No MAN has SEEN God at ANY time

WeStand · May 31, 2011

Thank-you so much LBG; i testify from my studies, that these simple words are the beautiful truth that all are seeking; why some seem unable to grasp there simplicity; these Words WILL stand Forever

Forever in Christ

WeStand · May 31, 2011

livingbygrace said:

Again LBG thank-you VERY MUCH; May God Bless you HUGE spiritual shoulders

Forever in Christ

WeStand · May 31, 2011

Shwagga said:

I noticed there many pages of comments, questions, etc. So I did not read through all of your posts or all of the posts on the entirety of the thread. So if you were asked these questions and would like to direct me to the post number which you addressed this I would appreciate that.

I am going to try to make a case that what you are doing is actually building the foundation FOR the Trinity (good job!) even though what you are doing is trying to ask "gotcha" questions. Sorry, it doesn't work like that. So I would like to quote these same scriptures back at you with a few more passages you may have overlooked and possibly, time permitting, you will be able to reply back. Okay..

You quoted from Exodus 33 and John 1:18, both texts which I will also refer to. You have a multitude of passages in the Old Testament (tanakh) which clearly state God can be seen and has been seen. The first text I will draw from is Genesis 32.

Genesis 32:31 (verse 30 in English-Christian translations)
יִּקְרָ֧א יַעֲקֹ֛ב שֵׁ֥ם הַמָּקֹ֖ום פְּנִיאֵ֑ל כִּֽי־רָאִ֤יתִי אֱלֹהִים֙ פָּנִ֣ים אֶל־פָּנִ֔ים וַתִּנָּצֵ֖ל נַפְשִֽׁי

"And Jacob called the name of the place peniel (face of God), for I have seen God face to face and my life (lit. soul) is preserved.

So, this is one of the clearest passages where Jacob has seen God. First it says it's a man, then it says it's God, and then it says it's an angel. Well, Jacob clearly believed he saw God. He named the place "peniel" which means face of God. Um, does that mean he saw God's face? He goes on to say why he says this by saying "ki ra'iti elohim panim el-panim", for I have seen God face to face (panim el-panim). Are we to believe this? Does this fit into our theology? Can we "allow the scriptures to speak" ?

Isaiah and Amos had similar encounters with God. Read the accounts in Isaiah 6 and Amos 9. They both say the same phrase "ראיתי את-אדני", ra'iti 'et 'adonai, I have seen my Lord. Trust me, Isaiah and Amos both knew the Torah, they knew Exodus 33 where it says "לֹֽא־ יִרְאַ֥נִי הָאָדָ֖ם וָחָֽי" lo yir'ani ha'adam vachai, no human can see me and live. So, Isaiah was ready to die! Isaiah continues on in chapter 6 verse 5 and says "אוי לי" oy li! Woe is me! He was prepared to die! But what happened? Neither Isaiah, Amos, Jacob, Moses, Ezekiel, (the list goes ) have died when they saw God.

John 1:18 makes it very explicit no man has ever seen the Father except the Son. So, what does this mean? How are we to understand these passages where God was clearly seen? Well, in light of a host of passages in the NT which declare the deity of ישוע܇/Yeshua/Jesus as the Son of God, who is God incarnate. We can understand all of these mysteries and more! Colossians 1:15 "He [The Son] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation." Amazing! So, yes it's true no one has seen God, the Father! But, they saw the Son. Anytime God was visible in the Old Testament or in the Person of Jesus, it was the Son of God!

That is the only thing that makes sense to me or we are stuck with the question, how can God be seen and yet unseen at the same time? Visible and yet invisible? Are only some passages in the Bible true? Or are they all true like 2nd Timothy 3:16 says "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God...." Consider why Paul and Peter both say " looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ" and "...by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ: " (ref. Titus 2:13, 2 Peter 1:1.. How could they call Jesus our great God and Savior? (Isaiah 9:6 (9:5 in Hebrew/Jewish-English translations) says the child will be called "אל גבור /el gibor" - Mighty God. Psalm 45.. Etc, etc.. Think of how Thomas could say in John 20:28 "...my Lord and my God!" and instead of being rebuked Jesus blesses him and says "blessed are you..." Please consider this....

This is something that takes a while to understand and to fathom, but once you get it you really "get it!" it makes sense and it will bring a host of passages to light for you.

Psalm 119:18
גַּל־עֵינַ֥י וְאַבִּ֑יטָה נִ֝פְלָאֹ֗ות מִתֹּורָתֶֽךָ
gal-'einai v'abitah nifla'ot mitoratekha
Open my eyes that I may see terrific wonders from your torah [law, instructions]

Amen, let that prayer be true for all of us.

Blessings.

Though this is true attempting to try to understand Our Father, it falls Waaaay short of the Trurh of Gods Word.

This person needs to pray and get discernment between THE LORD, YAH, and The Angel (messenger)of the Lord; Melchezideck etc...

Forever in Christ

zone · May 31, 2011

WeStand said:

WeStand:
Shwagga understands.
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A.M. teaches Sabellianism.

WeStand · Jun 1, 2011

zone said:

Wrong Zone and neither do you.

WeStand · Jun 1, 2011

livingbygrace said:

Will never understand why anyone needs a short story, in order to attempt to dispute these SIMPLE words of TRUTH.

Forever in Christ

Devolution · Jun 1, 2011

Shwagga said:

I noticed there many pages of comments, questions, etc. So I did not read through all of your posts or all of the posts on the entirety of the thread. So if you were asked these questions and would like to direct me to the post number which you addressed this I would appreciate that.

I am going to try to make a case that what you are doing is actually building the foundation FOR the Trinity (good job!) even though what you are doing is trying to ask "gotcha" questions. Sorry, it doesn't work like that. So I would like to quote these same scriptures back at you with a few more passages you may have overlooked and possibly, time permitting, you will be able to reply back. Okay..

You quoted from Exodus 33 and John 1:18, both texts which I will also refer to. You have a multitude of passages in the Old Testament (tanakh) which clearly state God can be seen and has been seen. The first text I will draw from is Genesis 32.

Genesis 32:31 (verse 30 in English-Christian translations)
יִּקְרָ֧א יַעֲקֹ֛ב שֵׁ֥ם הַמָּקֹ֖ום פְּנִיאֵ֑ל כִּֽי־רָאִ֤יתִי אֱלֹהִים֙ פָּנִ֣ים אֶל־פָּנִ֔ים וַתִּנָּצֵ֖ל נַפְשִֽׁי

Yes Jacob saw God face to face. But what does that mean?
Exodus has the answer.
Exodus 33:11> And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend.
But did Moses SEE His Face?
Exodus 33:21> And He said, Thou can not see My face, for there shall no man see Me and live.
So did Moses SEE His face after all? No He didin't. But they did speak face to face.
If we spoke face to face, even if one of us had our face covered, it is still face to face. For we are there standing before each other. But we would have to say later on, that we never saw the actual facial features...that is, the face. We read on in Exodus, and this happens. God lets Moses see His form from behind. And lets us know that Moses never actually saw His face.
Isaiah tells how he saw God face to face. But look at Isaiah 6:2. Gods face was covered by the Seraphims wings. He didn't actually see His face. So face to face is not what it seems even here. We see a theme appearing. Face to face doesn't mean what we might think..
They still saw God, yes, just as they said, but not His face. Just face to face. Different meaning all together.

We agree on this.

As above. God WAS seen face to face, but no one ever SAW His face. Now the meaning should be clear from Moses and Isaiah and Jacob etc.

Not God "incarnate", but His Word was manifest inside of Jesus. Word of God does not always mean Jesus. God has His Word within Him, and Jesus has God's Word within Him also. The Word is Spirit. Jesus is the Word yes, but it has another meaning. We can not forget this.

Yes exactly. But the image is not the One casting the image but is instead the reflection. You just agreed with me. So, yes it's true no one has seen God, the Father! But, they saw the Son. Anytime God was visible in the Old Testament or in the Person of Jesus, it was the Son of God! The SON. Not the Father. TWO. But there is more to this...WHO was Melchizedek? He represented the old covenant. He was Gods Word materialized. The KING OF PEACE. THE KING OF JERUSALEM. He was the Word manifested in the flesh. But where did He go? He turned back into His true form (Spirit) and went back to Gods side.

Melchizedek has no beginning and no end remember? And God was still in heaven when Melchizedek prayed to Him. So here is another example of TWO INDIVIDUALS coming from the ONE source. From God. ONE GOD. He wasn't God the individual, but a manifestation of Gods living inner Word turned into flesh. An example of Jesus. But Jesus was MADE flesh, and that Word was PUT inside of Him to become ONE with Him. That WORD came down from heaven. Not Jesus Himself, but that Word/Spirit. And it became ONE with Jesus. You become ONE with something, and no matter if you were born 1 million years LATER, as soon as you become ONE, then that million year old Word was ALWAYS YOU all along. Understand become one, and there is your answer. Become one with what? The Word of God. And where did that Word come from? From OUT of God, from WITHIN God.

Jesus can be called the Father now also. For He is the express image, the Son, the Word. And the Word always speaks for the Father with exactly the same authority. It doesn't mean He is actually the "person" the Father, but in all ways, reflects the Father. Speak to an agent of the FBI, does it mean you spoke to the FBI? But the FBI is an institution? How do you speak to an institution which is but laws and regulations on paper given authority by the government..a concept. No, Instead you spoke to a representative of the FBI, but it is termed as speaking to the FBI. But it is not accurate to say, I spoke to the FBI..which people always say. So same concept. Speak to Jesus, you speak to the Father THROUGH Jesus. He is the mediator. We are not worthy to have direct access to God in this manner. This is why He has His Son, the door to the Father. The ONLY door to the Father. So in all regards, He is the Father, just not the "person" Father, but His Son who comes in His Fathers Name.

This is something that takes a while to understand and to fathom, but once you get it you really "get it!" it makes sense and it will bring a host of passages to light for you.

Psalm 119:18
גַּל־עֵינַ֥י וְאַבִּ֑יטָה נִ֝פְלָאֹ֗ות מִתֹּורָתֶֽךָ
gal-'einai v'abitah nifla'ot mitoratekha
Open my eyes that I may see terrific wonders from your torah [law, instructions]

Amen, let that prayer be true for all of us.

Blessings.

I'd just like you to ponder this: scripture declares that only with the arrival of Jesus were all the mysteries that were kept hidden from men since the foundation of the world, have been revealed through Jesus. The Torah was before Jesus. So it too does not know or understand the workings of things revealed by Jesus. So it can not help us understand the mystery of the Word WITHOUT the NT.. It is impossible. For only the NT reveals the mysteries. Torah was BEFORE the NT, not after. And God said even the prophets of old desired to know these things Jesus revealed...but NEVER got to see (understand/hear/learn) them, but only got glimpses from afar. A glimpse is something small..not enough to understand what the NT explains. So the Torah can not reveal anything useful concerning Jesus im afraid. That is explained in the NT only...the Word in detail that is.

regards
Devolution.

Devolution · Jun 1, 2011

I'd just like you to ponder this: scripture declares that only with the arrival of Jesus were all the mysteries that were kept hidden from men since the foundation of the world, have been revealed through Jesus. The Torah was before Jesus. So it too does not know or understand the workings of things revealed by Jesus. So it can not help us understand the mystery of the Word WITHOUT the NT.. It is impossible. For only the NT reveals the mysteries. Torah was BEFORE the NT, not after. And God said even the prophets of old desired to know these things Jesus revealed...but NEVER got to see (understand/hear/learn) them, but only got glimpses from afar. A glimpse is something small..not enough to understand what the NT explains.

That came out wrong...The OT joined with the NT gives us the whole picture. We need both. What i meant is, there is nothing in the OT that has the deeper explanations concerning the Word that overrides the NT. Just more insight is all. We need both. But the answers are in the NT backed by the OT.

Cheers.

livingbygrace · Jun 1, 2011

WeStand said:

Hi We Stand

If you asked a college professor to do a simple mathmatical equation he would most likely not be that impressed. He would want something to stretch his mind, so he could make full use of his academic expertise.
He may even try and develop a new formula, one far more complicated, rather than accept the simplicity of what is available, believing that a new formula may be the key to unlocking much more besides what is staring him in the face.
The odds are he will inevitably make many mistakes along the way, and come to many wrong conclusions as he strives in his effort to delve deeper into the answers he is searching for.

Of course the mathmatician cannot cobble something together and say it works if it does not, he does n ot have that luxury, but scholars and theologians are different. They have the luxury of reading and accepting what they want to and by human brilliance, striving and interpretation come up with answers that leave the plainest of statements on the subject far behind, or they may do an exegesis of them that totally contradicts what is written. So they can ignore the simple truth on the altar of striving in their own effort to ever understand greater truths of what is written, and they believe that by hard work and human effort they have reached a far deeper and truer understanding of what is written

But Christianity can never be understood this way, it is to their loss to follow such a route.

We have not received the spirit of the world but the spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words
1 Cor 2:12&13

Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith

James 2:5

Why would this be?

I will destroy the wisdom of the wise
The intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate
Where is the wise man?
Where is the scholar?
Where is the philosopher of this age?
Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?
For since in the wisdom of God, the world through its wisdom did not know him
God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached
To save those who believe
1 Cor 1:19-21

Give me a person who IS SINCERE IN THEIR WORDS FROM THE HEART AND SPEAKING WITH TRUE HUMILITY AND HONESTY, who says
By the grace of God I know what I know because the Holy Spirit revealed it to me because I know God loves me'

rather than a person who says

'I have striven and because I have studied hard I have the understanding I do, with great effort on my part to know what I know.

The first disciples were known as 'The Way' they lived their lives in simple faith and a total reliance on the Holy Spirit, I am positive that such a Christianity would offend many in their hearts today, even some on CC !

livingbygrace · Jun 1, 2011

Devolution said:

Absolutely

In reading this then you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, which was not made known to men in other generations as it has now been revealed by the spirit to God's holy Apostles and prophets
Eph 3:4&5

AnandaHya · Jun 1, 2011

livingbygrace said:

Galatians 1:6-9 (New King James Version)

6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

2 Peter 1:2-8 (New King James Version)

2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Fruitful Growth in the Faith

5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

(notice how it says HIS divine power and not THEIR divine power?
see theses parallels: "in the knowledge of God" and "in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ"?)

1 Timothy 4

1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy,.... 10 For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach,[a] because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe. 11 These things command and teach.

Philippians 3:18-21 (New King James Version)

18 For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19 whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame—who set their mind on earthly things. 20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself.

Jesus is the SAVIOR OF ALL MEN. the Living God is Savior of all men. IS not ARE. Singular not plural.
Jesus is the living God, Savior of all men.

It did not take years of study to learn this, but simple prayer. ask C4TWG. He is 15 and even he knows JESUS IS GOD, LORD of LORD, King of Kings, Savior, Redeemer, the Alpha and the Omega

Deuteronomy 10:17
For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality nor takes a bribe.

don't try and bribe God with your false humility and abhorance for scholarship for GOD gives Knowledge and wisdom.

I will pray that God touches your hearts and open your eyes for discernment. this conversation has become futile for no one listens. I think at this point our lowly human efforts have failed to convince you that the BIBLE tells us that Jesus is GOD and the Holy Spirit testifies that same. Now only God will be able to change your minds or allow your hearts to continue to be harden to the words of Truth spoken in the Bible.

You ask where does the Bible say it. You have been shown.

then you say these scholars quote Bible verses and don't know what they say. a child speaks to you the simple truth.

then you say no one but me and those who agree with me are lead by the Holy spirit, if only they would see it my way.

I don't wish to see it your way, I don't wish for you to see it my way. I would rather we both see it God's way.

the deity of Christ is it a salvation issue?

it sounds more a distraction and a tactic to keep people out of fellowship of the church.

what is the point of teaching that Jesus is ONLY the SON of God and NOT God Himself? why would you teach such a thing? So that people can learn they too can be like Jesus, little demigods? So that Jesus is no longer made as special? So polytheism and doubts can be allowed to be planted in new believers?

it just saddens me that you do not see the dangers of your own teachings. I thank God that He will guide and lead those who He has chosen into the truth and no matter what lies they hear spoken or read they will rely on GOD and not MEN.

I agree it would be a loss to Christianity to follow your words and your advice and reasoning, a lose because they heard the Word of God and chose the world and its teachings instead. Do you not know your beliefs are not new or different from many Hindus I've spoken too? Hinduism like Judaism had a face lift after Jesus made His appearance, couldn't use the same lies to deceive the people. what they teach sounds like your words, just a few changes and you have the concept of Atman as the Holy Spirit in a nutshell.

Red33 · Jun 1, 2011

I hear this all the time, 'Give me a person that is so-n-so ...', GIVE ME A ROYAL BREAK!

God has said this. 'WHO SHALL GO FOR US'. God is no respecter of persons because His word is His gospel and it's a 'Whosoever will', and our response is, 'HEAR AM I SEND ME'. God is greater than any man's heart and can equip those who are available by faith no matter where they are at in terms of their maturity. The emphasis is upon God's ability through grace to do a work in the heart of a man and to be able to turn that man's heart unto Himself. We can trust God that when we respond by faith to His call that He will bring it to past no matter who condemns us, even if it is our own heart.

livingbygrace · Jun 1, 2011

AnandaHya said:

I would say Anandya, at least be grateful that I am not judging you as having false humility, trying to bribe God and much else besides. I will leave you to make such remarks as you are. I can only assume from the much scripture you quote you believe you are acting in a loving way, I find it hard to be convinced of that, but will leave it there

AnandaHya · Jun 1, 2011

I am humble before God and bow to no man, angel or created entity. I fear no one or nothing EXCEPT the Wrath of the Lord.
Is it loving to see someone walk the path towards Hell and not warn them?

Proverbs 24:20-22 (New King James Version)

20 For there will be no prospect for the evil man;
The lamp of the wicked will be put out.
21 My son, fear the LORD and the king;
Do not associate with those given to change;
22 For their calamity will rise suddenly,
And who knows the ruin those two can bring?

livingbygrace · Jun 1, 2011

AnandaHya said:

Is it loving to see someone walk the path towards Hell and not warn them?

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It depends what is driving our heart I would say

If we out of love wanted to warn them with a sincere heart we obviously would not be rude or insulting or judgemental towards them, for we would obviously know the person would then take no notice of what we were saying
In those circumstances I would say we are definately not being driven by love, but something else.

And also if the person we are disagreeing with can rely on ample scripture to back up what they are saying and believe, and then we in turn are rude or offensive or judgemental to them, I believe we need to go away and reflect on whether we are being led by pure motives or not

AnandaHya · Jun 1, 2011

yes God is always pleasant and polite when He tells people they are going to Hell. Lets just look at the Bible and see:

Matthew 15
7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:
8 ‘ These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And[e]honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’”[f]

10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand: 11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”
12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”
13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. 14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”

I believing that telling people Jesus is NOT God a false witness. However you want to cut it, that belief allows the door to be open to worshipping False angels and manifestations claiming to be Jesus.

livingbygrace · Jun 1, 2011

WeStand said:

We Stand

Thank you for such gracious words, but the verses quoted were used by a woman on another website, where people were being attacked for not believing Christ was God Himself. I was very grateful to her for placing them before me and others as well

She is one of the most Godly people I have ever had the privelege of having conversation with on Christian chat sites, and was a great help and encouragement to me.

She was adamant that it is the spirit that leads us into truth. Some peoplesay those words but in their heart do not mean them, I knew she meant them, she knew too much truth not to

livingbygrace · Jun 1, 2011

AnandaHya;455818 I believing that telling people Jesus is NOT God a false witness. However you want to cut it said:

To be honest Anandya I am quite confused as to where exactly you stand on this issue. Two or three weeks ago you plainly stated that anyone who believes simply that Christ is the son of God is saved, even if they do not accept Christ as God Himself

Your statements of late seem to be becoming more extreme, and I don't quite see how you can reconcile your words of a couple of weekls ago with what you are now stating

Could you tell me where you stand today please

If a person believes Christ is the son of God but not God Himself do you believe that on that basis of belief in Christ/the person of who he is, they are saved or not saved?

You now seem to be accusing me of hypocrisy and a Phariseeical attitude. I doubt in your heart therefore you can be lovingly trying to show me what you perceive to be the error of my ways

Christ saw the heart and had the authority to make those judgements, do you?

zone · Jun 1, 2011

livingbygrace said:

let's see.......i absolutely love EVERYTHING about FOOD.
i love growing it, harvesting it, handling it, preserving it, preparing it, serving it, sharing it, feasting with family and friends.

i give food i have prepared as gifts during holidays, lovingly prepared food becomes the centerpiece of my communal and tribal and family gatherings.

i love it so much, it is my life's passion. i surround myself with all the good things that are edible and that enhance meals. i never resent the preparation of meals, i love everything about food. my cupboards are filled with spices and condiments and of course good dishes and tableware make everything so much better.

i have a huge collection of cutlery and utensils, pots, pans, jars, canisters and tools.

flowers and linens make the enjoyment of food greater also. pure water and good wine is a part of a good meal, so i learn about wines that compliment good food.

my loved ones know my love for food, and most often gifts they give to me are about food and all things related to wonderful meals.

anyone who comes to my home is greeted by wonderful aromas and they always know there will be coffees and teas and baked goods, and a meal already underway.

because i love to cook and all things about food, much of my time is spent with others who love food and cooking as much as i do: we talk about it a lot, share recipies and exchange ideas. we meet in the farmer's markets, i know my local grocers and farmers. things can get pretty loud in the markets, and a busy kitchen is hot, steamy and there's a lot of noise - but something is happening...something is being prepared.

some of us love and specialize in indian cuisine, others italian. some of us prefer vegetarian meals. there are certainly some foods i do not personally enjoy, and i may even have allergies to some.

i may not, in the end, be a professional chef, and perhaps some of my recipies are not perfect, and many meals will not turn out the way i had hoped.

i will burn some things, break some dishes, discover some of my condiments have reached their expiration date. my table linens may be threadbare in places, and one evening i may not have been able to afford a floral centerpience. perhaps i forgot candles on that special night.

BUT I LOVE EVERYTHING related to cooking and meals and the sharing of them.

~

perhaps someone doesn't like what i have prepared that day. perhaps they won't come to my afternoon barbeque because they simply don't like me as a person.

but is there any reason someone who does not share the same love for everything related to a life that involves the preparation and sharing of food to reject every chef in the world? to ridicule the cook's passion for what they love to do?

seems like those people, though they may not go hungry, are missing out on some sweet and savory things in life.

Red33 · Jun 1, 2011

Pure motives are determined by meekness and not some kind of sincerity that can be observed by others through an outward display that involves the countenance or a few morally good decisions. Meekness is agreeing with God and His word against yourself. Moses was the meekest man on the earth because he agreed with God against himself and the people he lead out of Eqypt. He only took the people's side when God was going to destroy them in the wilderness and God partially repented.

God is not the least bit interested in well intentioned people but He will never despise a humble and contrite heart (Ps 51:17) that is meek and lowly and not one that is exercise in a false humility for self oriented reasons (Col 2:18-23). Jesus said, 'Take my yoke upon you and learn of me for I am meek and lowly in heart' (Mt 11:29).

Purity comes from the incorruptible seed of every word of God (Prov 30:5, 1Pt 1:22,23). Thy word is very pure, therefore thy servant loveth it (Ps 119:140). The believer that has pureness of heart has been cleansed by the word (Jn 15:3) and grace is in his lips (Prov 22:11).

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