No MAN has SEEN God at ANY time

[AnandaHya]

I believe that through God's grace anyone can be saved based on the repetance and remission of sin in the belief Jesus stated:

LUKE 24
44 Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.” 45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.
46 Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise[h] from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And you are witnesses of these things.

what are all things? that the LORD GOD become flesh and dwell among us. Christ is God made flesh. God opens people's understanding of Scripture. no preaching or reading of words will do it. I believe if God truly has a hold on a person then HE will reveal this Truth to them.

how can you worship Jesus if He is not God and still say that you worship GOD with all your heart soul and mind? why worship Jesus at all if He is not GOD?

I can't understand your reasoning for why you continue to teach your gospel message that Jesus is not God but just the image of God. well they say MAN was created in God's image, what is the difference? the hiearchy of Heaven you set up makes it easy for Satan to claim brotherhood with Christ.

that is why I reject it.

Are you saved because of your beliefs? how would I know I am not God I do not judge people's souls. I judge their fruit and their words and what their words and beliefs cause to happen in the world.

the denial of the words that say IN HEAVEN: the Father, the Word and the Spirit are ONE, causes confusion and allows lies and deceptions to enter in a person's heart and mind.

God judges people's hearts not just their words. We are not God but He has told us that people's words will reveal what is in their heart.

if with their lips they proclaim doctrines of devils, then we are to consider them accursed.

LBG, what is the focus of the Gospel message?

if you get stuck in words and a false victim complex, how will you grow?

we are to be perfect as God is perfect, which can only happen through the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

What I don't understand is if you think you are right that teaching Jesus is God is wrong and the church should teach that Jesus is ONLY the SON of God. why do you not tell pastors this? why do you seek their approval? why do you feel like you need to defend the idea? what would you have the churchs teach instead?

I said earlier that my pastor said that belief that Jesus is the Son of God is enough to save. He explained that some people can only understand that much, their minds can't comprehend the rest that Jesus is GOD. they are in the early stage of their Christian walk and God will eventually lead them to the truth. That is the belief most pastors you talk to will hold. they will not say you are not saved, but they will pray that God will reveal to you and open your eyes to the scriptures placed before you.

I'm not a pastor, I am still learning patience and I believe in tough love more than coddling of people because people out of tolerance and love allowed me to wander down spiritual paths I would have prefered someone stopped me from treading. I've attended a church that teaches as you do and allowed practicing Buddhist and Hindus to take the Lord's communion. My earthly eyes and mind saw nothing wrong with that until God showed me that it was a lie and an abomination to HIM.

Your insistance that Jesus is NOT God is the same. I have heard the same arguements you and Devolutions make from the lips of one I prayed and hoped my whole heart would stay with Jesus and not wander off paths towards other things, but his faith that Jesus was son of God and savior of the world did not prevent him from straying.

I learned the hard way that words are not enough to reveal the heart of a person. Only God can call and change the hearts of men. nothing I can say will change that unless the Holy Spirit gives my words His power to touch the hearts and minds of those who read them. for it is not through our power we speak and pray for people but through the power of the Holy Spirit which is placed in the hearts of all True Believers of GOD.

Therefore we pray:

Our Father who are in Heaven,
Hollowed be thy name
thy Kingdom come, thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven
Give us today our daily bread, Forgive us our tresspass as we forgive those who tresspass against us
Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil
For thine is the power and the glory,

Forever and ever, AMEN.

 

[Red33]

yes God is always pleasant and polite when He tells people they are going to Hell. Lets just look at the Bible and see:

Matthew 15
7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:
8 ‘ These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And[e]honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’”[f]

10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”
12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”
13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”

I believing that telling people Jesus is NOT God a false witness. However you want to cut it, that belief allows the door to be open to worshipping False angels and manifestations claiming to be Jesus.

AnandaHya,

You are not obligated to give an answer to anyone who is divisive and tries to get you to doubt the faith that God has given you through His word. Let them go off and do according to what is in their heart and follow their own understanding, they have their reward. But you go and continue in the grace of God and in the most holy faith that has edified and built you up. That is the faith of the Son of God and our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, who came as God in the flesh and took our sins upon His body and was judged in our place through death.

He is the Lord and the one and true God that came as the Lamb of God to take away the sins of the world. He is the Word that was with God and was God and was made flesh and came to dwell among man. He is the one that ascended and sitteth at the right hand of the throne of God. He is the one that created all things and without Him there was nothing made or created because He is before all things and by Him all things consist. To look at Jesus Christ through the eyes of faith is to look upon the one and only wise God our Saviour (Jude 25). Those that believe otherwise do not have the same Spirit of faith or the wisdom of God and do not know our Lord Jesus Christ. But do as you see fit.

 

[AnandaHya]

AnandaHya,

You are not obligated to give an answer to anyone who is divisive and tries to get you to doubt the faith that God has given you through His word. Let them go off and do according to what is in their heart and follow their own understanding, they have their reward.

Yeah just have a hard time turning my back on people and while watching them walk away with that deceptive Angel of Light.

Real Angel Picture: Christ Apparition Or Angel Picture

 

[livingbygrace]

I believe that through God's grace anyone can be saved based on the repetance and remission of sin in the belief Jesus stated:

LUKE 24
44 Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.” 45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.
46 Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise[h] from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And you are witnesses of these things.

what are all things? that the LORD GOD become flesh and dwell among us. Christ is God made flesh. God opens people's understanding of Scripture. no preaching or reading of words will do it. I believe if God truly has a hold on a person then HE will reveal this Truth to them.

how can you worship Jesus if He is not God and still say that you worship GOD with all your heart soul and mind? why worship Jesus at all if He is not GOD?

I can't understand your reasoning for why you continue to teach your gospel message that Jesus is not God but just the image of God. well they say MAN was created in God's image, what is the difference? the hiearchy of Heaven you set up makes it easy for Satan to claim brotherhood with Christ.

that is why I reject it.

Are you saved because of your beliefs? how would I know I am not God I do not judge people's souls. I judge their fruit and their words and what their words and beliefs cause to happen in the world.

the denial of the words that say IN HEAVEN: the Father, the Word and the Spirit are ONE, causes confusion and allows lies and deceptions to enter in a person's heart and mind.

God judges people's hearts not just their words. We are not God but He has told us that people's words will reveal what is in their heart.

if with their lips they proclaim doctrines of devils, then we are to consider them accursed.

LBG, what is the focus of the Gospel message?

if you get stuck in words and a false victim complex, how will you grow?

we are to be perfect as God is perfect, which can only happen through the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

What I don't understand is if you think you are right that teaching Jesus is God is wrong and the church should teach that Jesus is ONLY the SON of God. why do you not tell pastors this? why do you seek their approval? why do you feel like you need to defend the idea? what would you have the churchs teach instead?

I said earlier that my pastor said that belief that Jesus is the Son of God is enough to save. He explained that some people can only understand that much, their minds can't comprehend the rest that Jesus is GOD. they are in the early stage of their Christian walk and God will eventually lead them to the truth. That is the belief most pastors you talk to will hold. they will not say you are not saved, but they will pray that God will reveal to you and open your eyes to the scriptures placed before you.

I'm not a pastor, I am still learning patience and I believe in tough love more than coddling of people because people out of tolerance and love allowed me to wander down spiritual paths I would have prefered someone stopped me from treading. I've attended a church that teaches as you do and allowed practicing Buddhist and Hindus to take the Lord's communion. My earthly eyes and mind saw nothing wrong with that until God showed me that it was a lie and an abomination to HIM.

Your insistance that Jesus is NOT God is the same. I have heard the same arguements you and Devolutions make from the lips of one I prayed and hoped my whole heart would stay with Jesus and not wander off paths towards other things, but his faith that Jesus was son of God and savior of the world did not prevent him from straying.

I learned the hard way that words are not enough to reveal the heart of a person. Only God can call and change the hearts of men. nothing I can say will change that unless the Holy Spirit gives my words His power to touch the hearts and minds of those who read them. for it is not through our power we speak and pray for people but through the power of the Holy Spirit which is placed in the hearts of all True Believers of GOD.

Therefore we pray:

Our Father who are in Heaven,
Hollowed be thy name
thy Kingdom come, thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven
Give us today our daily bread, Forgive us our tresspass as we forgive those who tresspass against us
Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil
For thine is the power and the glory,

Forever and ever, AMEN.

I only asked a simple question Anandya

I hoped you would be able to give a straightforward answer, only I notice you have been forthright in your comments concerning people who do not answer your questions

So I will try one last time

In your opinion(I am sure you must have one) if a person simply believes Christ is the son of God but not God Himself is that belief enough to give them eternal life? Yes or no

And let me clarify throughout their Christian life they only believe Chjrist is the son of God, not God Himself. Is that belief enough upon the person of who Christ is to gain eternal life?

If you do not know the answer to this question in your own heart please just say so

And do you believe Jesus is God the Father?

 

[AnandaHya]

I only asked a simple question Anandya

I hoped you would be able to give a straightforward answer, only I notice you have been forthright in your comments concerning people who do not answer your questions

So I will try one last time

In your opinion(I am sure you must have one) if a person simply believes Christ is the son of God but not God Himself is that belief enough to give them eternal life? Yes or no
Or do you not know the answer to that question

And do you believe Jesus is God the Father?

No that belief is not enough. Jesus says you must have repentance of sins before remission.you must be born again through baptism of fire and water. Acceptance of the Holy Spirit and a new heart placed inside of you through God's grace to be truly saved. For even the demons proclaimed that Jesus was the son of God and they were still casted into Hell.

I believe that Jesus is God. I have not meet "the Father" for I am still alive so I don't know the answer to that one. Neither do I know what YOU mean when you say "God the Father"

All I know is Jesus is my Lord and Savior, my God. The Creator of Heaven and Earth. The Alpha and the Omega.

is that simple and straight forward enough?

 

[demian]

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Philippians2:6
who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,

the Greek is quite interesting, for those of you that know the difference between the word schema and morphe, the term form there is morphe.
The next few verses mention that he took the "schema" of man.

Check in an Greek interlinear Bible if you haven't studied the Greek Bible.
I heard E-sword has a Bible (KJV+) that comes with a Greek dictionary

 

[livingbygrace]

No that belief is not enough. Jesus says you must have repentance of sins before remission.you must be born again through baptism of fire and water. Acceptance of the Holy Spirit and a new heart placed inside of you through God's grace to be truly saved. For even the demons proclaimed that Jesus was the son of God and they were still casted into Hell.

I believe that Jesus is God. I have not meet "the Father" for I am still alive so I don't know the answer to that one. Neither do I know what YOU mean when you say "God the Father"

All I know is Jesus is my Lord and Savior, my God. The Creator of Heaven and Earth. The Alpha and the Omega.

is that simple and straight forward enough?

You have completely avoided the question as I am sure all will note. At least Red and Zone give forthright answers even if I disagree with them.

And I take it you do not know if Jesus is God the Father or not. I think some may have raised eyebrows at that answer

Let me see if I can make it any clearer.

In regard to how a person must see or view Christ. If they believe the whole of their Christian life Jesus is the son of God but not God Himself do you believe on that basis of how they see Christ they can have eternal life?

I am sure that question is very plain to all who are reading it

 

[AnandaHya]

I only asked a simple question Anandya

I hoped you would be able to give a straightforward answer, only I notice you have been forthright in your comments concerning people who do not answer your questions

So I will try one last time

1. In your opinion(I am sure you must have one) if a person simply believes Christ is the son of God but not God Himself is that belief enough to give them eternal life? Yes or no

And let me clarify throughout their Christian life they only believe Chjrist is the son of God, not God Himself. Is that belief enough upon the person of who Christ is to gain eternal life?

If you do not know the answer to this question in your own heart please just say so

2. And do you believe Jesus is God the Father?

1. NO, reasons given in previous post. (people can claim to be Christain but if they do not have a new heart and are lead by the Holy Spirit they are lying to themselves)

2. I stand on what Scripture tells me:
Which is Jesus is the WORD and in Heaven THREE are ONE: the FATHER, THE WORD and the SPIRIT.

I do not have the words to tell you what that means and doubt you would believe me if I was given them by the Holy Spirit. why don't you pray and ask God?

I have faith that Jesus is God. that is answer enough.

you are completely ignoring the answer given to you because you want to force me into the sin of judging a person's salvation.

 

[zone]

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Philippians2:6
who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,

the Greek is quite interesting, for those of you that know the difference between the word schema and morphe, the term form there is morphe.
The next few verses mention that he took the "schema" of man.

Check in an Greek interlinear Bible if you haven't studied the Greek Bible.
I heard E-sword has a Bible (KJV+) that comes with a Greek dictionary

very very cool

i hadn't seen that before.
thank you!

*adds to storehouse*

 

[livingbygrace]

1. NO, reasons given in previous post. (people can claim to be Christain but if they do not have a new heart and are lead by the Holy Spirit they are lying to themselves)

2. I stand on what Scripture tells me:
Which is Jesus is the WORD and in Heaven THREE are ONE: the FATHER, THE WORD and the SPIRIT.

I do not have the words to tell you what that means and doubt you would believe me if I was given them by the Holy Spirit. why don't you pray and ask God?

I have faith that Jesus is God. that is answer enough.

you are completely ignoring the answer given to you because you want to force me into the sin of judging a person's salvation.

Anandya you do not have the courage to give a straightforward answer, and you try and convince people that your comments are driven by love and concern for others when you accuse them of hypocrisy, trying to bribe God, being Phariseeical and much else besides.

I wonder who is being false and a hypocrite here

And yet you continually state Bible verses as to how we must act as Christians

There seems to be a common trait running through the people who like to condemn others, though some believe if they appear to do it in a saintly way that is alright

What folly

And I do not think you should mock and deride others as you certainly have done who have not answered some of your questions, because you are as guilty as they in this area

 

[AnandaHya]

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Philippians2:6
who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,

the Greek is quite interesting, for those of you that know the difference between the word schema and morphe, the term form there is morphe.
The next few verses mention that he took the "schema" of man.

Check in an Greek interlinear Bible if you haven't studied the Greek Bible.
I heard E-sword has a Bible (KJV+) that comes with a Greek dictionary

The word schema comes from the Greek word "σχήμα" (skhēma), which means shape, or more generally, plan. The plural is "σχήματα" (skhēmata). In English, both schemas and schemata are used as plural forms.

Morphe

1. the form by which a person or thing strikes the vision
2. external appearance

 

[zone]

Anandya you do not have the courage to give a straightforward answer, and you try and convince people that your comments are driven by love and concern for others when you accuse them of hypocrisy, trying to bribe God, being Phariseeical and much else besides.

I wonder who is being false and a hypocrite here

And yet you continually state Bible verses as to how we must act as Christians

There seems to be a common trait running through the people who like to condemn others, though some believe if they appear to do it in a saintly way that is alright

What folly

And I do not think you should mock and deride others as you certainly have done who have not answered some of your questions, because you are as guilty as they in this area

ananda:
for what its worth (perhaps nothing), i've seen tons of growth and lots of honesty coming from you.
obviously lots of hard work too.

stay with it.
zone.

 

[WeStand]

No that belief is not enough. Jesus says you must have repentance of sins before remission.you must be born again through baptism of fire and water. Acceptance of the Holy Spirit and a new heart placed inside of you through God's grace to be truly saved. For even the demons proclaimed that Jesus was the son of God and they were still casted into Hell.

I believe that Jesus is God. I have not meet "the Father" for I am still alive so I don't know the answer to that one. Neither do I know what YOU mean when you say "God the Father"

All I know is Jesus is my Lord and Savior, my God. The Creator of Heaven and Earth. The Alpha and the Omega.

is that simple and straight forward enough?

Hi AnandaHya; we are ALL in the same boat; no flesh man has ever met the Father; but because that is true, its only truth to a point; We certainly can know of His Will, as it was affirmed and confirmed in and through Christ, NO Doubt.

But Christ had been prophesyed of, all down through the O.T. and came to Comfirm that the Covenant made in Love, before the Law ever exsisted, Will stand Forever.

This Covenant of Love is established through the families of Abraham(faith) Issiac (laughter) and Jacob, (heelgrabber/surplanter) (Israel) .

When you begin to know of Our Father, then you will realize that it is Impossible to contain the Overwhelming powerful Force of Love (physically) into a human trash body; His Will and His Word are a different story, this to me with commen-sense, seems very possible.

Our Father Love is Highly inteligent and Highly emotional, more so than even than us, as we are only a part of Him.

I think it hurts Him very Much, when ALL are prayers are sent to Jesus, as Christ is available to anyone, 24/7/365; the Father however would like to hear from US ALL as well; only there are instructions from Christ, in how to go about doing this.

Christ IS the one and ONLY, Mediator to Our Father whom art in Heaven, Heaven being wherever Our Father IS, and this Earth, will be Heaven AGAIN one day; as Our Father does not lie; and He said, that I created the Earth to be inhabited Forever.

The reason i think that He says, a New Heaven and Earth, is that its not only going to be restored,but wouldn't this be an excellent opportunity to remodel as well; as we have accumulated much more materials and education, than we had, when He built it the first time, with His children; and hey theres lots mor children now as well.

Anyways He's Awesome to say the least, as He is a grower & multiplier of ALL things that are good and last forever, you should prepare yourself, and go into the Holy of Holies and spend some time with Him, in and through Christs instructions.

After all this is what Christ gave His Life on the cross for; so we can ALL have this privalage, being the sinners that we ALL are.

Forever in Christ

 

[unclefester]

You have completely avoided the question as I am sure all will note. At least Red and Zone give forthright answers even if I disagree with them.

And I take it you do not know if Jesus is God the Father or not. I think some may have raised eyebrows at that answer

Let me see if I can make it any clearer.

In regard to how a person must see or view Christ. If they believe the whole of their Christian life Jesus is the son of God but not God Himself do you believe on that basis of how they see Christ they can have eternal life?

I am sure that question is very plain to all who are reading it

Answer your own question.....and live with your own interpretation.

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, BELIEVED ON in the world, RECEIVED UP into glory."
--1 Timothy 3:16


"But unto the SON he saith, 'Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom'...And, 'Thou, LORD, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands.'"
-- Hebrews 1:8, 10

"I and my Father are ONE."

--Jesus Christ, John 10:30

"...CHRIST JESUS...being in the FORM OF GOD, thought it not robbery to be EQUAL WITH GOD: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."

--Philippians 2:5-8

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the FATHER, THE WORD, AND THE HOLY GHOST: and THESE THREE ARE ONE."

--1 John 5:7

"... feed the church of GOD, which he hath purchased with his OWN BLOOD."

--Acts 20:28

"Hereby perceive we the love of GOD, because He LAID DOWN HIS LIFE for us...

--1 John 3:16

"And they stoned Stephen, calling upon GOD, and saying, LORD JESUS, receive my spirit."

--Acts 7:59

"For unto us A CHILD IS BORN, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace."

--Isaiah 9:6

"And Thomas answered and said unto him [JESUS], My Lord and MY GOD."

--John 20:28

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

--John 1:1-4, 14

"Philip saith unto him, 'Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.' Jesus saith unto him, 'Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me Philip? HE THAT HATH SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then, 'Shew us the Father?''"

-- John 14:8-9

"...CHRIST, who is the IMAGE OF GOD..."

--II Corinthians 4:4

"...glory of GOD in the FACE OF JESUS CHRIST."

--II Corinthians 4:6

"GOD...hath in these last days spoken unto us by his SON...who being the brightness of his glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON..."

--Hebrews 1:1-3

Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
1:15 WHO IS THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD, the firstborn* of every creature:
1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

*firstborn: pre-eminence in rank as opposed to priority in time. This can be shown in passages where the term 'firstborn' is used of the pre-eminent son who was not the eldest, e.g. Psalm 89:27, where David is called 'firstborn' although he was actually the youngest son.

"For in [Jesus] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."

-- Colossians 2:9

"...they shall call his name EMMANUEL, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US."

--Matthew 1:23


"The voice of him [John the Baptist] that crieth in the wilderness, PREPARE ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway FOR OUR GOD."

-- Isaiah 40:3

THESE PEOPLE DID NOT UNDERSTAND THAT JESUS IS GOD AND THOUGHT HE BLASPHEMED WHEN HE TOLD THE TRUTH.
"The Jews answered [Jesus], saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."

-- John 10:33

 

[livingbygrace]

Answer your own question.....and live with your own interpretation.

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, BELIEVED ON in the world, RECEIVED UP into glory."
--1 Timothy 3:16


"But unto the SON he saith, 'Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom'...And, 'Thou, LORD, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands.'"
-- Hebrews 1:8, 10

"I and my Father are ONE."

--Jesus Christ, John 10:30

"...CHRIST JESUS...being in the FORM OF GOD, thought it not robbery to be EQUAL WITH GOD: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."

--Philippians 2:5-8

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the FATHER, THE WORD, AND THE HOLY GHOST: and THESE THREE ARE ONE."

--1 John 5:7

"... feed the church of GOD, which he hath purchased with his OWN BLOOD."

--Acts 20:28

"Hereby perceive we the love of GOD, because He LAID DOWN HIS LIFE for us...

--1 John 3:16

"And they stoned Stephen, calling upon GOD, and saying, LORD JESUS, receive my spirit."

--Acts 7:59

"For unto us A CHILD IS BORN, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace."

--Isaiah 9:6

"And Thomas answered and said unto him [JESUS], My Lord and MY GOD."

--John 20:28

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

--John 1:1-4, 14

"Philip saith unto him, 'Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.' Jesus saith unto him, 'Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me Philip? HE THAT HATH SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then, 'Shew us the Father?''"

-- John 14:8-9

"...CHRIST, who is the IMAGE OF GOD..."

--II Corinthians 4:4

"...glory of GOD in the FACE OF JESUS CHRIST."

--II Corinthians 4:6

"GOD...hath in these last days spoken unto us by his SON...who being the brightness of his glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON..."

--Hebrews 1:1-3

Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
1:15 WHO IS THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD, the firstborn* of every creature:
1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

*firstborn: pre-eminence in rank as opposed to priority in time. This can be shown in passages where the term 'firstborn' is used of the pre-eminent son who was not the eldest, e.g. Psalm 89:27, where David is called 'firstborn' although he was actually the youngest son.

"For in [Jesus] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."

-- Colossians 2:9

"...they shall call his name EMMANUEL, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US."

--Matthew 1:23


"The voice of him [John the Baptist] that crieth in the wilderness, PREPARE ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway FOR OUR GOD."

-- Isaiah 40:3

THESE PEOPLE DID NOT UNDERSTAND THAT JESUS IS GOD AND THOUGHT HE BLASPHEMED WHEN HE TOLD THE TRUTH.
"The Jews answered [Jesus], saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."

-- John 10:33

I won't bother to go thorugh it all, I think the last quote can sum up much

verses 34

Jesus answered them
'Is it not written in your law. I have said ye are gods? If he called them gods to whom the word of God came-and the scriptrures cannot be broken[-what about the one the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world.
Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said I am God's son

I guess if you were really honest you are kinda in a difficult position here aren't you?

I am sure you believe that if a person does not believe Christ is God Himself they can have no eternal life, however that belief is certainly not in the Bible

Jesus never commanded anyone to believe he was God Himself

Jesus never once said eternal life depended on a person believing he was the one true God

He plainly and continuously stated that a person must believe he was the son of God to have eternal life

No NT writer said a person must believe Christ is God Himself to have eternal life

Nor did any of them state the plain words

Christ is God Himself

So the belief of your heart(and others) is not a Biblical one. It is the demands of man and his thinking that is being made on the Christian

So if you are right. We have as the central plank of the Christian faith something that is hinted at in the NT(that is if you were right) and the plainest of stat,ments on this subject would have to be ignored and put to one side

And you and others wonder why I see no usefulness in studying up on theologians and scholars?

In your hearts you do not accept the requirement Christ set down for a person to have eternal life, you add to it

Such is the result of the thinking of the natural mind and following after man and his wisdom, rather than the spirit filled Bible

 

[zone]

Our Father Love is Highly inteligent and Highly emotional, more so than even than us, as we are only a part of Him.

I think it hurts Him very Much, when ALL are prayers are sent to Jesus, as Christ is available to anyone, 24/7/365; the Father however would like to hear from US ALL as well;

huh?
The Father's feelings are hurt when people pray to Jesus?

 

[zone]

THESE PEOPLE DID NOT UNDERSTAND THAT JESUS IS GOD AND THOUGHT HE BLASPHEMED WHEN HE TOLD THE TRUTH.

"The Jews answered [Jesus], saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."

-- John 10:33

 

[livingbygrace]

THESE PEOPLE DID NOT UNDERSTAND THAT JESUS IS GOD AND THOUGHT HE BLASPHEMED WHEN HE TOLD THE TRUTH.
"The Jews answered [Jesus], saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."

-- John 10:33

Maybe you do not understand what they did not understand

The Lord said to me
'What they say is good. I will raise up for them a prophet just like you from among their brothers
I will put my words in his mouth and he will tell them everything I command him
If anyone does not listen to the words that the prophet speaks IN MY NAME, I myself will call him to account
Deut 18:17-19

 

[WeStand]

huh?
The Father's feelings are hurt when people pray to Jesus?

Zone, i have no idea what your problem is, in being incapable of comprehending what you read don't even want to know.

But you could do me a huge favour; comment all you like against what i have to share; but PLEASE never as me a question. Thanks.

Forever in Christ

 

[Red33]

huh?
The Father's feelings are hurt when people pray to Jesus?

This is what happens when believers separate the Father from the Son, they come up with some strange ideas and concepts that have nothing to do with our relationship with God. This is why we have the Word and the Spirit to keep us straight and guided in the right direction, with the right thought life and imaginations so that we can think with God and so that Christ can be formed in us. Whether we pray to the Father or the Son, they are one and they are listening as the Godhead. They are sitting on the same throne and have the same heart and differ in absolutely nothing. If the Son is rejected the Father has also been rejected. If the Son is believed upon then the Father is also because He sent His Son. If the Father is in the Son and the Son is in the Father, what can the Son hear that the Father does not and what can the Father hear that the Son can not? They are one God who is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent and who created all things and the Holy Spirit, through the word, reveals these truths to our heart.