, God loves everyone the same and has given the same promise to us all. Salvation is the same for all.

Though this covenant was made with Adam and renewed to Abraham, it could not be ratified until the death of Christ. It had existed by the promise of God since redemption had been given; it had been accepted by faith; yet when ratified by Christ, it is called a new covenant.

Another compact—called in Scripture the “old” covenant—was formed between God and Israel at Sinai, and was then ratified by the blood of a sacrifice. The Abrahamic covenant was ratified by the blood of Christ, and it is called the “second,” or “new,” covenant, because the blood by which it was sealed was shed after the blood of the first covenant. It is evident that the new covenant was valid in the days of Abraham from the fact that it was then confirmed both by the promise and by the oath of God—the “two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie.” Hebrews 6:18.

But if the Abrahamic covenant contained the promise of redemption, why was another covenant formed at Sinai? In their bondage the people had to a great extent lost the knowledge of God and of the principles of the Abrahamic covenant. In delivering them from Egypt, God sought to reveal to them His power and His mercy, that they might be led to love and trust Him.

But there was a still greater truth to be impressed upon their minds. Living in the midst of idolatry and corruption, they had no true conception of the holiness of God, of the exceeding sinfulness of their own hearts, their utter inability, in themselves, to render obedience to God's law, and their need of a Saviour. All this they must be taught.

The people did not realize the sinfulness of their own hearts, and that without Christ it was impossible for them to keep God's law; and they readily entered into covenant with God. Feeling that they were able to establish their own righteousness, they declared, “All that the Lord hath said will we do, and be obedient.” Exodus 24:7. They had witnessed the proclamation of the law in awful majesty, and had trembled with terror before the mount; and yet only a few weeks passed before they broke their covenant with God, and bowed down to worship a graven image. They could not hope for the favor of God through a covenant which they had broken; and now, seeing their sinfulness and their need of pardon, they were brought to feel their need of the Saviour revealed in the Abrahamic covenant and shadowed forth in the sacrificial offerings. Now by faith and love they were bound to God as their deliverer from the bondage of sin. Now they were prepared to appreciate the blessings of the new covenant.

The terms of the “old covenant” were, Obey and live: “If a man do, he shall even live in them” (Ezekiel 20:11; Leviticus 18:5); but “cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them.” Deuteronomy 27:26. The “new covenant” was established upon “better promises”—the promise of forgiveness of sins and of the grace of God to renew the heart and bring it into harmony with the principles of God's law. “This shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts.... I will forgive their iniquity, and will remember their sin no more.” Jeremiah 31:33, 34.

The same law that was engraved upon the tables of stone is written by the Holy Spirit upon the tables of the heart. Instead of going about to establish our own righteousness we accept the righteousness of Christ. His blood atones for our sins. His obedience is accepted for us. Then the heart renewed by the Holy Spirit will bring forth “the fruits of the Spirit.” Through the grace of Christ we shall live in obedience to the law of God written upon our hearts. Having the Spirit of Christ, we shall walk even as He walked. Through the prophet He declared of Himself, “I delight to do Thy will, O My God: yea, Thy law is within My heart.” Psalm 40:8. And when among men He said, “The Father hath not left Me alone; for I do always those things that please Him.” John 8:29.


Concerning the law proclaimed from Sinai, Nehemiah says, “Thou camest down also upon Mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments.” Nehemiah 9:13. And Paul, “the apostle to the Gentiles,” declares, “The law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.” Romans 7:12. This can be no other than the Decalogue; for it is the law that says, “Thou shalt not covet.” Verse 7

While the Saviour's death brought to an end the law of types and shadows, it did not in the least detract from the obligation of the moral law. On the contrary, the very fact that it was necessary for Christ to die in order to atone for the transgression of that law, proves it to be immutable.

Hope this helps sorry it is so long...... 2 covenants are not old testament and new testament. It is when the blood was shed and the signing of the testaments or covenants, Christ signed the testament second so it is new but it was always there by promise.
 

Dino246

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You have the new and old covenant mixed up.

The covenant of grace was first made with man in Eden, when after the Fall there was given a divine promise that the seed of the woman should bruise the serpent's head. To all men this covenant offered pardon and the assisting grace of God for future obedience through faith in Christ. It also promised them eternal life on condition of fidelity to God's law. Thus the patriarchs received the hope of salvation.
This same covenant was renewed to Abraham in the promise, “In thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed.” Genesis 22:18. This promise pointed to Christ. So Abraham understood it (see Galatians 3:8, 16), and he trusted in Christ for the forgiveness of sins. It was this faith that was accounted unto him for righteousness. The covenant with Abraham also maintained the authority of God's law. The Lord appeared unto Abraham, and said, “I am the Almighty God; walk before Me, and be thou perfect.” Genesis 17:1. The testimony of God concerning His faithful servant was, “Abraham obeyed My voice, and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.” Genesis 26:5. And the Lord declared to him, “I will establish My covenant between Me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee and to thy seed after thee.” Genesis 17:7.

Was The (singular) covenant different for different times? No
It was the same for all mankind, God loves everyone the same and has given the same promise to us all. Salvation is the same for all.

Though this covenant was made with Adam and renewed to Abraham, it could not be ratified until the death of Christ. It had existed by the promise of God since redemption had been given; it had been accepted by faith; yet when ratified by Christ, it is called a new covenant.

Another compact—called in Scripture the “old” covenant—was formed between God and Israel at Sinai, and was then ratified by the blood of a sacrifice. The Abrahamic covenant was ratified by the blood of Christ, and it is called the “second,” or “new,” covenant, because the blood by which it was sealed was shed after the blood of the first covenant. It is evident that the new covenant was valid in the days of Abraham from the fact that it was then confirmed both by the promise and by the oath of God—the “two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie.” Hebrews 6:18.

But if the Abrahamic covenant contained the promise of redemption, why was another covenant formed at Sinai? In their bondage the people had to a great extent lost the knowledge of God and of the principles of the Abrahamic covenant. In delivering them from Egypt, God sought to reveal to them His power and His mercy, that they might be led to love and trust Him.

But there was a still greater truth to be impressed upon their minds. Living in the midst of idolatry and corruption, they had no true conception of the holiness of God, of the exceeding sinfulness of their own hearts, their utter inability, in themselves, to render obedience to God's law, and their need of a Saviour. All this they must be taught.

The people did not realize the sinfulness of their own hearts, and that without Christ it was impossible for them to keep God's law; and they readily entered into covenant with God. Feeling that they were able to establish their own righteousness, they declared, “All that the Lord hath said will we do, and be obedient.” Exodus 24:7. They had witnessed the proclamation of the law in awful majesty, and had trembled with terror before the mount; and yet only a few weeks passed before they broke their covenant with God, and bowed down to worship a graven image. They could not hope for the favor of God through a covenant which they had broken; and now, seeing their sinfulness and their need of pardon, they were brought to feel their need of the Saviour revealed in the Abrahamic covenant and shadowed forth in the sacrificial offerings. Now by faith and love they were bound to God as their deliverer from the bondage of sin. Now they were prepared to appreciate the blessings of the new covenant.

The terms of the “old covenant” were, Obey and live: “If a man do, he shall even live in them” (Ezekiel 20:11; Leviticus 18:5); but “cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them.” Deuteronomy 27:26. The “new covenant” was established upon “better promises”—the promise of forgiveness of sins and of the grace of God to renew the heart and bring it into harmony with the principles of God's law. “This shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts.... I will forgive their iniquity, and will remember their sin no more.” Jeremiah 31:33, 34.

The same law that was engraved upon the tables of stone is written by the Holy Spirit upon the tables of the heart. Instead of going about to establish our own righteousness we accept the righteousness of Christ. His blood atones for our sins. His obedience is accepted for us. Then the heart renewed by the Holy Spirit will bring forth “the fruits of the Spirit.” Through the grace of Christ we shall live in obedience to the law of God written upon our hearts. Having the Spirit of Christ, we shall walk even as He walked. Through the prophet He declared of Himself, “I delight to do Thy will, O My God: yea, Thy law is within My heart.” Psalm 40:8. And when among men He said, “The Father hath not left Me alone; for I do always those things that please Him.” John 8:29.


Concerning the law proclaimed from Sinai, Nehemiah says, “Thou camest down also upon Mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments.” Nehemiah 9:13. And Paul, “the apostle to the Gentiles,” declares, “The law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.” Romans 7:12. This can be no other than the Decalogue; for it is the law that says, “Thou shalt not covet.” Verse 7

While the Saviour's death brought to an end the law of types and shadows, it did not in the least detract from the obligation of the moral law. On the contrary, the very fact that it was necessary for Christ to die in order to atone for the transgression of that law, proves it to be immutable.

Hope this helps sorry it is so long...... 2 covenants are not old testament and new testament. It is when the blood was shed and the signing of the testaments or covenants, Christ signed the testament second so it is new but it was always there by promise.
I didn't say that the two covenants were old and new testaments. Unfortunately, I don't think you read my post anywhere near carefully enough. I also don't think you considered the context in which I wrote it.
 

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Creation is the key. there was no Jew or gentiles there was no sin and God made the day Holy for us to rest. should we keep it Holy today? It was a blessing for Adam and eve, and Israel and a blessing for Christ why should we ignore it?

For the same reason you choose to not murder, and not lie, or take the Lords name in vain you can keep the Sabbath Holy. Not to earn salvation but because you love God.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
 

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1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

1 Jn_3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mat 19:18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
Mat 19:22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
Mat 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Mat 19:25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
Mat 19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

By faith we believe in Justification and Sanctification.
If you teach that the law is not valid, how can Jesus write them on your heart?

Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Don't say 9 out of 10 are still valid, God does not work that way. He put laws outside the ark and 10 inside for a reason. He wrote 10 on stone not 9.

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
 

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so it was some 11-12 hours after sabbath had ended. the Hebrew day starts and ends at sundown, not midnight like us pagan Gentiles measure days by, and not at sunrise. God's days begin in darkness and complete in light.
true,
"While a day starts and ends at nightfall, the exact moment when night — and the next calendar date — begins is not clear.

The twilight period, from sunset ("shekiah") until three stars are visible in the sky ("tzeit hakochavim"), is an "iffy" time period, known as "bein hashmashot." Shabbat and all the holidays begin at sunset, the earliest possible definition of nightfall, and end when three stars appear in the sky the next evening, the latest definition of nightfall."
 

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GOD IS a SPIRIT and those who worship HIM MUST worship HIM In Spirit and TRUTH.
So then keeping the Sabbath should be done spiritually not physically.
A person might feel like today Is Saturday and I'm going to rest and they might lay down and toss and turn and worry about something, but TRUE rest would be laying down regardless of world stresses knowing that GOD IS Almighty and HE knows your every fault and still loves you and so you rest.
What is done in the heart and what is spiritual will be seen in the outward life.
If i rest with Jesus Spiritually and obey the 4th commandment spiritually, it will be seen outwardly. If i spiritually do not murder i will not physically murder. i agree that you can keep the laws outwardly and fail to keep then in the heart.
Not keeping the 4th commandment physically, shows that you are not keeping it spiritually.
 

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Thanks for asking this. I'm a fairly new Christian and have been so confused by this. I believe it's still a commandment for us, though I'm not sure what it means. I mean, can I purchase anything or do a laundry?
Being "fairly new Christian" or saved for many years one can still be confused. Heard a preacher to day talking about why some come to Christ. I think most would know the man but all the comments are shut off. The man is a great man of God yet still does not understand that the Father is the one that brings us to Christ. So Sabbath.. so many Churches that I know of have Church on Sunday. Some make it known that is not the Sabbath ;)

What all of us can be sure of is what Christ has started in you He will finish. Its the sweet holy Spirit that will lead and guide us into all truth. Praise GOD GLORY TO JESUS!
 
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Being "fairly new Christian" or saved for many years one can still be confused. Heard a preacher to day talking about why some come to Christ. I think most would know the man but all the comments are shut off. The man is a great man of God yet still does not understand that the Father is the one that brings us to Christ. So Sabbath.. so many Churches that I know of have Church on Sunday. Some make it known that is not the Sabbath ;)

What all of us can be sure of is what Christ has started in you He will finish. Its the sweet holy Spirit that will lead and guide us into all truth. Praise GOD GLORY TO JESUS!
True, Sabbath means Saturday. ;)
 

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Lord Jesus Jesus made it clear. The Sabbath is made for man, not man for the Sabbath. Also, the day of rest was intended for an agrarian society. Farmers are notoriously unwilling to take time off.

People are not machines and suffer if they do not get sufficient rest. It's the root cause of many health and mental problems in societies that demand too much of their workers. Since a great deal of work is no longer physically, a day of rest will look different nowadays. But it still should be entirely different from the day to day work an individual does.
Have I contradicted the Lord? Perhaps in your eyes. Have you learned all Jesus-Yeshua teached regarding the law or do you just learn from others?
 

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True, Sabbath means Saturday. ;)
The word "Shabbat" derives from the Hebrew verb shavat (Hebrew: שָׁבַת). Although frequently translated as "rest" (noun or verb), another accurate translation of these words is "ceasing [from work]." Christians enter this rest by grace through faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ for the remission of our sins... because salvation is not attained by or through works.
 
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Creation is the key. there was no Jew or gentiles there was no sin and God made the day Holy for us to rest. should we keep it Holy today? It was a blessing for Adam and eve, and Israel and a blessing for Christ why should we ignore it?

For the same reason you choose to not murder, and not lie, or take the Lords name in vain you can keep the Sabbath Holy. Not to earn salvation but because you love God.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Was John talking about the Ten Commandments or the two commandment?If a person keeps the sabbath holy but they break one of the other Ten Commandments do they still love GOD?I mean John wrote If you love me keep my commandment.
 
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What is done in the heart and what is spiritual will be seen in the outward life.
If i rest with Jesus Spiritually and obey the 4th commandment spiritually, it will be seen outwardly. If i spiritually do not murder i will not physically murder. i agree that you can keep the laws outwardly and fail to keep then in the heart.
Not keeping the 4th commandment physically, shows that you are not keeping it spiritually.
Why put a physical burden on yourself?Can a person rest physically on the sabbath and still not rest spiritually?Only GOD knows.:)